Its of Faith so to be of Grace

[Ferris Bueller]

You talking about people who God didnt give Faith. If a person doesnt believe the Gospel, God never gave them Faith.

That's not what the Bible says:

" 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”" Acts 17:31
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The word 'proof' in the verse is literally the word 'faith' (pistis). Faith is simply the supernatural ability to know something is true that you can't see (Hebrews 11:1). God gives this ability to see the unseen, this proof, to all men through the testimony of the Holy Spirit (1 John 5:10). He does that so they can know the gospel really is true and so they can make an informed decision about whether or not they want to embrace it and believe in it and be saved, or reject it. Most choose to reject it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You dont get it, The Spirit causes faith, to believe.

That's what I said. It is through the supernatural ability to see the unseen (a.k.a. faith) given to all man that he is then able to believe what he has seen, embracing it, and so be saved, or reject what he has seen, casting it away, and so be lost. Faith is indeed the cause of the belief that those who choose to believe have.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

False teaching. Only Gods Elect are Chosen and given Faith.

I'm not disagreeing with that.
Of course people who are chosen (elected) have been given faith.
It is upon that very faith that they received that a person is elected!

Chosen people have faith. That's why they were chosen!

 

[brightfame52]

That's not what the Bible says:

" 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”" Acts 17:31
​

The word 'proof' in the verse is literally the word 'faith' (pistis). Faith is simply the supernatural ability to know something is true that you can't see (Hebrews 11:1). God gives this ability to see the unseen, this proof, to all men through the testimony of the Holy Spirit (1 John 5:10). He does that so they can know the gospel really is true and so they can make an informed decision about whether or not they want to embrace it and believe in it and be saved, or reject it. Most choose to reject it.

If God gives a person Faith, then that results in their believing.

 

[brightfame52]

That's what I said. It is through the supernatural ability to see the unseen (a.k.a. faith) given to all man that he is then able to believe what he has seen, embracing it, and so be saved, or reject what he has seen, casting it away, and so be lost. Faith is indeed the cause of the belief that those who choose to believe have.

Then if the Spirit causes faith/belief to occur, then what's your problem ? You dont make much sense !

 

[brightfame52]

I'm not disagreeing with that.
Of course people who are chosen (elected) have been given faith.
It is upon that very faith that they received that a person is elected!

Chosen people have faith. That's why they were chosen!

False teaching. Faith is given to them[in time] that were chosen before the foundation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If God gives a person Faith, then that results in their believing.

Believing is when you retain the faith that God gives.
Faith is simply knowing something is true that you can't see (Hebrews 11:1).
That doesn't save anybody.
Retaining that faith in believing/trusting does.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Then if the Spirit causes faith/belief to occur, then what's your problem ? You dont make much sense !

The Spirit causes faith. And he does that through the gospel message. (Faith comes through the hearing of the word.)
Everybody who hears the message of faith is being shown that the gospel really is true. Because with that message comes the conviction and the proof that it is true.
From there a person decides whether or not they're going to retain that faith and place their trust, their believing, in the gospel.
Most choose to reject the conviction, the faith, that God has provided to know the gospel is true and so choose not to believe and trust in that which God has shown them to be true. They reject the gift of faith and are lost.

 

[theefaith]

Everything else follows saving faith, but it is faith which justifies the sinner and it is faith which results in imputed righteousness. Obviously, this transcends humanistic reasoning.

Faith and baptism
Ez 36:25-27
Mk 16:16
Acts 2:38-39
Acts 8:36-38
1 peter 3:20-21

How did we die with Christ?
Put on Christ?
Sealed in Christ?

baptism baptism baptism!!!

 

[theefaith]

So all we are required to de is believe?

Faith alone! That means faith alone! Period!
No sacraments ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21
No obedience of faith rom 16:26
No repentance Lk 3:3
No suffering Mk 8:34 Mk 10:21 Phil 1:29
No hope rom 8:24
No charity 1 cor 13:2 1 cor 13:13
No love of God duet. 6:5
Prayer matt 7:7
No grace Jn 1:16-17
No patience Heb 10:36
No nothing but faith alone!
Alone means alone!

Rom 8: 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13

And never “faith alone”!

Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?

Faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 and 13:13, Phil 1:29, James 2:24 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 oppose faith alone!

1 cor 13:2 “all faith” without charity avails nothing, nada!

“Faith alone” is heresy!
Hersey is treason against God!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?

...For justification. Get the argument right!

Righteousness is given from God to a person on the basis of their faith all by itself without work. Just as Abraham was made righteous apart from works. He did NOTHING except believe God to be made righteous in God's sight. And Paul said he is our example of we also are made righteous. This is the very point Catholics can't see. They are trapped in the Catholic paradigm of thinking.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“Faith alone” is heresy!
Hersey is treason against God!

First off, 'faith alone' is James' argument, not Paul's. It's a different argument than Paul's 'righteousness WITHOUT WORKS'. So let's get that straight right off the bat.

'Righteousness without works' is hardly heresy. It's spelled out right in the pages of our Bibles. You just don't understand it. You can't see anything outside of the Catholic indoctrination. You insist on squeezing everything you read into the Catholic paradigm of works righteousness theology.

 

[theefaith]

...For justification. Get the argument right!

Righteousness is given from God to a person on the basis of their faith all by itself without work. Just as Abraham was made righteous apart from works. He did NOTHING except believe God to be made righteous in God's sight. And Paul said he is our example of we also are made righteous. This is the very point Catholics can't see. They are trapped in the Catholic paradigm of thinking.

you’re a boxed Christian

you have little box for everything

 

[theefaith]

That way you don’t actually have to be righteous and holy and conform by the grace of God to the will of God!

 

[theefaith]

First off, 'faith alone' is James' argument, not Paul's. It's a different argument than Paul's 'righteousness WITHOUT WORKS'. So let's get that straight right off the bat.

'Righteousness without works' is hardly heresy. It's spelled out right in the pages of our Bibles. You just don't understand it. You can't see anything outside of the Catholic indoctrination. You insist on squeezing everything you read into the Catholic paradigm of works righteousness theology.

the box you put James in, or the box you put Paul in or the box you put everything in

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Faith is given to them[in time] that were chosen before the foundation.

"...to be holy and blameless in His presence." Ephesians 1:4

The purpose is what is determined ahead of time for the chosen, not who's going to be chosen (though God knows already in his omniscience who will believe and so be among the chosen).

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That way you don’t actually have to be righteous and holy and conform by the grace of God to the will of God!

The righteous will be conformed to the will of God because they have been made righteous through their faith. Righteous people grow up into righteous lives of obedience to God.

But Catholics say you will be made righteous from being conformed to the will of God. That is quite literally the works gospel Paul warned us about.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you’re a boxed Christian

you have little box for everything

You could just end this right now by telling us what Abraham did, besides believing God's promise concerning a son who would inherit the blessing, in order to receive the righteousness of God. He is, after all, according to Paul, our example of how we also are made righteous by believing God. So tell us what he did besides his believing to be made righteous so that we can do that too in order to be made righteous before God.

 

[theefaith]

"...to be holy and blameless in His presence." Ephesians 1:4

The purpose is what is determined ahead of time for the chosen, not who's going to be chosen (though God knows already in his omniscience who will believe and so be among the chosen).

but you’re not blameless or righteous only imputed

 

[theefaith]

The righteous will be conformed to the will of God because they have been made righteous through their faith. Righteous people grow up into righteous lives of obedience to God.

But Catholics say you will be made righteous from being conformed to the will of God. That is quite literally the works gospel Paul warned us about.

you’re false gospel of faith apart from works only has imputed not real righteous