Jesus is the Son of his God

[David in NJ]

But what is your understanding?

Love, Walter

Please take a look at Post 379

Gospel = Logos = In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
Gospel = Word = And the Word became flesh = Immanuel = God with us
Gospel = God is Elohim and is PLURAL of THREE as Declared by the LORD/YAHWEH to Moses = Genesis and Exodus
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Lucifer = created Arch Angel that sinned and was renamed 'satan/adversary'

 

[David in NJ]

Well, that depends on who is giving the information.

If it is a Authentic UP-Date, then it is from the Holy Spirit of Truth and can be verified in the Holy Scriptures.

The Holy Spirit will never Speak anything that is contrary to "It is written"

Post 379 is a UPdate from the Holy Spirit that can be verified in the Holy Scriptures of Truth

 

[WalterandDebbie]

If it is a Authentic UP-Date, then it is from the Holy Spirit of Truth and can be verified in the Holy Scriptures.

The Holy Spirit will never Speak anything that is contrary to "It is written"

Post 379 is a UPdate from the Holy Spirit that can be verified in the Holy Scriptures of Truth

What Is Truth?

 

[David in NJ]

What Is Truth?

ELOHIM is THREE, Who are ECHAD = Genesis/Exodus/Gospel/Revelation

The WORD that became flesh = "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = "Thy Word is Truth"

The FATHER is TRUTH and The WORD/SON is Truth and the HOLY SPIRIT is TRUTH

All THREE Speak the One TRUTH for THEY are ECHAD = Gospel of John ch1 and ch14 and ch17

 

[WalterandDebbie]

ELOHIM is THREE, Who are ECHAD = Genesis/Exodus/Gospel/Revelation

The WORD that became flesh = "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = "Thy Word is Truth"

The FATHER is TRUTH and The WORD/SON is Truth and the HOLY SPIRIT is TRUTH

All THREE Speak the One TRUTH for THEY are ECHAD = Gospel of John ch1 and ch14 and ch17

Ephesians 4 KJV

 

[David in NJ]

Ephesians 4 KJV

Elohim is THREE = Ephesians 4:4

Ephesians 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

One Spirit = HOLY SPIRIT
One LORD = YHWH
One God = FATHER

These THREE are ECHAD SPIRIT = Romans 8:9

"Now you are not in flesh but in 1/Spirit, if indeed the 2/Spirit of God dwells in you;
but if anyone does not have the 3/Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him."

 

[Matthias]

If i were standing with them i would find it "APPALLING" that JESUS is Elohim with His FATHER

Ecahd Elohim is a Plural Phrase because of TRUTH = Genesis/Let Us,Our,Our(3x) and Exodus/Elohenu 3x Avraham/Yitzach/Yakov

Why do you find the 1WAY the 2TRUTH the 3LIFE "appalling"??? = 3x

Why do you find this "appalling"??? = the angels praising Elohim 3x = 1HOLY 2HOLY 3HOLY = 1LORD 2GOD 3ALMIGHTY

You should be Rejoicing as the angels = 3x

It’s not the Holy Spirit telling you that a singular phrase is a plural phrase. It’s not any Bible translation, in any language, which is telling you that a singular phrase is a plural phrase.

There is no passage of scripture in any language which uses the phrase “one gods”.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Elohim is THREE = Ephesians 4:4

Ephesians 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

One Spirit = HOLY SPIRIT
One LORD = YHWH
One God = FATHER

These THREE are ECHAD SPIRIT = Romans 8:9

"Now you are not in flesh but in 1/Spirit, if indeed the 2/Spirit of God dwells in you;
but if anyone does not have the 3/Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him."

The Diety Of Christ

John 1 KJV

Elohim, The Father is the Spirit, and His Son, (plural) is our understanding.

I can understand part of what you are saying:
What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun? Before the creation, there was nothing; nothing existed but the Everlasting One, YHVH. Before the process of creation has even begun, YHVH (His Name means “He who exists continually”) was Yachid, the only One, no one else; after the creation He became Echad, He and His creation are together, one or unity. Yachid is exclusive; Echad is inclusive.

We will rewind the time and try to explain what it was before the Creation. The reader has therefore to expect that the subject mentioned in this introduction is a matter of private interpretation to the best knowledge of the present author. We are not concerned with cryptic matters beyond the realm of comprehension, and the secrets that transcends human intellect, but it is incumbent upon us to know matters that are revealed to us.

It all began with “In the beginning”, to which we now turn.

2Enoch, Chapter 24:1-5: Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face. … “Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible… For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east. … I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation”.

But before that YHVH needed to conceive the thought of creating the visible creation. That thought was the “blueprint”, so to speak, the primordial state of the universe, and from the moment on He exists as the Elohim, the Absolute Creative Power: YHVH became Elohim.

 

[David in NJ]

It’s not the Holy Spirit telling you that a singular phrase is a plural phrase. It’s not any Bible translation, in any language, which is telling you that a singular phrase is a plural phrase.

There is no passage of scripture in any language which uses the phrase “one gods”.

#1 - and NEVER forget this = i DO NOT question your Salvation in the LORD Jesus Christ
As a matter of fact and Truth = i love you @Matthias and i enjoy our conversing

As far as your intellectual assessment on the Holy Scriptures on ELOHIM is concerned = it is floating down the river of Denial in 'Egypt'

Genesis ch1 = Echad Elohim = "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"

Exodus ch3 = IAM that IAM....Elohenu Avaraham + Elohenu Yitzach + Elohenu Yakov = Echad Elohim

the LORD = "IAM, the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = Echad Elohim

the Apostles = one SPIRIT(Holy Spirit) one LORD one God and FATHER = Echad Elohim

The Diety Of Christ

John 1 KJV

Elohim, The Father is the Spirit, and His Son, (plural) is our understanding.

I can understand part of what you are saying:
What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun? Before the creation, there was nothing; nothing existed but the Everlasting One, YHVH. Before the process of creation has even begun, YHVH (His Name means “He who exists continually”) was Yachid, the only One, no one else; after the creation He became Echad, He and His creation are together, one or unity. Yachid is exclusive; Echad is inclusive.

We will rewind the time and try to explain what it was before the Creation. The reader has therefore to expect that the subject mentioned in this introduction is a matter of private interpretation to the best knowledge of the present author. We are not concerned with cryptic matters beyond the realm of comprehension, and the secrets that transcends human intellect, but it is incumbent upon us to know matters that are revealed to us.

It all began with “In the beginning”, to which we now turn.

2Enoch, Chapter 24:1-5: Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face. … “Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible… For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east. … I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation”.

But before that YHVH needed to conceive the thought of creating the visible creation. That thought was the “blueprint”, so to speak,the primordial state of the universe, and from the moment on He exists as the Elohim , the Absolute Creative Power: YHVH became Elohim.

Enoch only spoke with YHWH.
YHWH is the pre-incarnate JESUS = same One whom Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel saw with their eyes.

Everlasting one/single/yachid is false = ELOHIM / PLURAL is ECHAD / One United GOD that the Scriptures, which cannot lie, undeniably Declare ELOHIM are THREE = Who are ECHAD/ONE

the primordial state of the universe, and from the moment on He exists as the Elohim

This also is error(from that moment on He exists as Elohim) and cannot be found in the Holy Scriptures of TRUTH and actually opposes the Scriptures of TRUTH

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Hebrews 7:3 - He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life,
but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.

Jeremiah 12:12
A glorious high throne from the beginning
Is the place of our sanctuary.
O Lord, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You shall be ashamed.
“Those who depart from Me
Shall be written in the earth,
Because they have forsaken the Lord,
The fountain of living waters.”

Who is "the Fountain of Living Waters" ???

Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst.
But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

@Matthias - PLEASE read this from OT Jeremiah as who the LORD is- thank you my brother in MESSIAH YAHshua

 

[David in NJ]

@Matthias = Post 409 has been UPdated

 

[Matthias]

As far as your intellectual assessment on the Holy Scriptures on ELOHIM is concerned = it is floating down the river of Denial in 'Egypt'

Since you cannot be persuaded, I‘ve reached the point where I‘m simply going to acknowledge that you firmly believe in “one gods”. I believe firmly only in the “one God”.

I’m content with the contrast.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

#1 - and NEVER forget this = i DO NOT question your Salvation in the LORD Jesus Christ
As a matter of fact and Truth = i love you @Matthias and i enjoy our conversing

As far as your intellectual assessment on the Holy Scriptures on ELOHIM is concerned = it is floating down the river of Denial in 'Egypt'

Genesis ch1 = Echad Elohim = "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"

Exodus ch3 = IAM that IAM....Elohenu Avaraham + Elohenu Yitzach + Elohenu Yakov = Echad Elohim

the LORD = "IAM, the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = Echad Elohim

the Apostles = one SPIRIT(Holy Spirit) one LORD one God and FATHER = Echad Elohim

Enoch only spoke with YHWH.
YHWH is the pre-incarnate JESUS = same One whom Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel saw with their eyes.

Everlasting one/single/yachid is false = ELOHIM / PLURAL is ECHAD / One United GOD that the Scriptures, which cannot lie, undeniably Declare ELOHIM are THREE = Who are ECHAD/ONE


This also is error and cannot be found in the Holy Scriptures of TRUTH and actually opposes the Scriptures of TRUTH

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Hebrews 7:3 - He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life,
but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.

Jeremiah 12:12
A glorious high throne from the beginning
Is the place of our sanctuary.
O Lord, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You shall be ashamed.
“Those who depart from Me
Shall be written in the earth,
Because they have forsaken the Lord,
The fountain of living waters.”

We have different views of the vowel points of the Tetragrammaton

 

[David in NJ]

Since you cannot be persuaded, I‘ve reached the point where I‘m simply going to acknowledge that you firmly believe in “one gods”. I believe firmly only in the “one God”.

I’m content with the contrast.

According to the OT Prophet Jeremiah and JESUS = from which Elohim do the "Fountain of Living Waters come from"???

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias = Post 409 has been UPdated

What is that to me? Your argument hasn’t persuaded me and never will. I’ve publicly acknowledged the contrast and leave you with what you are persuaded.

 

[Matthias]

According to the OT Prophet Jeremiah and JESUS = from which Elohim do the "Fountain of Living Waters come from"???

Jeremiah and Jesus are both Jewish monotheists who believe in the one God. Neither of them has any belief in “one gods”.

 

[David in NJ]

We have different views of the vowel points of the Tetragrammaton

Follow the MAIN POINT of TRUTH = Echad Elohim = become as a little child for their is only One TEACHER and HE never changed His Mind

Echad Elohim = John chapter 14

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

15“If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16And I/Jesus will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

SHALOM to @Walterand Debbie and count to THREE

 

[David in NJ]

i have to step out for now

@Matthias @WalterandDebbie @GodsGrace @ProverbsInPink @Marty fox

YAH-all have been a blessing of encouragement to this little Living stone = SHALOM

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this afternoon -

“Know the difference between being patient and wasting your time.”

https://x.com/readswithravi/status/1983560404354867634?s=61

 

[JustMe]

Elohim is THREE = Ephesians 4:4

Ephesians 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

One Spirit = HOLY SPIRIT
One LORD = YHWH
One God = FATHER

These THREE are ECHAD SPIRIT = Romans 8:9

"Now you are not in flesh but in 1/Spirit, if indeed the 2/Spirit of God dwells in you;
but if anyone does not have the 3/Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him."

The Hebrew word Elohim (אֱלֹהִים) is grammatically plural, derived from the singular El (אֵל) or Eloah (אֱלוֹהַּ). It is the most frequently used term for God in the Hebrew Bible, appearing over 2,500 times. Despite its plural form, it is often used with singular verbs, adjectives, and pronouns when referring to the God of Israel—such as in Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning, God (Elohim) created (bara)”—where bara is a singular verb.

Elohim is also used in the plural sense when referring to multiple false gods (e.g., Exodus 20:3)

Now to the point:

Elohim does not inherently mean "three"—it simply means "gods" or, in a singular context, "God" in a plural form. The number three is not linguistically encoded in the word. In fact, the Hebrew language has specific words for "three" (שָׁלוֹשׁ, 'ׁslo-sh'), and Elohim is not etymologically related to that number.

So why do you illogically keep insisting that term Elohim means, as a plural number, only the number three (3) when scripture clearly opposes your conclusion?

Using Elohim to prove the Trinity is a misreading: since Elohim is the plural of "god," not "person," using it to suggest three persons in one God confuses categories. Elohim is the plural for (one person) GOD, NOT the plural for the term, PERSON. Therefore, to claim it proves a triune God risks implying three gods, not three persons in one God.

Belief at your own risk and keep on embarrassing yourself by saying Elohim = 3 (persons).

 

[WalterandDebbie]

i have to step out for now

@Matthias @WalterandDebbie @GodsGrace @ProverbsInPink @Marty fox

YAH-all have been a blessing of encouragement to this little Living stone = SHALOM

Thank you, David in NY,