Jesus kept the Sabbath

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Sunday practice is a pagan day of worship.

So, the Apostles... under the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... were practicing paganism???

One would think the Holy Spirit would have done a better job leading the Apostles than to lead them to meet on Sunday, the first day of the week which represent Pentecost

Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday which is Pentecost (Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1)

We see in Acts Chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Why follow the shadow of things that were to come after Jesus has arrived where we can join Him in The feast of First Fruits? Let no man therefore judge you concerning not observing Saturday sabbath seeing it's not a requirement given in the New Testament for salvation!

The Lord instructed the Israelites, “You shall count seven weeks for yourself; begin to count the seven weeks from the time you begin to put the sickle to the grain” (Deuteronomy 16:9). The word Pentecost means fifty, and it comes fifty days from the feast of First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10–11, 15–17). The feast of First Fruits was to occur on the day after the Sabbath (verse 11), which was always the Sunday of Passover week. Pentecost, then, was the day after the seventh following Sabbath (verses 15–16), which would be the fiftieth day after First Fruits and also falls on a Sunday.

Jesus died on the Friday of Passover week and had to be buried hastily before sunset, which was when the Sabbath began. His body remained in the sepulcher throughout the Sabbath day, but on that Sunday morning, when the priest was to offer the First Fruits offering in the Temple, Christ arose from the dead as the first fruits of them that slept (I Corinthians 15:20).

For forty days, Jesus appeared to His disciples and then ascended into Heaven. Ten days later, the Sunday of the Feast of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the believers in Jerusalem. The only biblical reference to the events of Pentecost is Acts 2:1-3. At Pentecost, the disciples witnessed the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit.

The evidence shows that the First Fruits and Pentecost were always intended to fall on Sundays, without regard to the day of the month they occurred. As for the New Testament record, it is clear that Jesus arose from the dead on Sunday, the First Day of the Week, the day after the Sabbath, as the fulfillment of the feast of First Fruits. These dates were the literal fulfillment of the Old Testament feasts verifying the powerful meaning of the death and resurrection of Christ.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Every day has always belonged to the LORD. But He has only blessed one

Nonsense!

The Lord blesses ALL of my days because I spend each day abiding in Him... NOT trying to keep the law of Moses!

 

[BarneyFife]

So, the Apostles... under the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... were practicing paganism???

One would think the Holy Spirit would have done a better job leading the Apostles than to lead them to meet on Sunday, the first day of the week which represent Pentecost

Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday which is Pentecost (Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1)

We see in Acts Chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Why follow the shadow of things that were to come after Jesus has arrived where we can join Him in The feast of First Fruits? Let no man therefore judge you concerning not observing Saturday sabbath seeing it's not a requirement given in the New Testament for salvation!

The Lord instructed the Israelites, “You shall count seven weeks for yourself; begin to count the seven weeks from the time you begin to put the sickle to the grain” (Deuteronomy 16:9). The word Pentecost means fifty, and it comes fifty days from the feast of First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10–11, 15–17). The feast of First Fruits was to occur on the day after the Sabbath (verse 11), which was always the Sunday of Passover week. Pentecost, then, was the day after the seventh following Sabbath (verses 15–16), which would be the fiftieth day after First Fruits and also falls on a Sunday.

Jesus died on the Friday of Passover week and had to be buried hastily before sunset, which was when the Sabbath began. His body remained in the sepulcher throughout the Sabbath day, but on that Sunday morning, when the priest was to offer the First Fruits offering in the Temple, Christ arose from the dead as the first fruits of them that slept (I Corinthians 15:20).

For forty days, Jesus appeared to His disciples and then ascended into Heaven. Ten days later, the Sunday of the Feast of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the believers in Jerusalem. The only biblical reference to the events of Pentecost is Acts 2:1-3. At Pentecost, the disciples witnessed the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit.

The evidence shows that the First Fruits and Pentecost were always intended to fall on Sundays, without regard to the day of the month they occurred. As for the New Testament record, it is clear that Jesus arose from the dead on Sunday, the First Day of the Week, the day after the Sabbath, as the fulfillment of the feast of First Fruits. These dates were the literal fulfillment of the Old Testament feasts verifying the powerful meaning of the death and resurrection of Christ.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The element of self-argument here is utterly astounding. You quote Colossians 2 and then trip all over yourself trying to make the case that we should do what would be, in effect, disregarding it. Simply amazing.

Nonsense!

The Lord blesses ALL of my days because I spend each day abiding in Him... NOT trying to keep the law of Moses! View attachment 39050

Here you arrogantly confuse days that apparently belong to you somehow with days of the week, that God created and numbered—only one of which He is on record as having blessed and commanded us in no uncertain terms to observe as holy and sacred. And no amount of wordsmithing is going to change that, by the way.

Neither Jesus nor his apostles gave a standalone, direct command to keep the Sabbath because there was no competitor to it at the time of the narration of the New Testament. But, as it turns out, it does give people an opportunity to follow the dictates of their own desires.

And no mainstream, non-Catholic Bible scholar today argues in favor of Sunday sacredness because they're tired of being embarrassed by the truth.

The thrust of anti-Sabbatarianism in Christianity today is based on either one of three schools of thought:

The ten commandments are still the moral code for human beings and Sunday is quietly grandfathered in as the object of the 4th in lieu of the much too inconvenient 7th day of the week;

The ten commandments are still the moral code for human beings and the person or faith of Jesus Himself is the object of the 4th in lieu of any day of the week;

The ten commandments are obsolete Mosaic law and have been replaced by either the two great commandments or the one, neo-secular "love your neighbor" deal.

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[Big Boy Johnson]

Here you arrogantly...

The only arrogance going on here is by those who are trying to keep portions of the law of Moses in disobedience to what the New Testament teaches which is we have a new High Priest (Jesus) and because of that we are no longer under the law of Moses but are now under the Law of Christ.

Sure some of the moral laws found in the OT transfer thru to the Law of Christ but Saturday sabbath was not included and to make the claim that those who do not keep Saturday sabbath aren't saved is false doctrine!

Keeping a certain day is not a sin. Not keeping a day is also not a sin. Keeping a day, such as Saturday, and somehow believing that is essential to salvation, is a sin. Condemning others for not keeping the day you keep reveals that such a person is in need of repenting and putting their faith in Christ. It’s time to read Romans 14 concerning NON-essentials and get a real New Testament, saved-by-grace life!

Jesus said “If ye love me keep MY commandments” (John 14:15), but Jesus never told anyone to keep the 7th day and so that’s not one of His commandments, requirements for His saved-by-grace NEW Testament saints.

 

[BarneyFife]

The only arrogance going on here is by those who are trying to keep portions of the law of Moses in disobedience to what the New Testament teaches which is we have a new High Priest (Jesus) and because of that we are no longer under the law of Moses but are now under the Law of Christ.

"Portions?"

What trap are you setting for yourself now?

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[BarneyFife]

Not a peep about any requirement on Christians to keep Saturday sabbath as a requirement for salvation or that those who don't keep Saturday sabbath will be thrown in to hell by the Lord having lost their salvation for honoring the Lord just one day per week.

Weaponizing the words "requirement for salvation" isn't going to hide the fact that there wasn't a peep about dishonoring parents, taking the LORD's name in vain, or bearing false witness, while those things are on the same list as the "Saturday sabbath."

So I guess anything goes for the Gentile converts, eh?

Basic morality is no more important than eating things strangled, I guess.

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[ScottA]

I believe that the practice of keeping THE weekly Sabbath is A real thing that points back to the creation of the heavens and the earth and the Exodus, which is a symbol of redemption, as per Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

As to the world being all there is, I know nothing of such an idea.

I'm not into making stuff up.

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Believe what you will...but you have left out and are not accounting for the greatest of the three, which the first two only point to:

Hebrews 13:8​

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.​

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1. The creation sabbath (yesterday).
2. The sabbath practice (today).
3. The Sabbath pointed to (forever).

 

[BarneyFife]

And, this will be shocking you those keeping Saturday sabbath... the Lord does not love those keep Saturday sabbath more than those who go to church on Sunday!

That's a nice straw man. Whaddya want for it?.

 

[BarneyFife]

Believe what you will...but you have left out and are not accounting for the greatest of the three, which the first two only point to:

Hebrews 13:8​

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.​

Just more neo-Gnosticism. Say something us plain folk can understand, Scott.

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[ScottA]

Just more neo-Gnosticism. Say something us plain folk can understand, Scott.

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Hebrews 13:8​

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.​

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1. The creation sabbath (yesterday).
2. The sabbath practice (today).
3. The Sabbath pointed to (forever).

 

[BarneyFife]

Hebrews 13:8​

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.​

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1. The creation sabbath (yesterday).
2. The sabbath practice (today).
3. The Sabbath pointed to (forever).

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[ScottA]

Just more neo-Gnosticism. Say something us plain folk can understand, Scott.

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As for your "neo-Gnosticism" name calling--you are also welcome to believe that there is nothing supernatural about God, nothing spiritual or omni-present, nothing unfolding on this earthly plain that has greater significance than this worldly existence, that anything more is just people "making stuff up"--but you would be wrong.

 

[ScottA]

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Luke 13:32​

And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’​

Are you getting any of this?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Weaponizing the words "requirement for salvation" isn't going to hide the fact that there wasn't a peep about dishonoring parents, taking the LORD's name in vain, or bearing false witness, while those things are on the same list as the "Saturday sabbath."

Wow! You must be feeling militant today...

The difference is... the Holy Spirit leads Christians to honor parents, to not take the LORD's name in vain, and to not bare false witness as these commandments can be found in the New Testament.

Curiously though... keeping Saturday sabbath can NOT be found as a command in the New Testament. It's the only command out of the original 10 commandments cannot cannot be found in the New Testament as a commandments.

Galatians 4:9-11
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain

Anyone who goes back under the law after being saved, has fallen from saving grace (Galatians 5:4). The book of Galatians could not be a more severe warning. Paul says he wishes these diabolical Judaizers were “cut off” (Galatians 5:12).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's a nice straw man. Whaddya want for it?.

It's you Saturday sabbath peoples that are claiming those that don't observe Saturday sabbath are living in sin, not me.

 

[Wick Stick]

So where in the New Testament... are Christians instructed to observe Saturday sabbath???

What do you mean by observe?

If you mean to perform services in a temple or church, then that is not commanded in the New Testament OR the Old Testament.

If you mean to take a day of rest once a week, that benefit pre-dates Judaism, but was codified as part of Moses covenant, and it continues in the New:

Hebrews 4:9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus kept the sabbath of the Old Testament and every single commandment of the OLD Covenant…. in order to fulfill (expire) it when He died on the cross and “took it out of the away” (Colossians 2:14-19).

Christ is now the Sabbath rest of the NEW Testament saints who are saved by His grace. Nothing wrong with observing a day of rest and special worship, it’s actually wise to do so… yet making this something that New Testament believers must do to be right with God is not biblical.

 

[ScottA]

Actually, the Sabbath was made for us. Immanuel-Jesus did not invalidate that. Nor was there anything about the Sabbath to be fulfilled, since the Sabbath was to be remembered in the list of Moral commands, rather than being established there.

The Sunday practice is a pagan day of worship. Not the holy day God made for us.

Oh...but you have left sooo much out--come so short!

Hebrews 4:1​

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.​

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What do you mean by observe?

You'll have to ask the Saturday sabbath peoples who claim it means to do NO work, or to not cause anyone else to work as they try to keep Saturday sabbath just like they are under the Law of Moses.

Jesus Christ... is THE rest for New Covenant believers which is what the Book of Hebrews is speaking of...


Hebrews 4:6-11
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This not not something that is only available on Saturday!

 

[BarneyFife]

As for your "neo-Gnosticism" name calling--you are also welcome to believe that there is nothing supernatural about God, nothing spiritual or omni-present, nothing unfolding on this earthly plain that has greater significance than this worldly existence, that anything more is just people "making stuff up"--but you would be wrong.

And you're free to get triggered and call characterization of expression "name calling" and erect straw men about supernature-denial to your heart's desire.

Just don't expect me to intellectually humor you very much.

Luke 13:32​

And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’​

Are you getting any of this?

Yes, Rabbi (that was name-calling, btw), I'm familiar with some of the more popular theories of Bible chronology/eschatology stuff with which people relieve their boredom.

You may now enlighten me on the finer points, if you must.

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