So now @Michiah-Imla, knowing the whole story about Lot do you think you chose the right scripture to support your rationale?
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Using it as a weapon to destroy another person's faith is wrongly applying God's Word.
This is a great verse there.Faith is precisely what I was encouraging.
@farouk just ignored my faith exalting post which is why proceeded to use the word like Jesus did:
“…with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.” (Isaiah 11:3-4)
That scandalous scene included Lot offering his virgin daughters to appease the evil Sodomites (Genesis 13). What kind of father does that?
Key word: "He" "His"...Faith is precisely what I was encouraging.
@farouk just ignored my faith exalting post which is why proceeded to use the word like Jesus did:
“…with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.” (Isaiah 11:3-4)
I have experienced times of God's protection. But He has often chosen to allow me to suffer. Regardless, whether we are rescued or not, is not a barometer of our faith. Serving Him in the face of suffering is. But .... that's not what this thread is about.Let me share a personal experience.
One early morning while it was still dark outside I had to walk to my job. I had to walk through a long portion of a road through an area known for murders and high crimes. It was quiet, no cars, no pedestrians other than me.
As I was walking suddenly I saw 4 men coming up a side street onto the road I was walking on coming in my direction. Two crossed the street to intercept me. I then started praying silently for God’s protection while continuing my walking pace towards them.
When the two got close, I walked past them. Then one of them blurted out, “yo, let me get that juice” (I was carrying a drink). I turned around without hesitation and gave him the juice and then turned around and kept walking.
Let me tell you, before I was a Christian, if this happened, I would have panicked and God only knows how that might have turned out!
I believe farouk has great faith in God's Word to perform what it says it will do.This kind:
“And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished” (2 Peter 2:7-9)
@farouk doesn’t seem to think that God can deliver the godly.
They need self-defense to deliver themselves!
Nowhere in scripture does it say that Lot was perfect and did everything the way he should have. Just because that's what he did, doesn't mean he made the right decision. He was in that sinful place for so long, it's a wonder he even came out at all. The angels had to take them by the hand and pull them out ...his wife looked back, Lot rejected God's leading to go to a certain place and bargained with God to go to a closer city, then his daughters get him drunk and sleep with their own father ....and he let that happen. Just sick all the way around. These people were warped .....it was Abraham's prayers that saved them.
I know Lot was vexed by what he witnessed there, but somehow, he didn't escape there too willingly, nor did he escape without some major spiritual baggage.
Lot knew those men were wicked and they wouldn't have taken his daughters anyway. They were not only homosexual, but these people were having sex with fallen angels. They were willing to have sex with angels ....that says a lot!!
@Heart2Soul Your comments are typically very sound and appreciated.Sorry to step in and derail the thread....I will move on.
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Thank you.@Heart2Soul Your comments are typically very sound and appreciated.
I believe farouk has great faith in God's Word to perform what it says it will do.
If your understanding is correct then should there be any martyrs existing today? I am certain that many who have been martyred for their Christian faith prayed and asked God to protect them from the enemy who was about to take their life...yet they willingly gave their life instead of renouncing their faith.
It's a difficult topic about whether to fight, run, or just take the punishment and pray that God will deliver us.
I have cried out JESUS!!! moments before an ex boyfriend was about to stab me with a knife and when I cried out JESUS SAVE ME!!!
He put the knife down and walked away.
But I can't say that has happened each time.
Lol...good point!A Powerful testimony. Thanks.
I see that scenario, at the one crying out having FEAR Reverence in the Lord, and the attacker having a Reality Check, of their FEAR Afraid of the Lords Power.
Let me share a personal experience.
One early morning while it was still dark outside I had to walk to my job. I had to walk through a long portion of a road through an area known for murders and high crimes. It was quiet, no cars, no pedestrians other than me.
As I was walking suddenly I saw 4 men coming up a side street onto the road I was walking on coming in my direction. Two crossed the street to intercept me. I then started praying silently for God’s protection while continuing my walking pace towards them.
When the two got close, I walked past them. Then one of them blurted out, “yo, let me get that juice” (I was carrying a drink). I turned around without hesitation and gave him the juice and then turned around and kept walking.
Let me tell you, before I was a Christian, if this happened, I would have panicked and God only knows how that might have turned out!
The problem is not necessarily with learning how to defend yourself. It is the religion/philosophy behind martial arts that can be a problem.should Christians use martial arts for self defense like karate, judo TKD?