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We still need to post why men wrote the bible to teach us to know God.
Well Lifelong...that's my point exactly.
Must leave after this...
I don't remember your posts to know what you believe, so I can't answer you directly. But I have responded to others, and if you read my responses, you have an idea.
You're trying to go off on a tangent because you are unable to grasp a very simple concept -- God uses wicked men to accomplish His righteous purposes, as seen in the crucifixion (and as seen in the life of Joseph and others). But the guilt belongs to the evildoers. However, your theology would make God guilty of sin! Even the Muslims don't make their Allah into a sinner.
God knows what I'm going to have for lunch but he does not choose my lunch. I think you keep missing just because God knew of mans future path does not mean that he made man take that path.
Sure you do. No worries.
LOL! What other authority is there than God Himself? My goodness. I have asked you before and I am now asking you yet again to show me ~ if you can ~ how you think I am misrepresenting God's Word. Or perhaps you just disregard God's Word altogether. Is that the case?
Oh, I'm well aware of Jehovah's Witnesses and their "reengineered" ~ in the 1830s, to suit what they believed ~ version of the Bible, the New World Translation. It's similar in that respect to the Book of Mormon, which Mormon's claim is another revelation of God from a supposed "Coming to America" (see what I did there?
) by Jesus, which is one of the things Jesus Himself warned about near the end of His earthly ministry.Well, there is the Judeo-Christianity of the Bible, and there is... everything else, including off-shoots of it, which are themselves something quite other than Biblical Judeo-Christianity.
LOL! No, Calvinists don't "blaspheme God." But I would like to how you think Calvinists "blaspheme God," and under what authority and understanding you come to that conclusion ~ what you use and how you support it. That would be... interesting.
Sure. Based on their heretical re-engineering of what the Bible actually says. Sure.
Sure, they add to the Bible, which is how a cult is defined. Yeah, like I said, there are a lot of wacked out folks out there. But hey, nothing new under the sun.
Sure you do. No worries.
LOL! What other authority is there than God Himself? My goodness. I have asked you before and I am now asking you yet again to show me ~ if you can ~ how you think I am misrepresenting God's Word. Or perhaps you just disregard God's Word altogether. Is that the case?
Oh, I'm well aware of Jehovah's Witnesses and their "reengineered" ~ in the 1830s, to suit what they believed ~ version of the Bible, the New World Translation. It's similar in that respect to the Book of Mormon, which Mormon's claim is another revelation of God from a supposed "Coming to America" (see what I did there?
Well, there is the Judeo-Christianity of the Bible, and there is... everything else, including off-shoots of it, which are themselves something quite other than Biblical Judeo-Christianity.
Jim Jones and his people were a Utopian/social change church movement... some really wacked out folks. And there are many off-shoots even of this today.
LOL! No, Calvinists don't "blaspheme God." But I would like to how you think Calvinists "blaspheme God," and under what authority and understanding you come to that conclusion ~ what you use and how you support it. That would be... interesting.
Like I said, thinking something ~ anything ~ is all well and good, but it really means nothing if you don't have anything solid to back it up.
Blasphemy is assigning the name of God to any person other than God Himself. This is what many thought Jesus was doing when assigning the name of God (from Exodus 3:14) to Himself in John 8:58. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unpardonable sin, is assigning evil ~ even the place that only Satan occupies ~ to God, Calvinists certainly don't do either. But yeah, let's hear what you have to say.
Sure. Based on their heretical re-engineering of what the Bible actually says. Sure.
Sure, they add to the Bible, which is how a cult is defined. Yeah, like I said, there are a lot of wacked out folks out there. But hey, nothing new under the sun.
Grace and peace to you.
See, TEXBOW, this is the issue, really. God's predestination concerns His salvation. Hyper-Calvinists would say that His predestination extends to all facets of the human life, but this is quite ridiculous. God's salvation is what "depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy" (Romans 9:16). God's salvation depends on His mercy and whether He extends it to any certain person or not. It doesn't have anything to do with what you do or don't decide to have for lunch, whether you choose to purchase a four-door sedan or an extended cab jacked up pick-up truck to drive...
... or any other run-of-the-mill (or very important) life choice between this or that that you make. You are perfectly autonomous in that sense. But with regard to God's salvation, no. Come on.Do you think He knows the future path of some/many, or all? I'm sure you would say all, so no need to answer. But that's a very important clarification to make, especially in view of what Paul says in the entire passage of Romans 8, but particularly Romans 8:29 and Romans 11:2, and specific to those verses, who he was referring to by "those whom he foreknew " (8:29) and "(God's) people whom He foreknew" (11:2). Observe:
As I have said, far be it from me to deprive you of your opinion... as if I could even do so...
Calvinism is not a "religion." But, yeah, I ~ as a "five-point Calvinist" ~ wholeheartedly agree with you in principle concerning the blasphemy of God, that it's a definite no-no.
Well that's the very reason that it does ~ absolutely ~ matter what passage is being referred to by John in chapter 3 of his gospel (and by Paul in Romans 10). God is His own arbiter.
Agreed. Absolutely. All those Biblical passages are absolutely consistent... and not inconsistent as you would (inadvertently) have them be. That's the point.
Like I said, Joel is referring to a specific group of people here, those whom the LORD calls. They are the ones who will call on the name of the LORD, after He calls them.
Sure. This is the general call of the Gospel, not God's effectual call that He issues through His Holy Spirit.
Wholeheartely agreed. And we can't manipulate Scripture to agree with what we think, but rather the other way around. But in our exchange, that's all you, my friend. All you.
Agreed again, but that's the effect of what you are saying ~ to make God appear to contradict Himself.
But you cannot deny that all of the above are prescriptive.
Yes, regarding the general call of God to the gospel and to repent and believe. But His effectual call, issued by His Spirit the hearts of men, only comes to His elect, each at his/her appointed time. This is what Jeremiah is saying ~ well, actually God ~ when he quotes God thusly:
Agreed. The Gospel, since the advent of Christ Jesus, is available in full to all.
