John Darby

[Keraz]

You apply incorrectly.

Bobby Jo

Revelation 12:6-17 is plainly referring to Christians, the offspring of the 'male child, destined to rule the nations....
Proved by verse 17...those who witness for Jesus.

YOU are in error, BJ and your useless interjections, bereft of scriptural support are of no value.

 

[Naomi25]

@Naomi25 I do love Romans 8!

One of my favourites too!

 

[Bobby Jo]

... your useless interjections, bereft of scriptural support are of no value.

Ohhhhhhh, you're so funny. I'd have coffee with you just to torment your "unusual doctrines". But that's OK, I expect we'll both find out the CORRECT version of events and Scripture within the next 14 months or so ...

Take Care,
Bobby Jo

 

[farouk]

One of my favourites too!

@Naomi25 With reason, indeed, I'm sure!

 

[Davy]

That's a stretch.

I said:
It won't begin until the pseudo-Christ shows up in Jerusalem at the end of this world.

You mean you're not familiar with Christ's Olivet discourse??

No wonder you think those events are past.

 

[Davy]

Right, so the iron/clay is still considered the 4th kingdom, which is still in force.

Rome rules Christianity in numbers and influence, which is exactly what this means....

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The final kingdom of the feet of iron mixed with clay is the 5th beast image part. Count the pieces in the Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture.

That final beast kingdom has NOTHING to do with Christianity.

It will have a LOT to do with Judaism at the end of this world, which system Jesus Christ will destroy and setup HIS Kingdom on earth instead. Did you get that o holy one?

 

[Davy]

Right, so the iron/clay is still considered the 4th kingdom, which is still in force.

Rome rules Christianity in numbers and influence, which is exactly what this means....

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Also... no TRUE Christian would ever... think that final beast of iron with clay represents Christianity. But that is what you are saying in the above statement in bold. Even a Christian who might think the pope is antichrist still would not point to Christianity as the Daniel 2 beast of feet of part iron and part clay!

I think you just revealed yourself as a follower of Judaism by the above, and also because of your belief against the New Covenant in Hebrews 8.

 

[Davy]

This is not my belief. Revelation 12:14 says the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety, far away from Jerusalem, for the final 1260 days.
Seems you are the one 'playing games' here.

Come on now, I've caught you saying the gathering to Christ to Jerusalem happens first, and then the tribulation.

 

[Truther]

How many more people are TIRED OF CATHOLIC BASHERS? They spout their hatred from the core of their ignorance, and act as though it's "Scriptural". What absolute HOG WASH:

“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, he is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”[1]

[1] Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929 p. 1392​

MOST people would pause and reflect, .-- but there's NO "CHECK" on this individual's IGNORANCE ...
Bobby Jo

Stating historical fact, not RCC "bashing".

 

[Truther]

2:45 Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE

REALLY,? -- Are you that removed from REALITY, both in Scripture and History?!?


Silly people ...
Bobby Jo

No, the iron clay mix is the same weakened iron nation.

 

[Truther]

You mean you're not familiar with Christ's Olivet discourse??

No wonder you think those events are past.

I told you I am a futurist.

 

[Truther]

The final kingdom of the feet of iron mixed with clay is the 5th beast image part. Count the pieces in the Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture.

That final beast kingdom has NOTHING to do with Christianity.

It will have a LOT to do with Judaism at the end of this world, which system Jesus Christ will destroy and setup HIS Kingdom on earth instead. Did you get that o holy one?

No, the feet of iron clay is iron. This is the 4th kingdom weakened with randomness.

 

[Truther]

Also... no TRUE Christian would ever... think that final beast of iron with clay represents Christianity. But that is what you are saying in the above statement in bold. Even a Christian who might think the pope is antichrist still would not point to Christianity as the Daniel 2 beast of feet of part iron and part clay!

I think you just revealed yourself as a follower of Judaism by the above, and also because of your belief against the New Covenant in Hebrews 8.

Catholicism is not Christianity, but false Christianity. A counterfeit.

 

[Marymog]

Catholicism is not Christianity, but false Christianity. A counterfeit.

Is Lutherism a "false Christianity"?

Curious Mary

 

[Davy]

I told you I am a futurist.

You really don't know what... you are, because the Daniel 2 beast image of the feet of part iron and part clay has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. The pope does NOT rule over Christianity. As a matter of fact, Christ's Church is not ruled over by ANY flesh man on earth.

ONLY Jesus Christ is The Head of His Church.

You would have known that if you were a Christian believer that had read The New Testament Bible.

 

[Davy]

No, the feet of iron clay is iron. This is the 4th kingdom weakened with randomness.

Nope. The final beast image piece of the feet of part iron and part clay represents they system the "man of sin" will sit over in the "temple of God" in Jerusalem at the end of this world, which Jesus Christ at His coming will destroy with the brightness of His coming (2 Thessalonians 2:3-9). The unbelieving Jews will... believe he is their Messiah, and will proclaim him as such, and will worship him in place of Christ. Such will be the end of the Judaism of the Pharisee crept in unawares. Jesus warned His to not believe it, even though that fake Messiah will work great signs and wonders, raining fire down from heaven in the sight of men.

 

[Davy]

Catholicism is not Christianity, but false Christianity. A counterfeit.

Your idea if it were true, is saying that the Christian Church didn't even begin until the Protestant rebellion centuries later! Ludicrous, and I'm not a Catholic, but a Protestant. My French ancestors even were Huguenots that migrated to the Americas because of persecution by the Catholic Church! Thus the doctrines you're following don't have their origin from Christianity and The Bible.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Millions of Catholics will be in heaven but millions will not==the question is did they believe the Word of God OR did they follow the ideas of little men???

 

[Davy]

Millions of Catholics will be in heaven but millions will not==the question is did they believe the Word of God OR did they follow the ideas of little men???

For these last days, it will depend on who falls away to worship the coming spurious Messiah in Jerusalem, not whether they are Catholic or Protestant.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Millions of Catholics will be in heaven but millions will not==the question is did they believe the Word of God OR did they follow the ideas of little men???

Be careful, because YOU may be with the "millions" who "will not", because of YOUR false ideas.


Bobby Jo