Mark of the Beast?

[Heart2Soul]

Very good post, I would have to dive into Revelation again, but there is a belief though the mark of the beast will be quite literal, don't think I have read anything that suggests a chip would be inserted in the palm of your hand as that being the mark to buy and sell.

There is also the interpretation that those that are true Christians would be already caught up in the clouds even before the events of Rev 13 and 14 happen, and the 144,000 will be Jewish evangelists (turned Christian) on this earth during the tribulation.

I think we got to ask the question would a God of grace that loves us so much, that sent his only Son to die for our sins, who resurrected on the third day, that has his promises of grace to those who believe, would he really put real Christians through the Tribulation in Revelation?

I sent you a PM...

 

[Heart2Soul]

base12 claims on his website that Hoggard is his favorite teacher or pastor. But disagrees with you and him?
Here's base12's website >>> (same pictures too, as posted on this forum, btw)... the same? different?
On other sites he claims reincarnation is real and happens, and disputes everyone who disagrees with him.

"Proof Reincarnation is Biblical - Most Holy Place
www.mostholyplace.com › book-02_chapter-k0z
This is going to be a basic “Meat and Potatoes” study on whether or not Reincarnation is Biblical. Many verses will be provided as Witnesses to prove this out."

I don't have to agree with everything he says.....no one seems to be 100% on what the Bible says....I am a student of His Word and I continually seek His Wisdom on it....I ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the hidden wisdom of God and I also pray to know the Mysteries of God that is for an appointed time.
I am grounded in Him, His Word and His Spirit and when I am in error the Holy Spirit shows me.....either in prayer, or even here I have learned somethings.
I am teachable.....hungry for more knowledge.....more of Him....and I don't put God in a box and regurgitate every thing I have ever been taught by denominations....I search the scriptures for myself and I let the Holy Spirit lead me into all truth.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Good and Right and Truthful here.

As Josho requested, I'm starting a thread about this question. It is VERY PERTINENT for you, here.

Thank you, you keep derailing my threads....lol.

 

[Base12]

base12 claims on his website that Hoggard is his favorite teacher or pastor. But disagrees with you and him?
Here's base12's website >>> (same pictures too, as posted on this forum, btw)... the same? different?
On other sites he claims reincarnation is real and happens, and disputes everyone who disagrees with him.

"Proof Reincarnation is Biblical - Most Holy Place
www.mostholyplace.com › book-02_chapter-k0z
This is going to be a basic “Meat and Potatoes” study on whether or not Reincarnation is Biblical. Many verses will be provided as Witnesses to prove this out."

Oh Joseph77... lol. You're too much.

BTW, I made a thread on this already...

If Children come from Hell, how did they get there to begin with?

It was even featured, which means the folks here are fully capable of discussing and handling different opinions. You should give them more credit.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I have an IDEA:

If you understood what the BEAST was, you'd probably come closer to what the MARK is.

I.e., if the BEAST is the RCC, there might be a religious connotation; if the BEAST is a Computer, there might be a digital connotation; and so forth.


Until you figure out the motivation, you probably won't guess the methodology.
Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

imperfect

And there it is. The number of the beast, and it's that simple.

 

[Helen]

Man 2.0 is on the way and we will soon become obsolete.

We are talking about changing the DNA of every cell in the Body in an attempt to become 'Gods'...

Genesis 3:5
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil"

It's that old promise the Serpent made with Mankind... that we 'shall not surely die'.

I'm convinced this Global Pandemic is because we 'added' unto DNA which is the Word of God in our Cells...

Revelation 22:18
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

I warned this would happen in other Forums after China created those Designer Babies not too long ago.

I was able to prepare months in advance for this... even to the point of moving to a new state and small town.

Ah, now I see, thank you.
You may have some 'strange ideas', strange because they are 'different' , and not the same old run of the mill stuff which people fall back on.
People don't like that, they like to feel comfortable and pretend that 'they know', when it is obvious that they don't know or understand any more than the next guy.

Thanks for explaining in this post.
You do at least cause us to think.
Good point about the mark of Cain, as that was put on him to protect him from death, I am guessing satan's mark will be a something similar ...as he cannot create he can only copy or imitate Gods work .

 

[Helen]

I have an IDEA:

If you understood what the BEAST was, you'd probably come closer to what the MARK is.

I.e., if the BEAST is the RCC, there might be a religious connotation; if the BEAST is a Computer, there might be a digital connotation; and so forth.


Until you figure out the motivation, you probably won't guess the methodology.
Bobby Jo

When you are 100% convinced that you have nailed it...let us all know

 

[Base12]

This is extremely valuable to me as I never considered Cain's mark.....now I have to go study it.
You sure you don't want to write a book?!

Only if I get to give it away for free. :cool:

This is actually the perfect thread to post some theories on the Mark of Cain. Please feel free to share this post elsewhere or use it however you folks here see fit. No Copyrights are attached.

Let's start off with the most obvious issue...

Leviticus 24:17
"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death"

The verse clearly states that punishment for murder is death. So why wasn't Cain put to death for the murder of Abel? Some argue that the Death Sentence wasn't a Law yet.

OK, even if that were True, doesn't it seem like Cain just got away with committing a terrible crime? The story of Cain goes on to tell of marriage, children, building a city, etc. What kind of punishment is that?

Not so fast! Cain may have actually been 'put to death' after all, just like Leviticus 24:17 commands.

How can this be?

The answer lies in the Mark of Cain...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Was it a Tattoo? A Barcode? A Microchip Implant? Sunday Worship Laws? Was it even visible?

The answer lies in the verse itself. It's incredibly subtle, but it's there none the less. We will review it step by step...

Whosoever slayeth Cain
This one is obvious. This is speaking of anyone who successfully slays Cain, which they will as we will soon discover.

Vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold
Aha! Now we know what the punishment was for Murder at that time. Seems there was a Law after all. The punishment for Murder is to to have 'sevenfold' vengeance. But what is that? We will look at that later.

Set a Mark upon Cain
This is the mysterious Mark we are trying to understand. And guess what? The Mystery is revealed in the next part of the verse...

Lest any finding him should kill him
This is teaching that Cain *CAN* be killed... but at the same time it is teaching that Cain *CAN'T* be killed! Say what?!? What kind of crazy contradiction is this?

The verse is not in contradiction when we simply understand the verse in its most literal sense and try not to add any preconceived notion to it.

I believe the way to understand the verse is this...

Genesis 4:15 (Base12 Interpretation)
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore [each time someone] slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him [permanently]"

In other words, Cain *will* be killed, but it won't be permanent. It will happen over and over again! Each time this happens, sevenfold vengeance is taken on the murderer.

But how can this be? How can Cain be killed over and over again? The reason is because the Mark of Cain was a temporary form of *IMMORTALITY*. Each time Cain was slayed, he came back to life.

Now I know what some folks are thinking...

"That is the most ridiculous, most un-Biblical thing I have ever heard!!!" "How can a dead person come back to life?" "Ban this idiot off the Forum NOW!!!"

Really?

1 Corinthians 15:4
"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

Is it really so hard to believe that someone can rise from the dead? Obviously, Cain wasn't Jesus, so how about a more fitting example...

Revelation 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

Now things begin to make sense. Here we have a Being who can die and come back to life again who is in fact, associated with a Mark...

Revelation 19:20
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone"

And what do you know? Those that take the Mark of the Beast receive a TEMPORARY FORM OF IMMORTALITY...

Revelation 9:6
"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them"

BAM! The above verse is teaching us exactly what the Mark of the Beast is designed to do. It is to prevent Death. It is the promise of the Serpent in the Garden...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

It is the very thing we see happening right before our eyes with this current Global Pandemic. Those that take the COVID-19 Vaccine will be allowed to buy and sell via 'Surveillance Tag'. Those that don't take the Vaccine face endless quarantines and won't be allowed into supermarkets.

Oh sure, it may just be an Arm Band now or some form of Digital ID. Maybe even a Tattoo or Microchip.

But...

Eventually it will be a Mandatory DNA change to 'correct' the Genes responsible for Flu, Cancers, etc. This Pandemic is simply a Trial Balloon to gather the necessary data in order to successfully implement the next 'phase'. The Human Race just took a Quantum Leap into the Book of Revelation.

So, long story short... Cain *did* receive the Death Penalty. Several times over.

As Jesus died so that the Saved may live forever, Abel may have died for a similar cause. It may have been a 'Deal with the Devil'...

Hebrews 12:24
"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"

The Word of God is literally teaching us that indeed Abel *WAS* a sacrifice to gain Temporary Immortality, but that the sacrifice of Jesus was BETTER because we gain PERMANENT IMMORTALITY and *we* become the Human Sacrifice...

Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service"

See that?

In other words, it may be that Cain sacrificed Abel in order to gain Immortality from Satan. This is something we hear about even now in cases involving Satanic Rituals.

OK, that's a lot to ponder. Just a few more things...

The name 'Cain' has been debated as to what it means. I've discovered that some trace the Etymology of the word Cain to mean 'Buy and Sell'.

That's right... the name of the Beast in the Book of Revelation may in fact be Cain!

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

This is why 'The way of Cain' is associated with Transhumanism...

Jude 1:11
"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

What is the 'Way of Cain'?

Go back a few verses...

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

And there you have it. The 'Way of Cain' is the same as the Sons of God having children with the Daughters of Men. To become 'Mighty Men'. To become 'like the Gods'. To cheat Death and to become Immortal.

It's the Way of Cain people...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

Time to wake up.

Oh, and about the 'Sevenfold Vengeance'?

How many heads does Cain the Beast have?

;)

 

[Waiting on him]

I have an IDEA:

If you understood what the BEAST was, you'd probably come closer to what the MARK is.

I.e., if the BEAST is the RCC, there might be a religious connotation; if the BEAST is a Computer, there might be a digital connotation; and so forth.


Until you figure out the motivation, you probably won't guess the methodology.
Bobby Jo

Ecclesiastes 3:18 KJV
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Only if I get to give it away for free. :cool:

This is actually the perfect thread to post some theories on the Mark of Cain. Please feel free to share this post elsewhere or use it however you folks here see fit. No Copyrights are attached.

Let's start off with the most obvious issue...

Leviticus 24:17
"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death"

The verse clearly states that punishment for murder is death. So why wasn't Cain put to death for the murder of Abel? Some argue that the Death Sentence wasn't a Law yet.

OK, even if that were True, doesn't it seem like Cain just got away with committing a terrible crime? The story of Cain goes on to tell of marriage, children, building a city, etc. What kind of punishment is that?

Not so fast! Cain may have actually been 'put to death' after all, just like Leviticus 24:17 commands.

How can this be?

The answer lies in the Mark of Cain...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Was it a Tattoo? A Barcode? A Microchip Implant? Sunday Worship Laws? Was it even visible?

The answer lies in the verse itself. It's incredibly subtle, but it's there none the less. We will review it step by step...

Whosoever slayeth Cain
This one is obvious. This is speaking of anyone who successfully slays Cain, which they will as we will soon discover.

Vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold
Aha! Now we know what the punishment was for Murder at that time. Seems there was a Law after all. The punishment for Murder is to to have 'sevenfold' vengeance. But what is that? We will look at that later.

Set a Mark upon Cain
This is the mysterious Mark we are trying to understand. And guess what? The Mystery is revealed in the next part of the verse...

Lest any finding him should kill him
This is teaching that Cain *CAN* be killed... but at the same time it is teaching that Cain *CAN'T* be killed! Say what?!? What kind of crazy contradiction is this?

The verse is not in contradiction when we simply understand the verse in its most literal sense and try not to add any preconceived notion to it.

I believe the way to understand the verse is this...

Genesis 4:15 (Base12 Interpretation)
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore [each time someone] slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him [permanently]"

In other words, Cain *will* be killed, but it won't be permanent. It will happen over and over again! Each time this happens, sevenfold vengeance is taken on the murderer.

But how can this be? How can Cain be killed over and over again? The reason is because the Mark of Cain was a temporary form of *IMMORTALITY*. Each time Cain was slayed, he came back to life.

Now I know what some folks are thinking...

"That is the most ridiculous, most un-Biblical thing I have ever heard!!!" "How can a dead person come back to life?" "Ban this idiot off the Forum NOW!!!"

Really?

1 Corinthians 15:4
"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

Is it really so hard to believe that someone can rise from the dead? Obviously, Cain wasn't Jesus, so how about a more fitting example...

Revelation 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

Now things begin to make sense. Here we have a Being who can die and come back to life again who is in fact, associated with a Mark...

Revelation 19:20
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone"

And what do you know? Those that take the Mark of the Beast receive a TEMPORARY FORM OF IMMORTALITY...

Revelation 9:6
"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them"

BAM! The above verse is teaching us exactly what the Mark of the Beast is designed to do. It is to prevent Death. It is the promise of the Serpent in the Garden...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

It is the very thing we see happening right before our eyes with this current Global Pandemic. Those that take the COVID-19 Vaccine will be allowed to buy and sell via 'Surveillance Tag'. Those that don't take the Vaccine face endless quarantines and won't be allowed into supermarkets.

Oh sure, it may just be an Arm Band now or some form of Digital ID. Maybe even a Tattoo or Microchip.

But...

Eventually it will be a Mandatory DNA change to 'correct' the Genes responsible for Flu, Cancers, etc. This Pandemic is simply a Trial Balloon to gather the necessary data in order to successfully implement the next 'phase'. The Human Race just took a Quantum Leap into the Book of Revelation.

So, long story short... Cain *did* receive the Death Penalty. Several times over.

As Jesus died so that the Saved may live forever, Abel may have died for a similar cause. It may have been a 'Deal with the Devil'...

Hebrews 12:24
"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"

The Word of God is literally teaching us that indeed Abel *WAS* a sacrifice to gain Temporary Immortality, but that the sacrifice of Jesus was BETTER because we gain PERMANENT IMMORTALITY and *we* become the Human Sacrifice...

Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service"

See that?

In other words, it may be that Cain sacrificed Abel in order to gain Immortality from Satan. This is something we hear about even now in cases involving Satanic Rituals.

OK, that's a lot to ponder. Just a few more things...

The name 'Cain' has been debated as to what it means. I've discovered that some trace the Etymology of the word Cain to mean 'Buy and Sell'.

That's right... the name of the Beast in the Book of Revelation may in fact be Cain!

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

This is why 'The way of Cain' is associated with Transhumanism...

Jude 1:11
"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

What is the 'Way of Cain'?

Go back a few verses...

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

And there you have it. The 'Way of Cain' is the same as the Sons of God having children with the Daughters of Men. To become 'Mighty Men'. To become 'like the Gods'. To cheat Death and to become Immortal.

It's the Way of Cain people...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

Time to wake up.

Oh, and about the 'Sevenfold Vengeance'?

How many heads does Cain the Beast have?

;)

7

 

[Heart2Soul]

7

Only if I get to give it away for free. :cool:

This is actually the perfect thread to post some theories on the Mark of Cain. Please feel free to share this post elsewhere or use it however you folks here see fit. No Copyrights are attached.

Let's start off with the most obvious issue...

Leviticus 24:17
"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death"

The verse clearly states that punishment for murder is death. So why wasn't Cain put to death for the murder of Abel? Some argue that the Death Sentence wasn't a Law yet.

OK, even if that were True, doesn't it seem like Cain just got away with committing a terrible crime? The story of Cain goes on to tell of marriage, children, building a city, etc. What kind of punishment is that?

Not so fast! Cain may have actually been 'put to death' after all, just like Leviticus 24:17 commands.

How can this be?

The answer lies in the Mark of Cain...

Genesis 4:15
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him"

Was it a Tattoo? A Barcode? A Microchip Implant? Sunday Worship Laws? Was it even visible?

The answer lies in the verse itself. It's incredibly subtle, but it's there none the less. We will review it step by step...

Whosoever slayeth Cain
This one is obvious. This is speaking of anyone who successfully slays Cain, which they will as we will soon discover.

Vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold
Aha! Now we know what the punishment was for Murder at that time. Seems there was a Law after all. The punishment for Murder is to to have 'sevenfold' vengeance. But what is that? We will look at that later.

Set a Mark upon Cain
This is the mysterious Mark we are trying to understand. And guess what? The Mystery is revealed in the next part of the verse...

Lest any finding him should kill him
This is teaching that Cain *CAN* be killed... but at the same time it is teaching that Cain *CAN'T* be killed! Say what?!? What kind of crazy contradiction is this?

The verse is not in contradiction when we simply understand the verse in its most literal sense and try not to add any preconceived notion to it.

I believe the way to understand the verse is this...

Genesis 4:15 (Base12 Interpretation)
"And the LORD said unto him, Therefore [each time someone] slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him [permanently]"

In other words, Cain *will* be killed, but it won't be permanent. It will happen over and over again! Each time this happens, sevenfold vengeance is taken on the murderer.

But how can this be? How can Cain be killed over and over again? The reason is because the Mark of Cain was a temporary form of *IMMORTALITY*. Each time Cain was slayed, he came back to life.

Now I know what some folks are thinking...

"That is the most ridiculous, most un-Biblical thing I have ever heard!!!" "How can a dead person come back to life?" "Ban this idiot off the Forum NOW!!!"

Really?

1 Corinthians 15:4
"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"

Is it really so hard to believe that someone can rise from the dead? Obviously, Cain wasn't Jesus, so how about a more fitting example...

Revelation 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

Now things begin to make sense. Here we have a Being who can die and come back to life again who is in fact, associated with a Mark...

Revelation 19:20
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone"

And what do you know? Those that take the Mark of the Beast receive a TEMPORARY FORM OF IMMORTALITY...

Revelation 9:6
"And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them"

BAM! The above verse is teaching us exactly what the Mark of the Beast is designed to do. It is to prevent Death. It is the promise of the Serpent in the Garden...

Genesis 3:4
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

It is the very thing we see happening right before our eyes with this current Global Pandemic. Those that take the COVID-19 Vaccine will be allowed to buy and sell via 'Surveillance Tag'. Those that don't take the Vaccine face endless quarantines and won't be allowed into supermarkets.

Oh sure, it may just be an Arm Band now or some form of Digital ID. Maybe even a Tattoo or Microchip.

But...

Eventually it will be a Mandatory DNA change to 'correct' the Genes responsible for Flu, Cancers, etc. This Pandemic is simply a Trial Balloon to gather the necessary data in order to successfully implement the next 'phase'. The Human Race just took a Quantum Leap into the Book of Revelation.

So, long story short... Cain *did* receive the Death Penalty. Several times over.

As Jesus died so that the Saved may live forever, Abel may have died for a similar cause. It may have been a 'Deal with the Devil'...

Hebrews 12:24
"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel"

The Word of God is literally teaching us that indeed Abel *WAS* a sacrifice to gain Temporary Immortality, but that the sacrifice of Jesus was BETTER because we gain PERMANENT IMMORTALITY and *we* become the Human Sacrifice...

Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service"

See that?

In other words, it may be that Cain sacrificed Abel in order to gain Immortality from Satan. This is something we hear about even now in cases involving Satanic Rituals.

OK, that's a lot to ponder. Just a few more things...

The name 'Cain' has been debated as to what it means. I've discovered that some trace the Etymology of the word Cain to mean 'Buy and Sell'.

That's right... the name of the Beast in the Book of Revelation may in fact be Cain!

Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

This is why 'The way of Cain' is associated with Transhumanism...

Jude 1:11
"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core"

What is the 'Way of Cain'?

Go back a few verses...

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

And there you have it. The 'Way of Cain' is the same as the Sons of God having children with the Daughters of Men. To become 'Mighty Men'. To become 'like the Gods'. To cheat Death and to become Immortal.

It's the Way of Cain people...

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

Time to wake up.

Oh, and about the 'Sevenfold Vengeance'?

How many heads does Cain the Beast have?

;)

This is getting deep.....let me meditate and think on it....look up a few scriptures and pray.
Thank you for sharing!

 

[Bobby Jo]

When you are 100% convinced that you have nailed it...let us all know

That's not how I work. Scripture and History agree, but most don't know either one. And so what they means nothing to the uninformed. Thus each person MUST be informed so that they can TRULY JUDGE both the LAW (Scripture) and the EVIDENCE (History) to reach a correct VERDICT.

And at this point people run away because FACTS (Scripture and History) threatens their comfort zone.

Welcome to christianity/human nature,
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
The answer lies in the Mark of Cain...

I don't believe that "Cain" was a one-world-government.

Perhaps to assume a parallel comparison, is as "assume" is accused.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Oh, and about the 'Sevenfold Vengeance'?
How many heads does Cain the Beast have?

How many "SEVENS" are in Scripture (463) -- AND THEY"RE ALL ASSOCIATED!!!

The Dan. 9:24 "SEVENTY" are "SEVENTY WEEKS OF VENGEANCE".
​

Whew,
Bobby Jo



To All,

There is no shortage of bizarre doctrines. In the '60's the source was usually drugs, but today EVERY WACKY IDEA has merit, and rational thinking is repudiated.

2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Cooper]

Pure guess work on my part, obviously great wealth is involved, wealth means power, and strength comes from armies and weapons. Beast does not have to be a single man but a group of men possibly a rich powerful nation? Now think of an aggressive nation that is symbolised by an aggressive animal, and I come up with a bear. Now think of a godless nation that might fit that description. I'm thinking of Russia.
.

 

[Timtofly]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

Yes, the Truth of God's Word is being revealed. Thank God.

666 is the branded curse on Adam's human descendants. When Solomon elevated the result of human labor and it's rewards above the Wisdom of God, that was Solomon's sin against God.

Modern technology is all about economy. As relating to 666 it is just a new way of expressing labor and it's rewards. Economy is not a sin in it's ability to multiply labor, because labor and economy is the punishment. Sin is when you put money, economy, and labor ahead of God. You cannot serve both God and economy. You cannot escape punishment though, you still have to work. You sin when you forget God and enjoy your labor, and it's reward.

That is what Satan will convince humanity in his revealed human form soon. 666 will not be forced. It will be worn proudly in Solidarity with Satan. Those who hold back will not have to worry. The sooner the head is chopped off, the less temptation there will be to sin.

 

[Timtofly]

Now this is copy and paste from the Biblical Hermeneutics site: Significance of Solomon's 666 talents of gold?
(so was some of the stuff in my OP)
This is also mentioned in 2 Chronicles 9 verse 13. This chapter showcases the zenith of Israel power and wealth, with Solomon collecting 666 talents of gold per year. It's generally read as a coincidence with the New Testament Book of Revelations reference to 666 as the mark of the beast.

REVELATIONS chapter 13 verse 18:

[16] Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, [17] so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. [18] This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six. [NRSV]

It's possible to read this as a prophesy connected with the same numerical accounts written in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles. Today, what we call the "Greek Septuagint" would have been considered holy scriptures by those practicing Judaism within most of the Roman Empire, including it's sect of Christianity. The entire New Testament was written in Greek, and it's canon added to that of the Septuagint. Those Scriptures accounting for Solomon's Gold were available to the Apostle Paul and the author of Revelations.

We may ask why the author of Revelations use 666 as the code of for the mark of the Beast. There are 2 choices, either it was an arbitrary number, or it was relevant to something else. If it was relevant to something else, then it could be referencing Solomon's Gold.

Reading Revelations chapter 13 verse 18 we see a couple of possible coincidences ...or relevancies. If it is to be read as relevant to Solomon's Gold then we can look at similarities to the Chapter and Verse structure, like so...

2 Chronicles chapter 9 verse 13. (a) 666 occurs in chapter 13 of Revelations but verse 13 in Chronicles.

(b) 666 occurs in verse 18 of Revelations but 2 Chronicles chapter 9 in Chronicles. 2 X 9 = 18

(c) 6 occurs 3 times. 18 divided by 6 = 3. 3 "6s" are Arabic numerals for 666.

(d) Arabia is also providing Gold to Solomon, as mentioned in the verse from 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles.

(E) During the era when the New Testament was written, Greek was common written language of the Roman Empire, because Alexander the Great had previously established Greek Culture and the Greek Language as the International Language of his empire. That held true during the Roman Empire, except that the persons running Government, who were considered the wise ones, and their legal administrators, used the Latin Alphabet and wrote Roman Law in Latin.

... it was common to use Code during the Roman Empire, where numbers were associated with letters, in their order within the proper alphabet. When reading Revelations as supernatural prophesy, it's possible to believe that the code was written for modern times, and only fully understandable at the "proper time".

... for instance, if hypothetically it were relevant to today, as supernatural prophecy, we could attempt to crack the code, like so...

... first lets consider the instructions within Revelations. a) we need to calculate the number. b) it requires someone with "wisdom". c) and it lets us know that everyone who follows the beast will have the mark on their forehead or arm.

... --in Roman times, voting was common for politicians. Someone who votes would receive a mark on their forehead or arm so they wouldn't vote twice. -- it requires "wisdom" someone who can read the Latin alphabet to associate numbers to letters. Solomon collected Gold from Arabia, so lets try Arabic numerals 666. Lets try associating the digits to Latin characters: many have tried that and failed. Let's try the 18th character because the verse in Revelations was the 18th verse. That gives an (R). Revelations says we need to "calculate the number" lets try that. Revelations says that it's the number of the name. Let's also try that: A full name has three names, first middle and last. Let's divide the whole name by 3, from 18, to get 6 for each name: first, middle and last. or in Arabic numerals 6-6-6.

So, (R) would be representative of the 18th verse. We can calculate a political name for someone with the mark of (R) and get 6-6-6. And, we can figure that everyone who votes for the Politicians with the mark of the (R) as receiving the politicians through their voting mark for the (R) candidate. They would not be able to buy or trade unless they endorsed the (R) political movement, or The Beast. And, the Beast would be trying to replicate Solomon's Gold at all cost.

There, that's an example of how to crack the code assuming it is relevant to Kings and Chronicles. And that it supernaturally was relevant to today's day and time. (R) would be the actual mark of the Beast, and it has to be calculated, and it has to be the number of the name. And it requires wisdom (Knowledge of Latin alphabet, and the ability to associate with Arabic numerals, which of course today everyone can do that.)

The problem is because we have been taught the beast is a human, born and bred.

Revelation 13 says:

Satan creates his own image (Adam) like God did.

Satan breaths life into Satan's Adam like God did.

Satan declares his Adam to be Christ, like God did through Paul: The first Adam was of the flesh. The second Adam was God in human flesh.

 

[Timtofly]

BTW...

I believe the Mark of Cain is the same as the Mark of the Beast.

The mark of Cain was a seal of protection. Being cursed was the punishment. Cain was not stripped of being a Son of God. In order to identify him as a human the number 666 darkly defining sin on his forehead through the glorified body would set him out in a crowd to show who he truly was.

 

[Joseph77]

The mark of Cain was a seal of protection. Being cursed was the punishment. Cain was not stripped of being a Son of God. In order to identify him as a human the number 666 darkly defining sin on his forehead through the glorified body would set him out in a crowd to show who he truly was.

God created humans, to reproduce humans. All else , as if to reproduce with other things, is a false teaching, through and through.

The habitual sin of mankind, the continual sin of men, is noted in Scripture... and dealt with.

"Question: "How can I overcome a habitual sin?"

Answer: The first thing to consider in how to overcome habitual sin is to note the change, or transformation, that takes place when a person is saved. The Bible describes the natural man as “dead in sin and trespasses” (Ephesians 2:1).

As a result of Adam’s fall into sin, man is born spiritually dead. In this state of spiritual death, man is unable and unwilling to follow and obey God and habitual sin naturally follows."

How can I overcome a habitual sin? | GotQuestions.org


i.e. mankind, INFLUENCED by demons, and by sinful flesh, continues to make up stories , myths, disobediently, opposed to God, contrary to all His Word.