Man's Preterism, An Abomination

[ScottA]

Scott you intentionally disregard the facts of scripture below as if they don't exist "SAD"!

You clearly see the words heavens, earth, elements, dissolved, fervent heat

Scott this existing heavens and earth will be dissolved, melted, down to its very elements, you're not going to redefine the English language seen below, or remove God's words before your eyes

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You are still looking at everything through the lens "of this world." But understanding is "higher as God is higher." Can you not understand even that?

What did you think the transition from time to eternity would be like?

I have told you what it is like, but you have not comprehended it.

 

[ScottA]

Scott you claim to have and reveal Daniel's sealed "Little Book", your claim is 100% Malarkey!​

"This Is That Book Now Revealed"?​

"Quote Scott Allen Below" ​

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St. John’s Mystery - Revealed​

2024 - The apostle John was given a preview of a “little book” (in the book of Revelation), that was then to be sealed until a time just before the end.

This is that time, and this is that book—now revealed!

Mockers and scoffers were also to come

 

[grafted branch]

I agree, Christ shall come physically! Do you deny Christ also comes to man through His Spirit when they are born again?

I’m not arguing against your position here, just wondering how you might interpret 2 Corinthians 5:8.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Do you see a “coming” of the Lord when a believer dies? That state of being present with the Lord doesn’t exist while we are in the body and the condition of being present with the Lord continues for eternity once we are absent from the body. Looking at it from the perspective of a believer, once that person dies and is present with the Lord, the Lord wouldn’t come again for them, they are simply present with Him forever more.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are still looking at everything through the lens "of this world." But understanding is "higher as God is higher." Can you not understand even that?

What did you think the transition from time to eternity would be like?

I have told you what it is like, but you have not comprehended it.

Scott your doctrine is false and found no place in scripture, it can best be described as "The King Has No Clothes" and that's being nice

 

[Truth7t7]

Mockers and scoffers were also to come

False prophets and teachers are also to come

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, each one in his own order speaks of spiritually building the Kingdom of God in heaven as the gospel is proclaimed and one by one souls are being eternally saved. Then when time given this earth for building the Kingdom of God in heaven, the last trumpet will sound that Christ has come again and all who have been saved will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, and God will send fire down upon the whole earth preparing the way for the new heaven and new earth where the saints of Christ shall be with Christ throughout eternity.

No, that is not what each one in his own order means. I cannot believe that you would agree with someone who is 100% lacking in spiritual discernment like ScottA. Each in his own order refers to BODILY resurrections.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Read the above text carefully in context. The context relates to the bodily resurrection of the dead specifically. In verse 20 Paul refers to Christ's bodily resurrection from the dead and that by being bodily resurrected from the dead, He had "become the firstfruits of them that slept". What that means is that His bodily resurrection unto bodily immortality, which was the first resurrection of its kind, made it possible for the dead in Christ to also be resurrected unto bodily immortality in the future. In verse 22 Paul indicates that all of the dead in Christ will be made alive (will be bodily resurrected unto bodily immortality). The order Paul gives is that Christ's resurrection itself was first in order. That matches other verses like Acts 26:23 which says that Christ was the first to be resurrected from the dead. The context is that He was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Paul wrote in verse 23 that the timing of the dead in Christ to be resurrected unto bodily immortality is at Christ's future second coming. So, Christ's resurrection was the first in order. Next in order to be resurrected unto bodily immortality will be all of the dead in Christ at His second coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Two different worlds, JLB. The resurrection is an entirely new world - a spiritual world, not earthly. In the spiritual world, also known as heavenly Jerusalem or the Kingdom of Heaven, there is no such thing as marriage.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

The Greek word translated there as "world" is "aion". Other translations translate the word as "age". It's a word related to time, not different worlds. In that passage, Jesus was comparing a time during which people get married and they die to an age to come during which people will no longer get married or die. The age to come is eternal and has clearly not yet come since people are still getting married and dying.

 

[rwb]

I’m not arguing against your position here, just wondering how you might interpret 2 Corinthians 5:8.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Do you see a “coming” of the Lord when a believer dies? That state of being present with the Lord doesn’t exist while we are in the body and the condition of being present with the Lord continues for eternity once we are absent from the body. Looking at it from the perspective of a believer, once that person dies and is present with the Lord, the Lord wouldn’t come again for them, they are simply present with Him forever more.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

While we live, Christ, through His Spirit comes to believers when we are born again. The Spirit will not leave us before the redemption of our physical resurrected body of flesh. When a believer dies, our body returns to dust of the earth, and we, as spiritual body, called living soul returns to God spiritually alive in heaven where we will be with Christ until the seventh trumpet sounds that time given this earth shall be no longer. Then as spiritual body we will return with Christ (1Th 4:14) to give life to our resurrected immortal body that shall be raised. Because the body without a spirit profits nothing, life comes from spirit.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Philippians 1:20 (KJV) According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

 

[ScottA]

Scott your doctrine is false and found no place in scripture, it can best be described as "The King Has No Clothes" and that's being nice

Everything I have told you is written--you even quoted much of if--making for no excuse.

But many will not "see" until they pass from this world. "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

 

[ScottA]

False prophets and teachers are also to come

The blind have many friends.

 

[rwb]

No, that is not what each one in his own order means. I cannot believe that you would agree with someone who is 100% lacking in spiritual discernment like ScottA.

You accuse Scott of lacking in spiritual discernment while you have no spiritual understanding of ETERNAL LIFE!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You accuse Scott of lacking in spiritual discernment while you have no spiritual understanding of ETERNAL LIFE!

If you think you and him are not lacking in discernment as it relates to 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, then how about addressing what I said in post #86 and show that? It seems that all you can ever do anymore is divert attention by bringing up other topics instead of addressing the topic at hand.

 

[JLB]

When the Spirit of the Lord dwells within man that is Christ' coming through HIS Spirit. That's why before leaving this world Christ tells us He would come again soon, and that He is near. This is not Christ coming again in human form, but it is nonetheless Him coming to us, showing us that through His Spirit in us we can be with Him in heaven, where He is! Heaven, the spiritual habitation of God, no man could go without Christ being in us through His Spirit. And when His Spirit came to each believer as we are born again, we obtained entrance into heaven so that we could be with Christ forever. Believers don't have to wait for Christ to come the second time to be with Him and He to be with us. He is with us always through His Spirit unto the end of the world.

John 14:18 (KJV) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:2-4 (KJV) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Matthew 18:20 (KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Matthew 28:20 (KJV) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We're fixated on this physical/material world, but the Kingdom of God that is within every believer is not spiritually bound in this world. Through His Spirit in us, we have both KNOWN and ENTERED the Kingdom of God that is now in heaven and within us through Christ's Spirit in us. We cannot be with Christ physically until He comes again to make all things new, but we are spiritually with Christ through His Spirit in us forever, SPIRITS of men made perfect being justified according to grace through faith, and nothing, not even being in a body of flesh can separate us from Him.

Hebrews 12:22-23 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Just as Christ ascended to the heavenly realm above, so too, we who have been born again of His Spirit have been made spiritually alive and raised up spiritually together with Him in the realm of God.

Ephesians 1:19-20 (KJV) And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Ephesians 2:5-6 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Romans 8:33-39 (KJV) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The coming of the Lord is when Jesus Christ returns and gathers His church at the resurrection and rapture and removes the wicked.


so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28


A second time.

The second coming of Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

It seems that all you can ever do anymore is divert attention by bringing up other topics instead of addressing the topic at hand.

I feel the same way regarding your posts that divert away from the topic in discussion

 

[ScottA]

No, that is not what each one in his own order means. I cannot believe that you would agree with someone who is 100% lacking in spiritual discernment like ScottA. Each in his own order refers to BODILY resurrections.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Read the above text carefully in context. The context relates to the bodily resurrection of the dead specifically. In verse 20 Paul refers to Christ's bodily resurrection from the dead and that by being bodily resurrected from the dead, He had "become the firstfruits of them that slept". What that means is that His bodily resurrection unto bodily immortality, which was the first resurrection of its kind, made it possible for the dead in Christ to also be resurrected unto bodily immortality in the future. In verse 22 Paul indicates that all of the dead in Christ will be made alive (will be bodily resurrected unto bodily immortality). The order Paul gives is that Christ's resurrection itself was first in order. That matches other verses like Acts 26:23 which says that Christ was the first to be resurrected from the dead. The context is that He was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Paul wrote in verse 23 that the timing of the dead in Christ to be resurrected unto bodily immortality is at Christ's future second coming. So, Christ's resurrection was the first in order. Next in order to be resurrected unto bodily immortality will be all of the dead in Christ at His second coming.

Wow, you are guilty of adding sooo much to what is actually written!

You glorify the flesh!

But you error...and apparently believe that the resurrection is all about the flesh--or some glorified version of it. But the flesh glories not, but returns to the dust.

Nor is there biblically such a thing as "glorified flesh." You mentioned Christ--but apparently do not know that "the third day" He is not glorified in the flesh, but in the Spirit--for such is the glory of God. Which also defines His return--for He comes "in the glory of the Father."

 

[Truth7t7]

No, that is not what each one in his own order means. I cannot believe that you would agree with someone who is 100% lacking in spiritual discernment like ScottA. Each in his own order refers to BODILY resurrections.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Read the above text carefully in context. The context relates to the bodily resurrection of the dead specifically. In verse 20 Paul refers to Christ's bodily resurrection from the dead and that by being bodily resurrected from the dead, He had "become the firstfruits of them that slept". What that means is that His bodily resurrection unto bodily immortality, which was the first resurrection of its kind, made it possible for the dead in Christ to also be resurrected unto bodily immortality in the future. In verse 22 Paul indicates that all of the dead in Christ will be made alive (will be bodily resurrected unto bodily immortality). The order Paul gives is that Christ's resurrection itself was first in order. That matches other verses like Acts 26:23 which says that Christ was the first to be resurrected from the dead. The context is that He was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Paul wrote in verse 23 that the timing of the dead in Christ to be resurrected unto bodily immortality is at Christ's future second coming. So, Christ's resurrection was the first in order. Next in order to be resurrected unto bodily immortality will be all of the dead in Christ at His second coming.

We don't agree on everything, but you have it 100% correct here, as rwb and ScottA are way out in left field trying to find the dugout

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow, you are guilty of adding sooo much to what is actually written!

You glorify the flesh!

But you error...and apparently believe that the resurrection is all about the flesh--or some glorified version of it. But the flesh glories not, but returns to the dust.

Nor is there biblically such a thing as "glorified flesh." You mentioned Christ--but apparently do not know that "the third day" He is not glorified in the flesh, but in the Spirit--for such is the glory of God. Which also defines His return--for He comes "in the glory of the Father."

Your claim is blasphemy in my opinion, you deny the immortal glorified body of Jesus Christ after his resurrection "Sad"

Jesus rose from the grave in a tangible body of flesh and bone that could appear and disappear from human sight, a body that could be handled and ate earthly food

Scripture clearly teaches that the believer will receive a glorified immortal body of flesh and bone at the second coming and resurrection of all, just as Jesus

 

[IndianaRob]

I have NO personal version. I revealed what The Bible Scripture actually states, particular what Lord Jesus said in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is NOT... of this present world, but people like you choose to believe MEN instead of Lord Jesus. That means you are not what I would call a real Christian, so I will have nothing to do with you.

Be honest, you completely ignored all the verses I gave you that point to the second coming being in the past. If your version was true it would completely harmonize with those verses but it doesn't.

 

[Truth7t7]

But many well not "see" until they pass from this world. "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Is that like follow ScottA and his teachings or your going to end up in Hell?

P.S. the spelling is "Will" not "Well"

 

[Truth7t7]

Be honest, you completely ignored all the verses I gave you that point to the second coming being in the past. If your version was true it would completely harmonize with those verses but it doesn't.

The second coming of Jesus Christ is in the past?

"100% False Doctrine"!