Latter Day Saints Site Falsely Teaches Works Salvation

[dev553344]

I’m not persecuting you. But the fact that you don’t practice what YOU believe makes your entire argument hypocritical and mote.

Not true. It's only the LDS church that doesn't practice what I preach as well as some other churches. And I just quoted the bible. I don't say that I will be saved by obeying the commandments in faith. That's something the LDS church teaches. What I taught is that you won't be saved that way.

What I taught was that only mercy from God will save us.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Not true. It's only the LDS church that doesn't practice what I preach as well as some other churches. And I just quoted the bible. I don't say that I will be saved by obeying the commandments in faith. That's something the LDS church teaches. What I taught is that you won't be saved that way.

What I taught was that only mercy from God will save us.

Dev, I'm asking what YOU believe. I asked:

Dev, do you believe that it is required for a person to literally give away all of their possessions to be saved? Have you done that? A simple “yes” or “no” answer will suffice.

You replied:

Yes I do believe it is a requirement if you want to receive that promise Jesus made to the rich man

If you misspoke, then please clarify what YOU believe.

 

[dev553344]

Dev, I'm asking what YOU believe. I asked:

You replied:

If you misspoke, then please clarify what YOU believe.

I see that you are not understanding what I'm teaching which is from the bible. Ok let's break this down:

1. Jesus made a promise to the rich man that he would be saved if he gave away all his possessions to the poor. He couldn't do that and perhaps no one except the church described in the bible did. So no one is guaranteed salvation that way. Which is obeying the commandments. It is required to be perfect to receive that salvation.

2. Since we are not guaranteed salvation that way we must look to God to have mercy as a sinner as spelled out in the parable of the Tax collector and Pharisee.

3. By the way I have heard it argued that faith is a work of the soul and mind, just as obeying the commandments are a work of the soul and body. But having faith alone will not save us as it is dead.

4. So having faith and obeying the commandments are both provided by us. Not God, and we need the atonement and judgment of Christ to be saved.

Therefore the only conclusion I can draw from reading the bible is only mercy from God will save us apart from what we provide which is works of faith and attempting to obey the commandments perfectly.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I see that you are not understanding what I'm teaching which is from the bible. Ok let's break this down:

1. Jesus made a promise to the rich man that he would be saved if he gave away all his possessions to the poor. He couldn't do that and perhaps no one except the church described in the bible did. So no one is guaranteed salvation that way. Which is obeying the commandments. It is required to be perfect to receive that salvation.

2. Since we are not guaranteed salvation that way we must look to God to have mercy as a sinner as spelled out in the parable of the Tax collector and Pharisee.

3. By the way I have heard it argued that faith is a work of the soul and mind, just as obeying the commandments are a work of the soul and body. But having faith alone will not save us as it is dead.

4. So having faith and obeying the commandments are both provided by us. Not God, and we need the atonement and judgment of Christ to be saved.

Therefore the only conclusion I can draw from reading the bible is only mercy from God will save us apart from what we provide which is works of faith and attempting to obey the commandments perfectly.

So YOU do or do not believe it is requirement to give everything literally away to be saved?

 

[ButterflyJones]

And we wonder why the church is divided.

 

[dev553344]

So YOU do or do not believe it is requirement to give everything literally away to be saved?

That question doesn't appear to reflect what I've been teaching. OK, well I think we're going round and round by now. I think I made my points clear.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Well I think we're going round and round by now. OK I think I made my points clear.

frankly, no. I’ve asked point blank questions, seeeking clear answers. You gave one, but then seemed to withdrawal it(?). So I re-asked for clarification and you are refusing to answer. It is the opposite of clear.

 

[dev553344]

frankly, no. I’ve asked point blank questions, seeeking clear answers. You gave one, but then seemed to withdrawal it(?). So I re-asked for clarification and you are refusing to answer. It is the opposite of clear.

Well maybe you should ask the apostles of Jesus. They in fact had everyone in common and there was no rich or poor among them. And they probably did that because it was good and pleased God. They probably had more hope for salvation too. What do you think?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Well maybe you should ask the apostles of Jesus. They in fact had everyone in common and there was no rich or poor among them. And they probably did that because it was good and pleased God. They probably had more hope for salvation too. What do you think?

When I want to seek God’s truth, I’ll ask Him search the scriptures.

But for this conversation I am asking YOU what YOU believe. You alone can answer that question. Do YOU believe it is required for salvation to literally give everything away?

 

[dev553344]

When I want to seek God’s truth, I’ll ask Him search the scriptures.

But for this conversation I am asking YOU what YOU believe. You alone can answer that question. Do YOU believe it is required for salvation to literally give everything away?

Hmm did I say that in order to be saved you have to give away all your possession to the poor Jane. I've been in sort of a discovery mode here so please tell me which post I said that so I can review it for accuracy.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hmm did I say that in order to be saved you have to give away all your possession to the poor Jane. I've been in sort of a discovery mode here so please tell me which post I said that so I can review it for accuracy.

Post 68

 

[dev553344]

Post 68

I see you left out the most important part in that question. Had you said do you think the rich man had to give away all his possessions to be saved than I would have been able to answer that question. I'll quote what I said from post #68:

"Yes I do believe it is a requirement if you want to receive that promise Jesus made to the rich man"

 

[dev553344]

Remember @Jane_Doe22 the rich man wanted to be saved by obeying the commandments. So Jesus answered him justly so. Does your church teach that also to some degree?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Remember @Jane_Doe22 the rich man wanted to be saved by obeying the commandments. So Jesus answered him justly so. Does your church teach that also to some degree?

I am asking what YOU believe. Point blank for a clear answer. If you do not know, it’s fine to say so. But I am admittedly very frustrated by non-answering

 

[dev553344]

I am asking what YOU believe. Point blank for a clear answer. If you do not know, it’s fine to say so. But I am admittedly very frustrated by non-answering

I think that Jesus offered the rich man a type of promise of salvation. Remember the rich man wanted to know what good thing he could do to be saved. Not if God loved him enough to save him. It went something like this:

Matthew19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

He was asking what works he could do to be saved and Jesus made him a promise. And yes he failed.

Now does that mean that all men need that same promise and to obey the commandments to be saved.

The whole point of what I have been describing from the bible is that your works must be perfect in order for them to save you via that prmoise. If not then you will require some other method of salvation from Jesus. Such as mercy. Now I think I've gone round in circles again.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I think that Jesus offered the rich man a type of promise of salvation. Remember the rich man wanted to know what good thing he could do to be saved. Not if God loved him enough to save him. It went something like this:

Matthew19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

He was asking what works he could do to be saved and Jesus made him a promise. And yes he failed.

Now does that mean that all men need that same promise and to obey the commandments to be saved.

The whole point of what I have been describing from the bible is that your works must be perfect in order for them to save you via that prmoise. If not then you will require some other method of salvation from Jesus. Such as mercy. Now I think I've gone round in circles again.

Thank you for an answer.

Just make sure something is super clear: nobody here believes that you are saved by works.

 

[Cassandra]

I wasn't correcting. I was just saying that the Royal Law was established pretty much from the get go.

That is different then having literally the same income. A person can live in a socialist economy where literally everyone has the same paycheck, but hearts are far from Him and there’s no love between each other. And vise versa: different incomes but truly lovingGod and your neighbor.

I wasn't correcting. I was just saying that the Royal Law was established pretty much from the get go. in OT and NT

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

I had two young "Mormons" over a few months ago so I could preach the gospel. They were there twice once for 45 min then 1 hr 20min. I used The Holy Bible to back up all that I said. They are in a cult and I prayed us out so I hope their eyes were open. the stuff they believed didn't even make sense. The fact that you work to become your own god over your own planet. That is insane. Jesus is Satan are brothers, that is even worse. how all the writings from Joseph Smith were in upstate New York and they believe that over all the writings of the authors found over the Middle East regions. They were brain washed.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I had two young "Mormons" over a few months ago so I could preach the gospel. They were there twice once for 45 min then 1 hr 20min. I used The Holy Bible to back up all that I said. They are in a cult and I prayed us out so I hope their eyes were open. the stuff they believed didn't even make sense. The fact that you work to become your own god over your own planet. That is insane. Jesus is Satan are brothers, that is even worse. how all the writings from Joseph Smith were in upstate New York and they believe that over all the writings of the authors found over the Middle East regions. They were brain washed.

Actual "Mormon" here: Jesus Christ is my Savior. The divine Son of God. I first came unto Him at a very young age (~4) and He has been my Lord & foundation since then. I love Him with every fiber of my being. I am a saved Christian, even according to Protestant theology. I love all of God's words, and first read the Bible cover to cover at age 9, and continue to regularly dive into now.

If you want to call me a "cultist" or "brainwashed" upon not know me or my beliefs, you can (you can do whatever). But I don't find such accurate. If you want to see my love of the Savior, just ask.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I had two young "Mormons" over a few months ago so I could preach the gospel. They were there twice once for 45 min then 1 hr 20min. I used The Holy Bible to back up all that I said. They are in a cult and I prayed us out so I hope their eyes were open. the stuff they believed didn't even make sense. The fact that you work to become your own god over your own planet. That is insane. Jesus is Satan are brothers, that is even worse. how all the writings from Joseph Smith were in upstate New York and they believe that over all the writings of the authors found over the Middle East regions. They were brain washed.

The odd thing that started the whole movement was when Smith claimed the angel Maroni showed him gold tablets hidden in a cave and containing sacred writings, and insured JS would recall all that was written on them.
Then when JS went into town afterward and reported to someone all that happened, he took them to that cave. And low and behold the tablets were gone.
That proved his story according to the person he'd brought along.

No evidence proved his story?
It was downhill from there as far as any chance of reason being relative to the teachings of JS.