Its of Faith so to be of Grace

[BloodBought 1953]

Lets be just a bit clearer so as none falls for the same kind of unbelief i once had . its true i once had that kind of belief
that kind of dead faith . True belief , true faith comes from GOD , so as no man can boast .
But WHEN GOD gives us faith , ITS IN THE JESUS and not in another jesus that many men preach .
WE have the LOVE that comes FROM GOD upon our hearts which has been shed by the HOLY GHOST .
And that kind of love is not the love that many preachers preach on today . ITS the LOVE
of GOD that loves what GOD calls good and abhors the evils that HE calls evil .
Belief and obediance are not seperate . They are one . And as i said the LOVE that comes from GOD
changes the heart and to do the things HE has said are not a burden , BUT JOYOUS .
SIN is deadly and a monster and it can harden a heart . Lusts can choke the word . PRAISE GOD HE KNOWS THIS
and thus Has given us the SPIRIT . My advice is , HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh .

Never forget that Love is the Engine that drives Obedience.....not the fear of dropping into Hell every time we “ Stumble” as James said.....

 

[amigo de christo]

Never forget that Love is the Engine that drives Obedience.....not the fear of dropping into Hell every time we “ Stumble” as James said.....

Of course its the love that comes from GOD . But that love would also remind us of the GOODNESS OF GOD
and the SEVERITY OF GOD . Just like paul and other apostels did .
Every warning is for OUR GOOD , JUST as knowing and holding to the GOODNESS OF GOD , WHICH IS JESUS . YEAH ITS JESUS
TIS the GOSPEL , is GOOD FOR OUR SOULS . WE have to learn that every GOD inspired WORD whether grave and warning
or PROMISE IS GOOD FOR OUR SOUL . And to remind that one must be a hearer and a doer , IS GOOD for us .
To remind folks to cease the SIN , IS GOOD . To warn and be serious and grave IS GOOD. Just as every reminder
of the HOPE we have in Christ IS GOOD . TO remind that we must continue to end IS GOOD
to REMIND that must CLING TO JESUS IS GOOD . EVERY WORD , EVERY reminder Is for our good . TAKE ALL OF IT and EMBRACE
IT and REMEMBER , boast not in ourselves , BUT ONLY IN GOD .

 

[Daniel Veler]

There's no argument there.
That doesn't mean God made you believe, or that he does your believing for you.
It means he cleared the way and gave you the ability to believe, if you want to.

"29For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him" Philippians 1:29

"...and how He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles." Acts of the Apostles 14:27​

Where does one get faith? Is it not a gift from the Father through his Holy Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Where does one get faith? Is it not a gift from the Father through his Holy Spirit.

Faith - the ability to know something you can't see really is true - comes via the testimony of the Holy Spirit. It is a gracious gift. Some people retain the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their heart and are saved. Most reject it and are lost.

6 ...it is the Spirit who testifies...
9 ...this is the testimony that God has given about His Son.
10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him; whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about His Son." 1 John 5:6-10​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Thats exactly what it means, God makes or causes some to believe by Grace., He gives them Faith

He doesn't cause them to believe. He gives them the opportunity to believe.
He gives all men the opportunity to believe (Acts of the Apostles 17:31 *).
Most choose not to (1 John 5:6-10).

*The word 'proof' or 'assurance' in the Acts citation is the word 'faith'. "...He has given faith to all men..." The problem is most men choose to reject the faith God gives them to know the gospel is true.

 

[brightfame52]

It was said of Lydia, the seller of purple.....” God opened her heart to receive the Gospel”......why would it be different for anybody else....

Thats right, its not different, Lydia believed because of Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

He doesn't cause them to believe. He gives them the opportunity to believe.
He gives all men the opportunity to believe (Acts of the Apostles 17:31 *).
Most choose not to (1 John 5:6-10).

*The word 'proof' or 'assurance' in the Acts citation is the word 'faith'. "...He has given faith to all men..." The problem is most men choose to reject the faith God gives them to know the gospel is true.

Sure He causes it[Faith], if not men would not believe. Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sure He causes it[Faith], if not men would not believe. Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Who's arguing that the Spirit doesn't cause us to obey God?
You get the Spirit by choosing to believe the gospel. It's your choice.
All men are given the faith to be able to believe the gospel. Because faith comes by hearing the word of God. But most choose to reject the faith to believe and instead prefer to stay in the love of their sin. And so they thrust the word of God, and the faith that comes with that word, behind them. Casting it away to their own destruction.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Thats right, its not different, Lydia believed because of Grace.

But this grace has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11), but most choose to reject it.

I think you have a distorted understanding of what grace is.
What makes justification/salvation by grace is that it is through the grace of faith, not through works. God forgives man's sin in order to save him. We receive that forgiveness by believing in it through the gift of faith God has provided. That's the grace of salvation. Grace doesn't mean being put on autopilot so that man does absolutely nothing, not even the believing, to be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

But this grace has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11), but most choose to reject it.

I think you have a distorted understanding of what grace is.
What makes justification/salvation by grace is that it is through the grace of faith, not through works. God forgives man's sin in order to save him. We receive that forgiveness by believing in it through the gift of faith God has provided. That's the grace of salvation. Grace doesn't mean being put on autopilot so that man does absolutely nothing, not even the believing, to be saved.

That verse is speaking about the Elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

And that Grace gave them Faith to believe.

 

[brightfame52]

Who's arguing that the Spirit doesn't cause us to obey God?
You get the Spirit by choosing to believe the gospel. It's your choice.
All men are given the faith to be able to believe the gospel. Because faith comes by hearing the word of God. But most choose to reject the faith to believe and instead prefer to stay in the love of their sin. And so they thrust the word of God, and the faith that comes with that word, behind them. Casting it away to their own destruction.

The Spirit causes faith, to believe. In fact Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 and Ezk 36:27 proves it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...Grace gave them Faith to believe.

Yes, it is a gracious, unmerited act of kindness toward men for God to give them the ability to know the gospel really is true. That's called 'faith'. It's the faith a person needs to then be able to believe and trust in what they now are able to see, by faith, really is true. But most people don't do that. Instead they reject God's testimony to them that the gospel is true and choose instead to cast the word of faith away from themselves and live in their sin.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect

Of course, everyone who is elected (chosen) has faith. Because everyone who is elected (chosen) is elected on the basis of the faith God has given them to believe the gospel.

But it sounds like you have it backwards and are saying God elects (chooses) a person then gives them the faith to believe. But the Bible is very clear that God gives faith - the assurance - to all men that the gospel really is true, whether they choose to retain that faith, or don't retain it and decide not to trust in it. Only those who choose to believe in what God has shown them to be true are chosen. A person is elected on the basis of whether or not they believe in what God has shown them really is true about the gospel. You're saying God choses a person then gives them faith.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Spirit causes faith, to believe.

There's no question about that. Only through the gracious gift of faith (the ability to know something you can't see is true) can a person then decide to believe and trust in what God has shown them is true.

Look at the phrase that you yourself used - "faith, to believe".
Faith is given so that a person can then 'believe in' that which they now know to be true.
Lot's of people are given the faith to know the gospel really is true. That comes through the word of the gospel.
But just knowing the gospel is true is not enough. You have to retain that faith in believing/trusting. Thus the phrase 'faith to believe'.
Faith is given so that we might then retain that faith in believing. But most choose not to retain the message of faith and go back to their lives of sin and are lost.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

To repent means to change your mind......have you gone from Unbelief to Belief? If so, you have done all of the “ repenting” you need to doin order to be Saved....

Passages like Rom. 12:1-2 and Jas. 2:14-26 shows why your definition of repenting is definitely wrong. Belief in Christ has to be supported by actively applying what is in the Bible and following His example, otherwise the person only has a dead, worthless faith with no substance.

 

[Kermos]

Provided that we are clear that faith comes by hearing the Gospel (which is the work of God) and the power of the Holy Spirit in convicting and convincing when the Gospel is preached (which is also a work of God). But what Christ really meant is that there is no work that anyone can do for salvation. Faith is NOT a work and work is NOT faith. That was His response to the question posed by the Jews.

Jesus removed faith/belief from being a work of man - the people brought up the works of man with “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” (John 6:28).

The elimination of a work of man is clearly evident when Jesus answers “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

Behold, "that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29) is applied by Lord Jesus as "this is the work of God" (John 6:29).

See, "that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29) represents faith/belief of a person in Jesus.

Therefore, faith/belief of a person in Jesus is the work of God (John 6:29), so righteous faith/belief is a work - a work of God.

When you wrote "But what Christ really meant", then you claim some kind of superiority over Christ because you claim "Faith is NOT a work and work is NOT faith", yet the Christ says "the work of God" "is" "that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

 

[brightfame52]

It is of Faith so that it it will be of Grace ! Also Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is given by Grace, and it sees that none of Salvation by Grace was conditioned on man, on what a man does. This Faith given only to Gods Elect, the Election of Grace believes in only what God did to save them

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, it is a gracious, unmerited act of kindness toward men for God to give them the ability to know the gospel really is true. That's called 'faith'. It's the faith a person needs to then be able to believe and trust in what they now are able to see, by faith, really is true. But most people don't do that. Instead they reject God's testimony to them that the gospel is true and choose instead to cast the word of faith away from themselves and live in their sin.

You talking about people who God didnt give Faith. If a person doesnt believe the Gospel, God never gave them Faith.

 

[brightfame52]

Of course, everyone who is elected (chosen) has faith. Because everyone who is elected (chosen) is elected on the basis of the faith God has given them to believe the gospel.

But it sounds like you have it backwards and are saying God elects (chooses) a person then gives them the faith to believe. But the Bible is very clear that God gives faith - the assurance - to all men that the gospel really is true, whether they choose to retain that faith, or don't retain it and decide not to trust in it. Only those who choose to believe in what God has shown them to be true are chosen. A person is elected on the basis of whether or not they believe in what God has shown them really is true about the gospel. You're saying God choses a person then gives them faith.

False teaching. Only Gods Elect are Chosen and given Faith.

 

[brightfame52]

There's no question about that. Only through the gracious gift of faith (the ability to know something you can't see is true) can a person then decide to believe and trust in what God has shown them is true.

Look at the phrase that you yourself used - "faith, to believe".
Faith is given so that a person can then 'believe in' that which they now know to be true.
Lot's of people are given the faith to know the gospel really is true. That comes through the word of the gospel.
But just knowing the gospel is true is not enough. You have to retain that faith in believing/trusting. Thus the phrase 'faith to believe'.
Faith is given so that we might then retain that faith in believing. But most choose not to retain the message of faith and go back to their lives of sin and are lost.

You dont get it, The Spirit causes faith, to believe.