Mary the Queen of Heaven?

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Pro. 16:18 (MKJV) Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Great verse – but completely irrelevant to the evidence presented . . .

 

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Peter is Greek "Petros" (a stone or boulder); rock, in this verse, is Greek "Petra" (massive bedrock or a cliff). The Rock is the Lord Jesus Christ and it is upon HIMSELF that he builds his assembly.

I'm REALLY clad you brought this up.
Time for a Bible Lesson . . .

The problem with your Greek argument is that Jesus and the Apostles didn’t speak Greek. They he spoke Aramaic. The Aramaic word for “Stone” – small OR large, is “Kepha(s).” There is NO other word in Aramaic for stone . . .

What Jesus actually said was, “And so I say to you, you are KEPHA, and upon this KEPHA I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”
This is why Peter is referred to as Cephas in many of Paul’s letters, because Cephas is the closest Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, Kepha.

There is another problem for you anti-Catholics . . .
Petra is a feminine Greek noun and could HARDLY be used to describe a man, so the word was translated as Petros in the Greek Scriptures because it was being used in reference to a man. Jesus clearly appointed Peter as earthly head of the Church and Chief Apostle here in Matthew’s Gospel as well as Luke 22:31-32, where He told Peter that he prayed for him (ALONE) to strengthen the other Apostles in his absence. And in John 21:15-19, where he told Peter 3 times to feed his sheep and tend His flock.

If Peter wasn't in charge, then -
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did NOT put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge nor even the first chosen by Jesus??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles - even though he was NOT the first chosen (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13), if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned MORE often than ALL the other disciples combined if He was not in charge??

The assembly universal is comprised of all those who have genuine faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. It has no headquarters; and its head is the Lord Jesus Christ,

Yup. What it is NOT made up of are untold Millions of people who have faith in Him - but have decided to pick and choose which doctrines they will adhere to, like a BUFFET . . .

Faith is NOT simply “believing” in Christ.
Even the DEMONS believe (James 2:!7) . . .

ot a blasphemously titled "pope"!

"Pope" is simpoly a term of endearment - NOT an official TITLE of the Bishop of Rome.

It's probably best if you take some time off of this forum and do a little HIMEWORK to avoid further embarrassmsnt . . .

 

[David1701]

I'm REALLY clad you brought this up.
Time for a Bible Lesson . . .

The problem with your Greek argument is that Jesus and the Apostles didn’t speak Greek. They he spoke Aramaic. The Aramaic word for “Stone” – small OR large, is “Kepha(s).” There is NO other word in Aramaic for stone . . .

What Jesus actually said was, “And so I say to you, you are KEPHA, and upon this KEPHA I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”
This is why Peter is referred to as Cephas in many of Paul’s letters, because Cephas is the closest Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, Kepha.

There is another problem for you anti-Catholics . . .
Petra is a feminine Greek noun and could HARDLY be used to describe a man, so the word was translated as Petros in the Greek Scriptures because it was being used in reference to a man. Jesus clearly appointed Peter as earthly head of the Church and Chief Apostle here in Matthew’s Gospel as well as Luke 22:31-32, where He told Peter that he prayed for him (ALONE) to strengthen the other Apostles in his absence. And in John 21:15-19, where he told Peter 3 times to feed his sheep and tend His flock.

If Peter wasn't in charge, then -
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did NOT put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge nor even the first chosen by Jesus??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles - even though he was NOT the first chosen (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13), if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned MORE often than ALL the other disciples combined if He was not in charge??


Yup. What it is NOT made up of are untold Millions of people who have faith in Him - but have decided to pick and choose which doctrines they will adhere to, like a BUFFET . . .

Faith is NOT simply “believing” in Christ.
Even the DEMONS believe (James 2:!7) . . .

"Pope" is simpoly a term of endearment - NOT an official TITLE of the Bishop of Rome.

It's probably best if you take some time off of this forum and do a little HIMEWORK to avoid further embarrassmsnt . . .

Pro. 16:18 (MKJV) Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

 

[sondring7]

Did your abomination told you Jesus failed to build his church?

Jesus said in Matthew 16:18, And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Is that the "Body of Christ" church that only Paul mentions ?