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Jesus' Warning - Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21

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    Part 1The most talked about subject today is the end times, and what is going to happen. There is no reason to be anxious, because Jesus told us to wait patiently on Him.How can we do that?By studying His Word, and getting to know as much about Jesus, and these end times as we can. The more we know, the less mystery there is, and this allows us to stay calm, and steadfast in His truth. To be absolutely sure as to the outcome of these "end time" events, we read Jesus lips, through His Word.There are three chapters that allow us to read directly from our Bible, in Jesus own words about what our generation will face. These chapters are Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.Matthew 24, and Mark 13 gives us the seven vital events which consummate the end of this earth age. That is to say, just before Jesus Christ returns at the last trumpet, this flesh age will be over. Those seven events will take place before Christ sets foot on this earth to set up His Earthly Kingdom. It will happen just as Jesus says it will happen, and not the way these TV prophets are leading you to believe. Let's let Jesus tell us how this age will come to a close.Mark 13:11 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!As Jesus left the temple with His disciples, the disciples were very excited about the size and appearance of the temple.Mark 13:22 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.Jesus told His disciples to take a close look at those buildings. Then after the observation, Jesus declares that the temple's total destruction will come. It will be so complete that, "There shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.Though many preachers claim this already has taken place in 70 A.D. by the Roman General Titus and his army, it is definitely not true. all tours to Jerusalem today include a trip to the standing wailing wall of the old temple (Herod). The west wall of the temple still stands, with some stones almost 40 feet long. This prophecy has not yet come to pass. This prophecy is referring to a battle yet to come, called Armageddon. This is the final battle, where hail stones will rain down 180 lbs. each, bringing the wrath of fire and brimstone with it. This will be the wrath of Almighty God, and it is recorded in detail by Ezekiel in his 38th and 39th chapters.Jesus and His disciples knew that He was referring to the time of His Second Advent, or coming.Mark 13:33 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,This is not a teaching to all the 12 disciples. It's a private teaching to those who have ears to hear, and a mind to understand.Mark 13:44 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?This question is the same one most all Christians are asking today. When is the end of this earth coming? Show us some signs of the things that are going to happen, and tell us so we can recognize them.Mark 13:55 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:This is the first warning, don't let a false teacher deceive you: about some "fly away", fairy tale doctrine. Listen to Jesus. Don't let anyone deceive you, nor take your reward.Mark 13:66 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.There are many preachers and teachers today coming to us under the name "Christian", and they are a bunch of fakes. They are out to deceive you with false doctrine. They bring their sermons from sources other than God's Word, and they use and pick through God's Word and use it as a crutch to support their half-truths. That is the exact way that Satan works, twisting the Word of God. Don't allow yourself to be deceived. Check out your teachers, and allow only God's Holy Word, your Bible to be your authority.Mark 13:77 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.This is one of the signs given to mark times before His Second coming. As long as you "are hearing of wars and rumors of wars" you will not see the end of this earth age.This subject is 100% of what this chapter is about; "the end" of this earth age.What's the opposite of "wars and rumors of wars"? When you hear "peace peace peace; One World Peace; Disarmament; a One World System; these are one of the signs Jesus Christ is giving to us from His own lips.Mark 13:88 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.There is a great deal more spoken here in the Greek that meets our eyes. It has been pointed out by scientists that earthquakes have increased in size and number in the past forty years. Even in the last ten years they have increased even more.The "famine" is not for food, but for truth. All indications in the latest farm reports by the government agencies, show bumper crops in all grains. Not only in the USA, but Canada, South America, Europe and elsewhere. There will be enough food to feed the world.The "famine" is for the truth of God's Word, and today there is a lot of teaching going on, but very little truth is given to God's children for their understanding as they prepare for these end times. Anything that turns your mind and attention away from God, and Christ's teaching, adds to the famine.The National and International press has clouded the truth of events. It has been difficult to know and to find out all the truth. I'm not talking about those "Judas Goats" our Bible calls reporters, that we see on our tv sets, but those in control of what news will or will not be released. In most cases, they are "Kenites", and the same blood of those Jesus faced in Matthew 23:25-36. The very blood offspring of Satan, through Eve and their father Cain.They piece information together to fit their agenda, making it a total lie. In the same manner, that the false prophets and teachers, fit to move God's Word to fulfill their unholy agendas; some for money, recognition, or promotion of a system they are trying to peddle. They famine is keeping the people from hearing the truth of the fruited Word of God:Amos 8:1-14 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?7 The LORD hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works.8 Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.The "sorrows" in the Greek, are labor pains, as in child birth. They are the labor pains of the birth of a NEW AGE, and they have already begun. It's right at our door, and it is part of our everyday lives, our jobs, schools, and even in the churches.Mark 13:99 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them."Take heed" means, "be careful" for Jesus is telling us we will be delivered for the sole purpose of changing your mind. Their "councils" are going to have legal teeth when the law is enforced that states your belief in Jesus Christ is a sign of insanity. It's here right now.Those "synagogues" are the "synagogues of Satan", spoken of by Jesus also in Matthew 23:34, and Revelation 2:9-10. The beating of Christians will take place both morally and spiritually, if you allow it. You will be delivered up "for Jesus Christ's sake". To give answers why you believe the way you do, as you continue to follow Christ's commandments and teachings. Through the eyes of this wicked world, even in the churches, you will be called wicked and a freak to them, for they will be following the ways of Lucifer at that time. Are you going to have your Gospel armor on and in place then, or are you going to go bananas? You will finally have the opportunity to do something for Jesus, because you are His witnesses.We will see in Luke 21:15, it says even the gainsayers will listen; those that have taken a stand against God's Word, will be convinced by what you say. That sounds exciting. The time is coming when the Antichrist is going to set foot in Satan's synagogues, and deceive the whole world. You will not be tempted by him nor can he harm you.Mark 13:1010 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.Though many claim it's being done now on the world satellite television, and short wave, much of what is taught is false. There is a great difference between what Jesus Christ said in the Gospel, line upon line, chapter upon chapter of His Word; and the window dressing of these false end day prophets (ministers). They say whatever it takes to draw the crowds and more important to them, it is the money. They ask for your pledges, as they hand you up on a guilt trip. They base their religion and salvation on giving, and your condition of being saved on giving to them without questioning. Some ask you to will your wealth to them when you pass on.When you have the Gospel armor on, you will see through their gimmicks and mental games. When you catch them once; get going, or friend you will be trapped. We will see it more and more now as the end draws near, and many ministers today leave you on a guilt trip, if you even listened to them, you own them. That is of course the devil; selling the Gospel of Christ, and Peter addresses this in Acts 8:18-22. As "Simon the Sorcerer" tried to reproduce the work of the Holy Spirit, and the "Gospel of Christ" into a sellable item. To make a profit for their ministry:Acts 8:18-20 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.There is a war underway, and it is not using guns and bullets. This war of the end times is a spiritual war, and it is fought with words, and ideas. The battlefield of the final battles of this earth age are fought in the minds of not only the men and women, but children.The ammunition being fired is old power that will blow up in your face. It's traditions is set up which are pagan, and false doctrines. The only defense for the protection of the Christian is the Gospel armor of Christ. You had better have that armor on and in place, and you best know what the battle plan is. That battle plan is being given to you right now, in His Word; for it is alerting you as to what will take place, before Christ will come back to this earth, and gather us back to Him.
     
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    Part 2Mark 13:1111 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.The purpose for God allowing Satan's councils to deliver you up, is so you will give a true witness to the world, and so that the true Gospel of Christ will be preached. Why? Because we will not be doing the preaching, but will allow the Holy Spirit to use our bodies as the mouth piece for the Holy Spirit to work through.This is the time, and place that Peter spoke of in Acts 2:15-21, when the Christians will be filled with the Holy Spirit, and all will speak in that cloven tongue. Whereby as the Holy Spirit speaks all peoples of every language on earth will understand your words in his or her own language, and local dialect.Peter said: Acts 2:15-1815 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Many Christians today confuse the clear crisp words of the Holy Spirit, understood by all, with the babbling going on in many churches today. Their is no confusion with anyone when the Holy Spirit speaks, and Joel warned us about it centuries before Christ's time on earth. That a time would come when the Antichrist would come upon the earth, and the Gospel would be spread around the earth through God's chosen. Those chosen of God would allow the Holy Spirit to work through them, as the voice box of the Holy Spirit.This is the time and Spirit that if denied, would have committed the "unpardonable sin". There is no forgiveness for refusing to allow the Holy Spirit access to your voice at that time. The time of this eleventh verse is coming very soon.The purpose is simple to know that plan of God, then to not premeditate or think ahead of time what you will say, but be willing to let God place those words in your mouth, at His appropriate time. It won't be you speaking but the Holy Spirit. Are you ready for that? God's Word is addressing those who are marked and sealed with the "seal of God" in their forehead, or mind. Those who do not have the seal will be given over to Satan's deception.Revelation 9:44 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.Mark 13:1212 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.Parents will not give their children to be killed, neither will brothers betray each other. They love their family. What is going to happen will be done in ignorance. The betrayal comes because of their ignorance of God's Word.The one setting in the temple of Jerusalem is Satan, the Antichrist, claiming to be Jesus. They have attended church since their youth, and listened to the false teachers, how Jesus will rapture them out of this great destruction. So when the first messiah comes on the "white horse" at the fifth trumpet (Revelation 9:1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.") they will accept the fake Christ as the true Christ.Some Christians, the chosen, and elect of God, will know what is going on and see the tinsel man, the Antichrist, for the fake that he is. They will see right through Satan's tricks, and hold firm. When they do, their loved ones, -who in ignorance- go whoring after the Antichrist, will beg of Satan to "save" their loved ones.Family members will turn their parents in, their children, and brothers and sisters who have the seal of God in their minds, to be murdered. The killing is not a physical death, but a spiritual death. The death is to one's very soul. They will beg mercy from the Antichrist for their loved ones lives.Mark 13:1313 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.It is not popular in most churches to teach this part of Jesus' teachings. In Luke 21:18 it says that they can't harm a hair on your head. As time goes on over the next couple of years, the hatred will grow, whereby just the name of Jesus will cause visual hatred.God gave very strict orders in Revelation 9:4 ("And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.") to Satan, you can go down there and sting (with deceit) any one in the whole world; only don't you dare touch one of my anointed. Those with the "seal of God" in their forehead (mind)."Satan's biggest mistake is when he kills the two witnesses. They are two of God's anointed. He signs his own death warrant, because three and a half days later, God's judgment begins.
     
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    Part 3Mark 13:1414 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:Judea is the area of Jerusalem, and the tiny nation of Israel. Within Jerusalem lies Mount Zion, and upon that Mount will be where the Antichrist will be setting in his synagogue (of satan). From that temple Satan will rule the world for five months. (Revelation 9:10 "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.")The "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet", was recorded in Daniel 9:27. Translated from Daniel in the Hebrew, it reads, "In the middle of that seven year period, he shall put off the daily sacrifice, (which is Holy Communion, because he claims he is Christ returned), and he shall come in on the wings as the desolator". But "the desolator" is a person of destruction. He is the Antichrist, in Jerusalem claiming to be Jesus. If you're there, get out of the area.Mark 13:1515 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:You don't have time, or need any earthly substance. We are talking about the end of this earth age. It is about to come, as the Lord Jesus Christ will come with His judgment, and our Lord is warning you to get a move on, and clear the area.The battle of Armageddon is about to start.Mark 13:1616 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.You don't need a change of clothes - it's that close.Mark 13:1717 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!Don't you young mothers worry about a thing, because of this verse. T his is a spiritual warning, this is an analogy, or parable. Because many will impregnated in their minds, by the "mark of the beast". They are going to a false wedding. They were supposed to be the bride of Christ, but they became whores to the Antichrist, and married the Antichrist instead, and at the true Christ's return, their unfaithfulness will show."To give suck", means to nurture along Satan's work, by delivering up your children and family to the Antichrist, thinking he is Jesus. What a terrible time to look forward to, allowing yourself to attend any church that varies from God's Word in their teaching. Your walking into a trap, in those spiritual ***** houses.Mark 13:1818 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.When is harvest time? It's in the harvest season now! This verse says don't be harvested out of season.Mark 13:1919 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.The "affliction" is "tribulation". This is the first tribulation, not God's wrath, it's Satan's love and deception.It will be the greatest time of deception that has ever been brought upon mankind. That deception is to allow Satan, in his supernatural power, to parade upon this earth as the true Christ, in person and in fact. Most Christians will be loving him in ignorance, because they have been taught to do so in their fluff houses, called churches.Mark 13:2020 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.The message of "the Antichrist" and his hoards of fallen Angels, (called the locust army in Joel 1, and Revelation 9) will seem to fit right into what is being taught in most churches today.That message is accepted as true Gospel, and the minds of all the people are given over by God to satan for their lack of knowledge (true message). The only exceptions are the people who have taken the time to study and come to know the truth of God's plan.God has revealed to those with ears to hear, that a false one called "the son of perdition" will come first. Paul wrote in II Thessalonians 2:3, (" Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition") and gave us the same warning that the word "beginning" in the Greek text is "arche", Strong's #746 "a commencement, application of order, time or rank, beginning at the first estate, principality, or rule".That first estate was in an age prior to this earth age, and it was because of what happened at that time, that God has selected, or chosen you to understand. If you understand the plan of God, it's because God's Spirit has revealed it to you. If you don't -- and find pleasure in every wind of doctrine by these false prophets, then God will give you "strong delusion" so you will believe Satan's lies.Back to Mark 13, where Jesus is giving us His warning as to what we can expect to see with our own eyes, before His coming.Mark 13:2121 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:God's elect, those who believe, and understand His plan will escape that time of the Antichrist. The days of the apostasy will be shortened to "five months" for the elect's sake, recorded in:Revelation 9:5-10 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.We have seen in II Thessalonians 2:3 that there is a Christ coming, before anyone goes anywhere, short of death. This first Christ is a fake. This verse 21 is Jesus warning you and I, when when any man comes to tell you "Jesus Christ is here now" don't believe them! You now have had your official warning by Jesus Christ himself.Mark 13:2222 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.This is Jesus still teaching. False signs and false wonders are miracles. These miracles will seduce, or "make you with child" spiritually speaking, even those who were chosen in the first earth age, who studied to know the truth, called the elect of God could be deceived.Those fairy tale stories of the false doctrines will lead you into the false christ. Jesus didn't say, maybe Satan is coming before I come back, He said, Satan is coming before I come back. If you don't open your eyes to this fact, you will be deceived.Mark 13:2323 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.God's people ran from the cross, like scattered sheep. However, we will not run any longer. Jesus Christ is calling out an army to stand against Satan, we are required to know the Antichrist at his arrival, and how to stand against Satan with the full Gospel armor on.Though Jesus sat and explained this to His disciples in detail what He was about to go through, His death and resurrection they still ran. Though He was talking to His disciples about His second coming, let there be no mistake; that lesson was addressed to the Christians living in our generation, in the 80's and 90's, who would visually see with their own eyes Satan's One World System come into being.Then at the set time, God would release the Antichrist (Satan) upon the earth, to test Christians to see if they will remain true to Him.As it comes into reality, you should be thankful that our Heavenly Father, in all His mercy warned you ahead of time. These seven events Jesus is giving us in Mark 13, and Matthew 24, are the seven seals of Revelation 5.The false teachers are spouting off today are Satan's trump card, to win you over to his side.Mark 13:2424 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,This is not that difficult to understand; Jesus is now directing your attention to the time following "that tribulation", which is following Satan's rule on earth as the Antichrist.There are two tribulations coming to this earth. This is the first when Satan's "love-feast", his sexual orgy spiritually, when the whole world is whoring after Satan the Antichrist.That is why Paul said in II Corinthians 11:2-3, that he wants to present you as a "chased virgin" before Christ at His return:2 Corinthians 11:2,32 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.Not as Eve, who was "beguiled", or "wholly seduced sexually" by the serpent, who is Satan. Therefore we have Cain, and his offspring, "the kenites" who are now controlling the One World System forming today.Mark 13:2525 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.Mark 13:2626 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.After that first tribulation, and after you see the Antichrist here on earth, "then shall they see the son of man coming in the clouds, with great power and glory - then, and not one minute before.Mark 13:2727 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.This is the time of our gathering back to Christ. If you want to call it "rapture" and "fly away" it's not in the Word of God! This is when God will gather those who have overcome, and not bowed to Satan, taken his name or number. The gathering of God's elect by the angels of God, He is selecting only those with eyes to see and ears to hear, and who are prepared so they will stand against the Antichrist.Do you want to know when the end is going to be? Jesus tells us in the next verse:Mark 13:2828 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:Summer is the time of the true harvest. This is the time it should be. So what is the "parable of the fig tree"? To shorten the parable for understanding here; it is as follows.The parable is the time when both the offspring's of Judah, called the "House of Judah", mixed with the "Kenites", the son's of Satan, through Cain, both return to Palestine. They established a nation, and are both referred to as "Jews". This mixture is written about in Jeremiah 24, and these people are represented as the basket of "good and bad figs". This fig tree is set by a shoot. These people live together in Palestine today. The shoot, or establishment of that nation was set May 15, 1948. So the warning of Mark 13:28 is history to us in 2000.Jeremiah 24:1-10 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.3 Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.
     
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    Part 4Mark 13:2929 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.When those things came to pass it was 1948. The generation that saw it are adults, middle age people of today. This prophecy came to pass.Mark 13:3030 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.This is Jesus talking, and you can count on what He said. It's in God's Holy Word. The Bible speaks of 40 year generations, 70 year generations, and 120 year generations. Which ever this is, it shall not pass away until God sends His angels to collect His elect, because this earth age is over at that point in time. Completed!Remember one thing from this chapter, if you forget all the rest; the Antichrist is coming to our generation, and His mission is to deceive all the people of the earth, except God's elect. Jesus started this chapter with a warning directly to you in verse 5. "Take heed lest any man deceive you".Most churches of today lead you to believe that God is going to draw you up to fly you out of here, and that is one of Satan's lies. It is not written in God's Word. What are you going to believe? Your very soul hinges on what you will believe. The choice is yours.Mark 13:3131 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.Mark 13:3232 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.We do not know the hour of our Lords return, but we know the season, and right up to the very end. We know we must see a One World Government, followed by the Antichrist.Then there will be a confrontation between the two witnesses, and the Antichrist will kill them both, the whole world will watch and celebrate their death. As these two witnesses lay in the street (wide place) in Jerusalem, they will come alive in three and one half days. (See Revelation 11 - or Two Witness Study).It is during this period of the Antichrist that He will call himself God. This is what Daniel calls "the abomination of desolation (desolator)", which Jesus refers to in Mark 13:14. This abomination marks the end of Satan, and the seventh (last) trumpet sounds. It is here that Jesus Christ, the "son of man" comes in all His glory as the "Lord of lords and King of kings". Revelation 19:16Friend, you won't know the hour, but you will be ready on that day, because Jesus has given us ample warning.By turning to Matthew 24, and reviewing each verse, Mark 13 will bear a second witness to Jesus' warning that we have read so far. Luke 21 is a third witness to this warning as well! All three of these chapters are warning you from Jesus lips Himself, teaching you the same thing!Our generation has ample warning, and God's elect will take heed to Jesus Christ's words. The elect will keep a watchful eye on current events, for those events are our guide posts as we move into this One World System, a political one.From there, we go into the religious "One World System" with the Antichrist at the head. This final time will be marked with many miracles, and supernatural wonders. It will happen, and don't let it throw you off guard. Know that God is allowing it, and Jesus himself told us to hold fast!Mark 13:32-37 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.Our study into the "Companion Bible, (King James) has revealed these truths, that we might know the truth and be free in Christ our Lord. As we serve Him and love Him with our whole hearts He will see us through every trial. We are to "take heed, watch and pray", keep our peace of mind and know that He alone is worthy to be praised in all things and wait patiently upon the Lord. Amen.This study was written by Roger D. Christopherson
     
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    Just wanted to say thankyou for this study. AMEN and AMEN,its easier to love my brother today, I would like to add Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake.18. But there shall not one hair on your head perish.I believe this means as God has sealed us He will protect us from all physical harm.
     
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    N2, can you stop with the Anti-semitism for just a secomd?I was starting to think you had something worth while to say, but you started in on the Kennites again. What is up with that?LET MY PEOPLE GO!
     
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    N2, can you stop with the Anti-semitism for just a secomd?I was starting to think you had something worth while to say, but you started in on the Kennites again. What is up with that?LET MY PEOPLE GO!
    BC I think you have misunderstood who Kenites are probably thru some of our discussion on other threads we have confused you.The definition of a Kennites - are the off spring of Cain and not necessarily of any particular nationality today, they can be anybody anywhere. Some of the first Kenites we see by name in the bible are not Jews but most likely in my opinion descendants of Ishmael.They were listed in Exodus as escaping from Egypt, But not named as being of the tribes of the Hebrews. They worked their way into Jewish society. But because they are not Jews they could be anyone today though I'm sure many claim to be Jews but are not, they could basically be anyone.We know them by their works against Gods word not by their nationality. I am sure some call themselves Christians and preach doctrines not in Gods word.Many more probably call themselves Muslim, and preach death to Christians and Jews.
     
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    Thank you Kris,If that's the case, then why does n2 single out Jews? Sorry, I'm not comfortable with that language, I could be wrong, but I'm not comfortable.BC
     
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    BCN2 will have to answer your question I cant speak for him however I do know he is Not an anti-Semite.
     
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    Broken CrusaderQuote"N2, can you stop with the Anti-semitism for just a secomd?"ReplyIm sorry if you feel I am being anti-semetic,but as I said earlier.I make no apologies for my post's,I try very hard to present my views based upon scripture,with that said,if you were to read my post's with understanding,instead of jumping to conclusions,you would understand.I don't know how much clearer I can get,for the record let me repeat this once more,I clearly state and have stated that,I thionk it is those that CALL THEMSELVES JEWS,and are not, which again,are not my words,however even a kenite can be saved and come under the grace of God,which at that time makes them my brother/sister,and it is my wish that many of them,and anyone else for that matter who does not have Christ,come to find Him.As this particular post is on what to expect during the end times,and the kenites do and will play a vital role in its development, for they are setting the stag for their father's return I don't wish to engage in you preceiving me to be anti-semitic,but if you would like to discuss this,please do so on one of my other post,Im sure you can find one in which this topic is appropiate,and I would be more than happy to engage you,on said topic.(anti-semetics)
     
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    N2 please see that you may have been right in what you meant, but you have come across as wrong.. so your teaching wasn't effective ...as it could have been...perhaps you could use scriptures alone in a study to show this important truth of who the Kenites are.. for in Rev the two churches with whom God is pleased are the two churches who teach who the Kenites are.. if only one had been offended, perhaps the one is skewed, but more than one was offended ?hmmmm? I knew the teaching of the Kenites and yet how did I react? perhaps you should not let your pride keep those who need your teaching lose it...Could you turn the cheek here and do a rewite just using the scripture, I know you could, but will you?Praying you will for my brothers and sister who need this teaching...LOVE YOU, Betchevy
     
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    Who are the KENITES ? - 1. The children of Cain - 2. A Canaanite tribe whose country was given to Abraham see Gen. 15:18-21 - 3. The descendants of Jethro, a Midianite, the father-in-law of Moses . Join the Israelites and live at Jericho . Later in the wilderness of Judah . Jael, one of the, betrays and kills Sisera (SUB) The following is the definition of the english words cain and kenite as taken from the Strong's concordance.Strong's # 7017 Qeyniy (kay-nee'); or Qiyniy (1 Chron. 2:55) (kee-nee'); patronymic from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin: KJV-- Kenite. (DIC) Strong's # 7014 Qayin (kah'-yin); the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: KJV-- Cain, Kenite (-s). (DIC) Strong's # 7013 qayin (kah'-yin); from 6969 in the original sense of fixity; a lance (as striking fast): KJV-- spear. (DIC) Strong's # 7069 qanah (kaw-naw'); a primitive root; to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own: KJV-- attain, buy (-er), teach to keep cattle, get, provoke to jealousy, possess (-or), purchase, recover, redeem, X surely, X verily. (DIC) When Moses was bringing the children out of Egypt, the Kenites were already telling him how to do GOD's work. Please read Exodus chapter 18 at this point. Now Moses was so impressed that he BEGGED them to join with ISRAEL! Num 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel. (KJV) And of course, these Kenites were with Israel when Baalam was hired to curse the children. We know this prophet-for-hire was not allowed to curse Israel, but look at his description of the future of the Kenites that accompanied them! Num 24:21 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a ROCK. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this! (KJV) Beloved, verse 23 is for the last days! Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people. (KJV) Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh. (KJV) 1 Chr 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab. (KJV) Thus the Kenites were absorbed into Israel and served as SCRIBES in the temple and are there to this day, claiming to be of Judah. One of the last descriptions of these Kenites is given in Jer. chapter 35. Most do not perceive that Jeremiah had been instructed by God to offer to these Kenites of the house of Rechab (see 1 Chr. 2:55 above, where this house of Rachab is mentioned as being Kenite) the blessings of the true God by offering them the wine which would become symbolic of the shed blood of the Messiah, JESUS! (Matt. 26:27-29). Some so called bible scholars even look on Jer. 35:19 as a blessing on the Kenites for their obedience to their father. JESUS reminds them that this is not the case at all in John 8:38 below. There were other Canaanite tribes of the same stock (see Gen 15:18-21) which began to attach themselves to the Rock,(as Baalam predicted) and became the religious leaders. For example: GIBEONITES -The Gibeonites of Joshua Chapter 9 eventually became the Nethinims. Please read Joshua 9 at this time. Our people have always been sloppy when it comes to carrying out GOD's instructions. If you don't take care of the treasures given to you, Satan's people will and gladly. Moses was warned that the Levites should always and only occupy the Temple (read EX.28 36-43). We can see how Aaron neglected his duty when he fashioned the molten calf for them. Even Moses did not believe God and was kept out of the promised land. (see Num. 20:7-12). How did the Gibeonites become the Nethinims? Trace them beginning at Josh.9 to Joshua 18:21-28 (where they were assigned to Benjamin in JERUSALEM.) Then go to 1 Chron 9:2, then to 1 Chron 15:18 & 24. Here we find these hewers of wood and drawers of water for the temple were now doorkeepers and porters!, OR NETHINIMS - Servants of the Levites - Return from the captivity (SUB) Strong's # 5411 Nathiyn (naw-theen'); or Nathuwn (Ezra 8:17) (naw-thoon') (the proper form as passive participle), from 5414; one given, i.e. (in the plural only) the Nethinim, or Temple-servants (as given to that duty): KJV-- Nethinims. (DIC) Strong's # 5414 nathan (naw-than'); a primitive root; to give, used with greatest latitude of application (put, make, etc.): KJV-- add, apply, appoint, ascribe, assign, X avenge, X be ([healed]), bestow, bring (forth, hither), cast, cause, charge, come, commit, consider, count, + cry, deliver (up), direct, distribute, do, X doubtless, X without fail, fasten, frame, X get, give (forth, over, up), grant, hang (up), X have, X indeed, lay (unto charge, up), (give) leave, lend, let (out), + lie, lift up, make, + O that, occupy, offer, ordain, pay, perform, place, pour, print, X pull put (forth), recompense, render, requite, restore, send (out), set (forth), shew, shoot forth (up), + sing, + slander, strike, [sub-] mit, suffer, X surely, X take, thrust, trade, turn, utter, + weep, + willingly, + withdraw, + would (to) God, yield. (DIC) Ezra 8:20 Also of the Nethinims, whom David and the princes had appointed for the service of the Levites, two hundred and twenty Nethinims: all of them were expressed by name. (KJV) 1 Chr 9:2 Now the first inhabitants that dwelt in their possessions in their cities were, the Israelites, the priests, Levites, and the Nethinims. (KJV) Ezra 2:70 So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities. (KJV) By the time of the return from Babylonian captivity, There was not ONE Levitical Priest that came back at first, but they (Ezra and Nehemiah) were surrounded with these Nethinims! Note what Ezra did: Ezra 8:17 And I sent them with commandment unto Iddo the chief at the place Casiphia, and I told them what they should say unto Iddo, and to his brethren the Nethinims, at the place Casiphia, that they should bring unto us ministers for the house of our God. (KJV) Neh 7:73 So the priests, and the Levites, and the porters, and the singers, and some of the people, and the Nethinims, and all Israel, dwelt in their cities; and when the seventh month came, the children of Israel were in their cities. (KJV) Neh 11:3 Now these are the chief of the province that dwelt in Jerusalem: but in the cities of Judah dwelt every one in his possession in their cities, to wit, Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants. (KJV) Neh 11:21 But the Nethinims dwelt in Ophel: and Ziha and Gispa were over the Nethinims. (KJV) By the time of JESUS these Nethinim were the Scribes, Saducees, Pharisees, and Herodians and had taken over the Temple completely. Jesus points them out to those who will notice: Jn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (KJV) Jn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. (KJV) Jn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. (KJV) Jn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (KJV) Jn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. (KJV) Jn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. (KJV) Jn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. (KJV) Jn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (KJV) Jn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (KJV) Jn 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (KJV) Who was a murderer in the beginning? None other than Cain!! Now, all this should not be interpreted to mean that the Kenite is not eligible for Salvation. They surely are. After all, Cain himself was offered the chance from God in Gen 4. Cain refused and preferred to do the will of his father Satan. Knowledge of the history of the Kenite as an enemy of God's people will open your eyes to many truths in the Word that you have never seen before. Spiritual understanding the Parables of Jesus is impossible without this knowledge. This knowledge is worth a special blessing from Our Father.For example, did you realize that in these final days that only two of the seven last times churches recieved praise from JESUS? Read REV chapters 2&3. These two churches were Smyrna and Philadelphia. Know what they had in common? They taught who these were that came from the synagogue of satan and yet claimed to be of Judah! In the present time it is these ones that teach the doctrine of men for the words of GOD. It is the ones that spout false doctrine which most Christians are eager to accept as truth rather than look it up in the WORD for themselves. DOES YOUR CHURCH TEACH WHO THESE FALSE ONES WERE AND NOW ARE? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE WORD KENITE BEFORE? Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (KJV) Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (KJV)I believe it is certain that the wheat and tares are within the same person. The word even prooves it (at least to me). I will give you some examples to elucidate what I mean. (Don't know if I agree with this part)First, a statement.It is true that the 'kenites' are a race, literally, the "children of Cain". I believe they have, as all Adamic peoples, so intermingled that there are as few pure Kenites as there are pure Shemites. Hence, the Kenites are not numerous. I think they are 'the small people' referred to in Dan 11:23. BUT, in any case, their RACE does not doom them to a life of evil. Their mind does. Thus, when a kenite has the actions of the first kenite, THAT dooms them to evil. It is the evil deeds that doom them, the same as evil deeds will doom a child of Israel. Remember that Cain himself was half Adamic. Only one of his parents was slewfoot.When a kenite, (or a member of any other race, for that matter) accepts and strives to follow Y'Shua, they are no longer a doer of evil, but a child of the King.Now, think a minute about the passage in Genesis 4, God's conversation with Cain after his offering was rejected. God offered Cain forgiveness "if he would do right" (V7)Cain did wrong, tho, he murdered Abel. This was the act that condemned, not his race.Now think a bit about Y'Shua's conversation with the preachers in Jn 8. Y'Shua was not telling them that they were not the PHYSICAL offspring of Abraham, for they were.(8:37). He was telling them that they were of mixed blood, and as a matter of fact, indeed part kenite,(V 44) and that according to the law, (Deu 23:2-study out the word "mamzer"- bastard) they had no business doing service in God's priesthood.. NOT because of RACE, but because of deeds (Jn 8:39-42) The key to tracing these people to the kenite-mixed Caananites lies not only in Joshua 9 (the Gibeonites), but we must put together some more of the Word, for the descendants of Midian as a Caananite tribe figures heavily in the priesthood, as well. Now we know Midian was a son of Abraham by Keturah. BUT, Midian was not a worshipper of YAH. (see who paid Baalam in Num 22:7) BTW, Moses' Father in law, a priest of Midian, was also not necessarily a worshipper of YAH. (Proof of that later) For example, the story in Numbers 25 about Cozbi (the Baal temple prostitute), indicates the sort of worship the Midianites did.After the slaughter of the Midianites in Num 31, we see in verse 30 that a portion of the Midianite children and virgin women were given to the Levites. The rest went to the other tribes. They were thus mixed in with Israel. They had Abrahamic blood, yes, but their lineage also included, by definition, fathers from other Caananite tribes, Moab, Midian, Ammon, and the Kenites as well. Face it, everyone has 2 separate grandfathers.Now, as to the preachers in Jn 8, they probably also were of the Gibeonites. (See Josh 9). These people of Gibeah became temple servants (Joshua 10), and mixed mostly with Benjamin (who was given to Judah). They were the perverts who molested the travellers' concubine in Judges 19:12 thru 20:43. In 1 Sam 13 and 14, Saul just about wiped them out altogether. But, we find them alive and working in the 'Levitical' Priesthood in Nehemiah 3:7 and 7:25. These preachers in Jn 8 also state "they were never in bondage" (Jn 8:33). Thus, they admit they were not of Israel, for all know Israel was certainly in bondage in Egypt at one time. Now, something strange here. THEY knew they were not of Israel, thus they must also have known why they were doing what they were doing to Y'Shua!! Now, I promised more on Jethro. OK. I know PM teaches Jethro was not a kenite. I know he says Jethro only lived in the land of the kenite. (Which BTW kinda proves that the land of Midian was kenite occupied, doesn't it?) BUT---nevertheless, I believe that Jethro, Moses father in law, Zippys' daddy, the grandfather of Moses 2 sons, was a Kenite!! In Spades. Why? Well, notwithstanding the Word states it in Judges 1:16, but also in Judges 4:11, you get more info, including names, you can trace even further. For instance, the kenites Jeremiah are talking to in Jer 35 are 'Rechabites" That these are Kenites, you can proove from 1 Chr 2:55. You also pick up more names here (Hemath) which we find again in Amos 6:14, and also, the family name Haman (as in the book of Esther) is of the same root. In 2 Samuel 4, we see that these kenites were intermixed with the tribe of Benjamin, also, along with the Gibeonites. Finally, we find their offspring building away in the book of Nehemiah, Chapter 3, verse 14.Well, now, back to why I think Moses Father in Law was a kenite. Moses had two sons, right? Was not Moses God's chosen Priest? Why, then, were AARON's sons instead of Moses sons chosen to continue the Priesthood? To me, the reason is stated in the Word. They were part kenite. Their grandaddy, Moses Father in law, Zippy's dad, was a Kenite!No-it is not race that dooms you, it is your actions without Y'Shua. Apparently, the sort of Cozbi-style baal-worship was going strong in Midian, and Jethro put up with it. A midianite Priest is one thing, but there is no evidence he was a priest of Yah. We have lots of priests nowadays, reverends too. They are not all of the same father.God Bless you in your StudyIn Y'ShuaBob
     
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    Well, now, back to why I think Moses Father in Law was a kenite. Moses had two sons, right? Was not Moses God's chosen Priest? Why, then, were AARON's sons instead of Moses sons chosen to continue the Priesthood? To me, the reason is stated in the Word. They were part kenite. Their grandaddy, Moses Father in law, Zippy's dad, was a Kenite!
    I don't think they were Kenite at all here's the reason I think AAron's sons were chosen to continue the priesthood.Exo 4:10 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. Exo 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Exo 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say. Exo 4:13 And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send. Exo 4:14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart. Exo 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. Exo 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
     
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    Part 4Mark 13:2929 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.When those things came to pass it was 1948. The generation that saw it are adults, middle age people of today. This prophecy came to pass.Mark 13:3030 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.This is Jesus talking, and you can count on what He said. It's in God's Holy Word. The Bible speaks of 40 year generations, 70 year generations, and 120 year generations. Which ever this is, it shall not pass away until God sends His angels to collect His elect, because this earth age is over at that point in time. Completed!Remember one thing from this chapter, if you forget all the rest; the Antichrist is coming to our generation, and His mission is to deceive all the people of the earth, except God's elect. Jesus started this chapter with a warning directly to you in verse 5. "Take heed lest any man deceive you".Most churches of today lead you to believe that God is going to draw you up to fly you out of here, and that is one of Satan's lies. It is not written in God's Word. What are you going to believe? Your very soul hinges on what you will believe. The choice is yours.Mark 13:3131 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.Mark 13:3232 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.We do not know the hour of our Lords return, but we know the season, and right up to the very end. We know we must see a One World Government, followed by the Antichrist.Then there will be a confrontation between the two witnesses, and the Antichrist will kill them both, the whole world will watch and celebrate their death. As these two witnesses lay in the street (wide place) in Jerusalem, they will come alive in three and one half days. (See Revelation 11 - or Two Witness Study).It is during this period of the Antichrist that He will call himself God. This is what Daniel calls "the abomination of desolation (desolator)", which Jesus refers to in Mark 13:14. This abomination marks the end of Satan, and the seventh (last) trumpet sounds. It is here that Jesus Christ, the "son of man" comes in all His glory as the "Lord of lords and King of kings". Revelation 19:16Friend, you won't know the hour, but you will be ready on that day, because Jesus has given us ample warning.By turning to Matthew 24, and reviewing each verse, Mark 13 will bear a second witness to Jesus' warning that we have read so far. Luke 21 is a third witness to this warning as well! All three of these chapters are warning you from Jesus lips Himself, teaching you the same thing!Our generation has ample warning, and God's elect will take heed to Jesus Christ's words. The elect will keep a watchful eye on current events, for those events are our guide posts as we move into this One World System, a political one.From there, we go into the religious "One World System" with the Antichrist at the head. This final time will be marked with many miracles, and supernatural wonders. It will happen, and don't let it throw you off guard. Know that God is allowing it, and Jesus himself told us to hold fast!Mark 13:32-37 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.Our study into the "Companion Bible, (King James) has revealed these truths, that we might know the truth and be free in Christ our Lord. As we serve Him and love Him with our whole hearts He will see us through every trial. We are to "take heed, watch and pray", keep our peace of mind and know that He alone is worthy to be praised in all things and wait patiently upon the Lord. Amen.This study was written by Roger D. Christopherson
    Greetings, n2thelight! What is the context of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21? What is the audience relevance? Jesus is not addressing us--He is speaking directly to His disciples standing right there with Him. All the things of which He warns them were to happen to THEM--their generation. The same is true of Matthew 10 where Jesus warns them of things they will encounter when they go out to the lost sheep of Israel. He ends by saying "YOU will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man COMES!" (verse 23).It was Jesus' first-century disciples and other first-century, pre-AD 70 saints who were to hear of wars and rumors of wars. They were to be hated and persecuted and killed. And very significantly, THEY were to see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet! They were not to be troubled; they were to take heed and not be deceived by false prophets and false Christs; they were to recognize the signs of His coming just as easily as they recognized the signs of the coming of summer in the budding of the fig tree and all the trees. All these things were to come upon THAT generation ("This generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place" Mt. 24:34)! And when THEY saw those things, THEY were to lift up THEIR eyes because THEIR redemption was drawing near!WE are not the YE!JesusReigns!
     
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    I have no fear of what the future holds, because my God holds the future.
     
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    Greetings, n2thelight! What is the context of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21? What is the audience relevance? Jesus is not addressing us--He is speaking directly to His disciples standing right there with Him. All the things of which He warns them were to happen to THEM--their generation.
    That would be incorrect. Those particular chapters are written to the generation of the fig tree not the generation that was right there with Jesus. It speaks specifically to his coming like a thief in the night which still hadn't happened when Paul later wrote so it would quite obviously not be that generation.Matthew 24:3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?It would be truly absurd to say, with you and I sitting here at our computers typing this out, that the world has ended!
    I have no fear of what the future holds, because my God holds the future.
    Agreed, but God also wrote this letter telling us what's going to happen and there's a reason we should know it.Matthew 24:32-34Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.Context, context, context!A little tin horn general is not the end of the world, not by any stretch of the imagination.Matthew 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
     
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    Greetings, n2thelight! What is the context of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21? What is the audience relevance? Jesus is not addressing us--He is speaking directly to His disciples standing right there with Him. All the things of which He warns them were to happen to THEM--their generation. The same is true of Matthew 10 where Jesus warns them of things they will encounter when they go out to the lost sheep of Israel. He ends by saying "YOU will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man COMES!" (verse 23). JesusReigns!
    Jesus reigns you must learn how to rightly divide the word, All of Gods word is a letter from him to us. For you to think this way would nullify most of the bible. It can serve to help us understand what is being said by knowing to who is being addressed in scripture.But context is equally important To say things like Christ wasn't speaking to us when addressing the disciples/apostles. Is just plain wrong thinking and will make understanding his word impossible. It is us he was specifically addressing through the Apostles/disciples and prophets This is why Jesus said over and over; "Have you not heard, it is written...", and then He quotes one of the prophets.
     
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    JesusReignsGreetings, n2thelight! What is the context of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21?
    Come on JR as my favorite Pastor likes to say,this is so simple a child could see it.The answer has already been given to you.Matthew 24:3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?Now do me a favor,go find any child that can read,and then ask him/her who this was written too.Come back and let me know what they say,I don't mean any harm or disrespect but if you can't follow the subject and object,you are going to have a very hard time understanding what is written.
     
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    That would be incorrect. Those particular chapters are written to the generation of the fig tree not the generation that was right there with Jesus. It speaks specifically to his coming like a thief in the night which still hadn't happened when Paul later wrote so it would quite obviously not be that generation.Matthew 24:3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?It would be truly absurd to say, with you and I sitting here at our computers typing this out, that the world has ended!Agreed, but God also wrote this letter telling us what's going to happen and there's a reason we should know it.Matthew 24:32-34Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.Context, context, context!A little tin horn general is not the end of the world, not by any stretch of the imagination.Matthew 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    The disciples did not ask about the end of the world, Denver, but about the end of the AGE (aion not kosmos). Again, Matthew 24 is not written to some fabricated "generation of the fig tree." Notice that Luke adds "and all the trees" (Luke 21:29). Jesus is speaking to His disciples when he repeatedly says YOU. THEY were to learn the parable of the fig tree--"Now [you] learn the parable of the fig tree . . . . when YOU see these things . . . . "Respectfully, Denver, this redefinition of the unambiguous and clear expression "this generation" is required of those who do not understand the nature of Jesus' second coming. He did come as a thief in the night--His disciples standing right there with Him were to watch and be ready because He was coming back in their lifetimes.The expression "this generation" is always used to define those contemporaneous with the speaker or writer--always. There are other ways Jesus could have clearly conveyed the idea you propose. But He didn't because that was not what He meant to convey. The demonstrative pronoun "this" clearly points to that specific generation and is used in exactly the same way in Matthew 23:36 which most scholars agree is a reference to AD 70! There is no difficulty placing the events of Matthew 24:29-31 within THAT generation if one understands Jesus' use of prophetic, apocalyptic figurative language commonly used by OT prophets to express God's coming in judgment upon a nation or people (see Isaiah 34 for example). Didn't Jesus Himself clearly say He was coming back to THAT generation?"You will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man COMES" (Mat. 10:23)."There are some standing HERE who will not taste death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom" (Mat. 16:28)."Hereafter, YOU (Caiaphas and the rulers) will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and COMING on the clouds of heaven" (Mat. 26:64).Are you sure you are correctly understanding the nature of Jesus' return? If Jesus makes such plain statements as those above, should we not take Him at His word?JesusReigns
     
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