Jesus is the Son of his God

[David in NJ]

Post #340 isn’t false advertising. The quote from NIDNTT (a trinitarian source) is the scriptural documentation of who the one God is in scripture.

Post 379 UPdated

 

[Matthias]

Post 379 UPdated

Scripture doesn’t need updating. NIDNTT is correct.

 

[David in NJ]

Post #340 isn’t false advertising. The quote from NIDNTT (a trinitarian source) is the documentation of who the one God is in scripture.

Sure it is = it's in english with incorrect words being substituted

Echad Elohim = if we were to correctly translate this to english it would be "as one gods"

Since we cannot fully grasp this, JESUS came and demostrated the FATHER the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT to us.

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture doesn’t need updating. NIDNTT is correct.

People who misinterpret Scripture need UPdating = see the UPdate in the Gospel and in Post 383

 

[Matthias]

Sure it is = it's in english with incorrect words being substituted

The trinitarian source doesn’t do that.

Echad Elohim = if we were to correctly translate this to english it would be "as one gods"

That’s not true. English translations of the Hebrew are correct.

Since we cannot fully grasp this, JESUS came and demostrated the FATHER the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT to us.

 

[David in NJ]

The trinitarian source doesn’t do that.



That’s not true. English translations of the Hebrew are correct.

Everyone must UPdate to the words of MESSIAH

#1 - JESUS said no one has seen or heard the FATHER but Himself = this means Moses saw and heard the pre-incarnate JESUS

#2 - JESUS says "If you have seen me, you have seen the FATHER" = this means JESUS is equal to His FATHER since HE came from His FATHER

#3 - JESUS says "If you love Him, HE will pray to the FATHER so that we can receive the HOLY SPIRIT who also is from His FATHER

Only a man can have a God and since the WORD became flesh, JESUS called His FATHER = God = Philippians 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Matthias]

Everyone must UPdate to the words of MESSIAH

#1 - JESUS said no one has seen or heard the FATHER but Himself = this means Moses saw and heard the pre-incarnate JESUS

#2 - JESUS says "If you have seen me, you have seen the FATHER" = this means JESUS is equal to His FATHER since HE came from His FATHER

#3 - JESUS says "If you love Him, HE will pray to the FATHER so that we can receive the HOLY SPIRIT who also is from His FATHER

Only a man can have a God and since the WORD became flesh, JESUS called His FATHER = God = Philippians 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Telling people that the correct English translation of the Hebrew phrase echad elohim is “as one gods” is appalling. All English language Bibles translate the phrase correctly. The echad elohim of Israel is the “one God” of Israel.

The Messiah isn’t pointing anyone to the “gods of Israel”. The Messiah is pointing people to his God and Father, the God of Israel.

 

[David in NJ]

Telling people that the correct English translation of the Hebrew phrase echad elohim is “as one gods” is appalling. All English language Bibles translate the phrase correctly. The echad elohim of Israel is the “one God” of Israel.

JESUS has now become appalling to you???

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is Eternal Life, that they may Know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

How many Persons of ELOHIM are spoken of here by the LORD???

 

[Matthias]

JESUS ha snow become appalling to you???

No. The echad elohim of Israel / the one God of Israel is the Messiah’s God. See again NIDNTT.

What you said about the Hebrew phrase is what appalls me.

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is Eternal Life, that they may Know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

How many Persons of ELOHIM are spoken of here by the LORD???

 

[David in NJ]

No. The echad elohim of Israel / the one God of Israel is the Messiah’s God. See again NIDNTT.

What you said about the Hebrew phrase is what appalls me.

What you said about the Hebrew phrase is what appalls me.

Then you stand with these people who also were deeply "appalled" by the UPdate of Scripture by JESUS

John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "We do not stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make yourself God."

Drop the "appalling" and UPdate to the LORD my brother.

 

[Matthias]

Then you stand with these people who also were deeply "appalled" by the UPdate of Scripture by JESUS

No. I stand against them.

John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "We do not stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make yourself God."

Drop the "appalling" and UPdate to the LORD my brother.

Misrepresenting what the Hebrew phrase is when properly translated into English - which is what you have done - doesn’t help your case. It helps mine.

The NIDNTT quote I posted is correct. I will use the trinitarian source against you.

 

[David in NJ]

Misrepresenting what the Hebrew phrase is when properly translated into English - which is what you have done - doesn’t help your case. It helps mine.

John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "We do not stone You/APPALLING for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because
You, being a man, make yourself God."

i correctly understand by the HOLY SPIRIT = "IAM that IAM"

Echad ELOHIM(Plural) = My Name FOREVER
1 - ELohenu(Plural) Avraham/Father
2 - ELohenu(Plural) Yitzach/Son/Promised SEED
3 - ELohenu(Plural) Yakov/Holy Spirit

THREE Person Elohim = Echad Name

 

[Matthias]

John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "We do not stone You/APPALLING for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because
You, being a man, make yourself God."

That was the accusation made by his enemies. He corrected them. It is you who is standing with them.

i correctly understand by the HOLY SPIRIT = "IAM that IAM"

Echad ELOHIM(Plural) = My Name FOREVER
1- ELohenu(Plural) Avraham/Father
2 - ELohenu(Plural) Yitzach/Son/Promised SEED
3 - ELohenu(Plural) Yakov/Holy Spirit

Echad elohim isn’t a plural phrase. Every English language translation of the phrase renders it properly, correctly, as a singular phrase in the Bibles we have.

 

[David in NJ]

That was the accusation made by his enemies. He corrected them. It is you who is standing with them.



Echad elohim isn’t a plural phrase. Every English language translation of the phrase renders it properly, correctly, as a singular phrase in the Bibles we have.

If i were standing with them i would find it "APPALLING" that JESUS is Elohim with His FATHER

Ecahd Elohim is a Plural Phrase because of TRUTH = Genesis/Let Us,Our,Our(3x) and Exodus/Elohenu 3x Avraham/Yitzach/Yakov

Why do you find the 1WAY the 2TRUTH the 3LIFE "appalling"??? = 3x

Why do you find this "appalling"??? = the angels praising Elohim 3x = 1HOLY 2HOLY 3HOLY = 1LORD 2GOD 3ALMIGHTY

You should be Rejoicing as the angels = 3x

 

[WalterandDebbie]

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Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[David in NJ]

Wednesday 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle 10-29-25, Cheshvan 6, 5786 38th. Day of Fall

The Spirit Of The Lord Is Upon Me

Wednesday 2-15-23 2nd. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 23, 5783 57th. Winter Day Luke 4 The Temptation Of Christ 1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat...

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Love, Walter and Debbie

Your site states: "the Origin of Lucifer and Logos/How the Logos became the Son of God"

You connected Lucifer to Logos/JESUS = you believe Lucifer is Logos???

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Your site states: "the Origin of Lucifer and Logos/How the Logos became the Son of God"

You connected Lucifer to Logos/JESUS = you believe Lucifer is Logos???

Well, Brother, here are some views about what you asked:
The Logos, often identified with Yeshua (Jesus), is considered eternal and without origin, as stated in John 1:1, which emphasizes that the Word was with God and was God. In Christian belief, Yeshua became the Son of God through his incarnation, fulfilling prophecies and establishing a new covenant, as seen in various Old and New Testament scriptures. christianforums.net mit.irr.org

The Origin of Lucifer and the Logos​

Understanding Lucifer​

• Lucifer's Creation: Lucifer, originally a beautiful angel, was created by God. His name means "lightbearer," reflecting his initial role as a favored being in heaven.
• Fall from Grace: Lucifer became prideful and sought to usurp God's authority, leading to his rebellion. This resulted in his transformation into Satan, the adversary.

The Logos Explained​

• Definition of the Logos: The term "Logos" refers to the divine Word or reason, often associated with Jesus (Yeshua) in Christian theology. According to John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
• Eternal Existence: The Logos is considered eternal, having no origin, existing alongside God the Father from the very beginning.

Transition to the Son of God​

• Incarnation: The Logos became flesh through the incarnation of Jesus. This is described in John 1:14, which states, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
• Role as Son of God: Jesus is recognized as the Son of God, fulfilling the role of the Messiah. His divine nature and human experience allow him to mediate between God and humanity.

Relevant Scriptures (Complete Jewish Bible)​

Scripture	Content
John 1:1	"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14	"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
Isaiah 14:12	"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"
Ezekiel 28:15	"You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you."

This framework illustrates the theological perspectives on Lucifer's origin and the Logos's transition to the Son of God, supported by key biblical texts.
christianforums.net Wikipedia

But what is your understanding?

Love, Walter

 

[David in NJ]

Well, Brother, here are some views about what you asked:
The Logos, often identified with Yeshua (Jesus), is considered eternal and without origin, as stated in John 1:1, which emphasizes that the Word was with God and was God. In Christian belief, Yeshua became the Son of God through his incarnation, fulfilling prophecies and establishing a new covenant, as seen in various Old and New Testament scriptures. christianforums.net mit.irr.org

The Origin of Lucifer and the Logos​

Understanding Lucifer​

• Lucifer's Creation: Lucifer, originally a beautiful angel, was created by God. His name means "lightbearer," reflecting his initial role as a favored being in heaven.
• Fall from Grace: Lucifer became prideful and sought to usurp God's authority, leading to his rebellion. This resulted in his transformation into Satan, the adversary.

The Logos Explained​

• Definition of the Logos: The term "Logos" refers to the divine Word or reason, often associated with Jesus (Yeshua) in Christian theology. According to John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
• Eternal Existence: The Logos is considered eternal, having no origin, existing alongside God the Father from the very beginning.

Transition to the Son of God​

• Incarnation: The Logos became flesh through the incarnation of Jesus. This is described in John 1:14, which states, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
• Role as Son of God: Jesus is recognized as the Son of God, fulfilling the role of the Messiah. His divine nature and human experience allow him to mediate between God and humanity.

Relevant Scriptures (Complete Jewish Bible)​

Scripture	Content
John 1:1	"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14	"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
Isaiah 14:12	"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"
Ezekiel 28:15	"You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you."

This framework illustrates the theological perspectives on Lucifer's origin and the Logos's transition to the Son of God, supported by key biblical texts.
christianforums.net Wikipedia
But what is your understanding?

Love, Walter

OK = GREAT = you had me concerned at first = thank you for the UPdate

i love UPdates - how about you???

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Your site states: "the Origin of Lucifer and Logos/How the Logos became the Son of God"

You connected Lucifer to Logos/JESUS = you believe Lucifer is Logos???

No, I do not believe Lucifer is The Logos.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

OK = GREAT = you had me concerned at first = thank you for the UPdate

i love UPdates - how about you???

Well, that depends on who is giving the information.