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[The Learner]

This is not a topic I care to discuss. I am an eternalist which is neither side.
Texts used to support Calvin's doctrine are written from God's view of things.
Texts strickly Free Will are written from a Pastorial view.
All the texts are inspired by God.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

This is not a topic I care to discuss. I am an eternalist which is neither side.
Texts used to support Calvin's doctrine are written from God's view of things.
Texts strickly Free Will are written from a Pastorial view.
All the texts are inspired by God.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.

Bye....

But before you go I do wish that people would stop calling it Calvins doctrin when it properly should merely be called predestination.

John Calvin was an obviously sick man and Martin Luther also taught a form of predestination.

Hatfields and McCoys

I am neither.... not the way those on here believe....

But before you assume Free Will is not biblical... Do you honestly believe that while forming Eve from Adam that God instilled in them to sin? I believe it was by choice... the man snake knew how to get to the girl.
And she knew how to entice her husband.....

 

[The Learner]

Bye....

But before you go I do wish that people would stop calling it Calvins doctrin when it properly should merely be called predestination.

John Calvin was an obviously sick man and Martin Luther also taught a form of predestination.

Hatfields and McCoys

I am neither.... not the way those on here believe....

But before you assume Free Will is not biblical... Do you honestly believe that while forming Eve from Adam that God instilled in them to sin? I believe it was by choice... the man snake knew how to get to the girl.
And she knew how to entice her husband.....

I have no problem with free will. I forget the main Free Will author who responded to Calvin. I no longer have John Wesley's set. There is a ministry in Flowerview Michigan that my wife had me donate thousands of books to. They set up Seminary libraries overseas where people can not affoard to buy books.
I like John's teachings on holiness.

 

[The Learner]

Last time I was forced to take an IQ series of tests, my scores were off the charts.

 

[One 2 question]

I have no problem with free will.

Just a quick question. Do you have a problem with God exercising His sovereignty to cast many humans and angelic beings into the lake of fire and forcing them to remain in there forever? Is He free to act in this way? Or has He got some restrictions placed on Him? What happens when my will and His will clash? Whose will comes to pass?

Ok, sorry, it ended up being a few questions.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Last time I was forced to take an IQ series of tests, my scores were off the charts.

Good for you....

I am limited to 139.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Just a quick question. Do you have a problem with God exercising His sovereignty to cast many humans and angelic beings into the lake of fire and forcing them to remain in there forever?

John Calvin did not. Calvin said "while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death " (Calvin: Predestination)

Calvinism’s exclusive doctrines position it in an untenable place when it comes to people spending eternity in hell. They offer various responses to allay the indefensible entailments of Calvinism that consign people to hell (the reprobate non-elect class) (Calvinism and the Problem of Damnation and Hell)

Is He free to act in this way? Or has He got some restrictions placed on Him?

He has no restrictions.

What happens when my will and His will clash? Whose will comes to pass?

He wins. Never forget that

Ok, sorry, it ended up being a few questions.

 

[The Learner]

New #119
Amos 6:10e

"We must not mention the name of the Lord.”

ASV "we may not make mention of the name of Jehovah."

CEB
"We mustn’t mention the name of the Lord.”

DARBY
we may not make mention of Jehovah's name.
CJB "we mustn’t mention the name of Adonai.”

NWT For it is not the time to make any mention of the name of Jehovah.’”
adds words not in the Hebrew to avoid this command!!! lol

 

[One 2 question]

John Calvin did not. Calvin said "while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death " (Calvin: Predestination)

Calvinism’s exclusive doctrines position it in an untenable place when it comes to people spending eternity in hell. They offer various responses to allay the indefensible entailments of Calvinism that consign people to hell (the reprobate non-elect class) (Calvinism and the Problem of Damnation and Hell)


He has no restrictions.


He wins. Never forget that

Thanks. I believe that some, known as those IN CHRIST in this current age, are chosen specifically and therefore predestined to join Christ in His coming global government as ministers or officials.

Then after that, all human beings, dead or alive will be brought before God and He will send them either to the left or right. Those on the right will join Christ and His established government on the earth. The others on the Judge's left will go to the Lake of fire where they deserve to go and remain forever.

But I love this twist in God's plan. God Who is the Judge Who administered His judgement previously, banishing certain beings to the Lake of fire, now puts on His (only in my estimation) His preferred character like putting on your clothes over one's underwear.

From then on God is seen as the loving, mercify, gracious, forgiving, gracious Person He's always been.

I like the picture of a supreme court judge. He wakes us next to his wife as a husband. He drives his children to school as a dad. He goes to work as a judge. Did he cease to be any of these throughout the day? No. His role and function change dependant on the situation (bedroom, car or courtroom).

I can't wait to be with God in the New Jerusalem on the new earth and when He ceases from carrying out His role and function as Judge, Who then relaxes on His throne as the loving, merciful, gracious Father.
Oh what a day that will be.

But the greatest (in my estimation) twist is coming after this. This blows my mind. It has transformed my life.

To be continued.....

 

[One 2 question]

Thanks. I believe that some, known as those IN CHRIST in this current age, are chosen specifically and therefore predestined to join Christ in His coming global government as ministers or officials.

Then after that, all human beings, dead or alive will be brought before God and He will send them either to the left or right. Those on the right will join Christ and His established government on the earth. The others on the Judge's left will go to the Lake of fire where they deserve to go and remain forever.

But I love this twist in God's plan. God Who is the Judge Who administered His judgement previously, banishing certain beings to the Lake of fire, now puts on His (only in my estimation) His preferred character like putting on your clothes over one's underwear.

From then on God is seen as the loving, mercify, gracious, forgiving, gracious Person He's always been.

I like the picture of a supreme court judge. He wakes us next to his wife as a husband. He drives his children to school as a dad. He goes to work as a judge. Did he cease to be any of these throughout the day? No. His role and function change dependant on the situation (bedroom, car or courtroom).

I can't wait to be with God in the New Jerusalem on the new earth and when He ceases from carrying out His role and function as Judge, Who then relaxes on His throne as the loving, merciful, gracious Father.
Oh what a day that will be.

But the greatest (in my estimation) twist is coming after this. This blows my mind. It has transformed my life.

To be continued.....

The devil and his angels (God's angels who follow the devil) will go into everlasting fire.

But, there is more. At some stage in eternity, those in the lake of fire will repent and be forgiven, restored, redeemed and reconciled to their God and Creator.

The fire may be everlasting but those in it will be led out of it by the Devil to return to their Creator. God's love will move Him to redeem all who repent, the blood of the Lamb will be so effective as to cleanse all sin and rebellion from all within God's creations.

Wow! This is a fantastic hope that we have in our Creators and Their love for Their creations.

Then there is even more. God, while sitting on His throne, reaches behind Himself and slides another throne to His left, prepared for the restored angelic being, known as the devil.

What an amazing demonstration of the character of God Who is LOVING Father and Creator. Now that is totally amazing grace at possibly its greatest.

 

[ChristisGod]

God predestined Jesus to be crucified on the cross, God chose Pharoh to do his will in that crucifixion.

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◄ Acts 2:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. New Living Translation But God knew what would happen, and his prearranged plan was carried out when Jesus was betrayed. With the help of lawless Gentiles, you nailed him to a cross and killed him. English Standard Version this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. Berean Standard Bible He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. Berean Literal Bible Him delivered up by the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands

Gods will be done on earth...i also believe that God predestines everything to occur....including my life as a non believer, that was all predestined by God....and I know the reason behind it....Gods ways and thoughts are beyond yours or my comprehension.

As his written word says, he works everything out according to the council of “ His Will”.

Spiritual Blessings
…10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel ofHis will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.…


God has a plan from the beginning to the end .

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YES!!!...”I” believe it is.

What did Pharaoh have to do with Jesus crucifixion

 

[Ritajanice]

What did Pharaoh have to do with Jesus crucifixion

I think I got mixed up names...I have no idea why I said what I said...thanks for picking me up on it......it was Pontus Pilate I believe that ordered the crucifixion of Jesus.

I don’t know everything, neither do I need to.

I don’t have to read scripture morning noon and night..I don’t need to know the history of the Bible either I’m led by the Spirit to do the will of God, I’m also his spirit child.

I’m very tired and starting to get confused.

Apologies everyone I thought/this was the tulip thread ,it’s been a long day...I’m off to bed...

 

[One 2 question]

God predestined Jesus to be crucified on the cross, God chose Pharoh to do his will in that crucifixion.

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◄ Acts 2:23 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. New Living Translation But God knew what would happen, and his prearranged plan was carried out when Jesus was betrayed. With the help of lawless Gentiles, you nailed him to a cross and killed him. English Standard Version this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. Berean Standard Bible He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. Berean Literal Bible Him delivered up by the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands

Gods will be done on earth...i also believe that God predestines everything to occur....including my life as a non believer, that was all predestined by God....and I know the reason behind it....Gods ways and thoughts are beyond yours or my comprehension.

As his written word says, he works everything out according to the council of “ His Will”.

Spiritual Blessings
…10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel ofHis will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.…


God has a plan from the beginning to the end .

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YES!!!...”I” believe it is.

This truth is awesome. To know that Jesus has been predestined to reign as King of kings over a global government which will never end, is amazing.

I can't wait to come back here with this God appointed global King and restore this earth They created.

And to know that we are being chosen out from amoungst all the tribes on this planet to be put in Christ for this very purpose, is incredible. Yes, He started with representatives from 12 tribes but then according to His master script has extended the scope to include ambassadors from every tribe in this age so we can rule over and serve every tribe in Jesus's coming Kingdom.

Glory to God in the highest for He does everything according to His will, plan, script and performs it perfectly!

 

[One 2 question]

I think I got mixed up names...I have no idea why I said what I said...thanks for picking me up on it......it was Pontus Pilate I believe that ordered the crucifixion of Jesus.

I don’t know everything, neither do I need to.

I don’t have to read scripture morning noon and night..I don’t need to know the history of the Bible either I’m led by the Spirit to do the will of God, I’m also his spirit child.

I’m very tired and starting to get confused.

Apologies everyone I thought/this was the tulip thread ,it’s been a long day...I’m off to bed...

The Spirit speaks sister. Just be His mouthpiece who is filled with LOVE, His divine love. It's great to relax in Him and with Him. To be carried along on that divine carpet like the picture of Aladdin.

Again, when I distress by enjoying the presence of Spirit Father sent to us, His love fills us as His mouthpiece then what He speaks through us is spoken in and through LOVE. What has been predestined to happen will happen. We can be certain of this. How it happens only God knows. But we can carry out our role and function as His representatives in a state of peace and confidence opposed to being stressed and frustrated.

He, the Spirit of Truth brings revelation to those who it has been predetermined to receive the truth. So again we can focus on filling ourselves up with God's amazing, soothing, unending LOVE and giving Him thanks for all that He does according to the council of His will as you quoted.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Spirit speaks sister. Just be His mouthpiece who is filled with LOVE, His divine love. It's great to relax in Him and with Him. To be carried along on that divine carpet like the picture of Aladdin.

Again, when I distress by enjoying the presence of Spirit Father sent to us, His love fills us as His mouthpiece then what He speaks through us is spoken in and through LOVE. What has been predestined to happen will happen. We can be certain of this. How it happens only God knows. But we can carry out our role and function as His representatives in a state of peace and confidence opposed to being stressed and frustrated.

He, the Spirit of Truth brings revelation to those who it has been predetermined to receive the truth. So again we can focus on filling ourselves up with God's amazing, soothing, unending LOVE and giving Him thanks for all that He does according to the council of His will as you quoted.

What a spirit filled post, music to my ears Brother ,!!

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Predestination According to Demonic John Calvin​

According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that God would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, while the others would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death."., (Just for being born).

So, according to Calvin's theology, some of your family were "pre-chosen" by God to burn in the Lake of Fire, before they were even born.

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See that Reader? ??

That is the Demonic John Calvin teaching that before some are born, God has "decreed" that they are born only to burn in the Lake of FIRE. = pre-destined.

"Pre-destined by GOD, to go to Hell, then the Lake of Fire"...

See,..... the issue with this doctrine of devil's is MANY.... as this hellish doctrine is (T.U.L.I.P) LEGION... and what you have to SEE.. .Reader... is that all of us are EQUAL, regarding originally being a SINNER.

Why? "Because ALL HAVE SINNED".

This is why "Jesus came into the world TO SAVE SINNERS"< not the "elect only" as Demonic "TULIP" & Calvinism Teaches.

Calvinism Abuses God, willfully..= by falsely accusing Him of causing people to NOT BELIEVE... As they are not "chosen" to believe.
They are "pre-destined into ..(FORCED BY GOD))...= Unbelief".., .is what this DEVIL Teaches people to Believe.

So, here is how THEOLOGICALLY INSANE John Calvinism is...

Reader, ....

Unbelievers go to Hell because they never Believed in Jesus, were never born again, and die.... so God judges them... John 3:36, after they die., for their Christ REJECTION....

So, if God is causing them NOT to Believe, ..as the demonic John Calvin teaches... then How can GOD be just, honest, true, and right, if He decided they can't BELIEVE in Jesus, before they were born...... and then after they, you, me, are here on earth, and we die.... God judges us into eternal damnation, and HE is the reason we could not believe. !!

Do you see how CALVINISM accuses God of being some sort of cosmic psychopath, who wont let you believe in Jesus, then sends you to hell after you die, for "not BELIEVING", as you were not 'chosen/pre-destined to believe".,,. according to the Theological Blasphemy of John Calvin.

His Theology is OF THE DEVIL.
Its a CANCER on the Body of Christ.

Don't believe it reader.
Avoid people who teach it.
Don't let them get to your family.
And if you have been infected with demonic Calvinism, then simply realize that God's Grace, that is the Cross of Christ, is not Limited in any Way... as its "The GIFT of Salvation" to ALL who will believe.

It's interesting that you don't give us the reference from which you got John Calvin's supposed statement, or were you paraphrasing it to get it to agree with you? God doesn't "CAUSE" people's unbelief at all. They start out in unbelief as a human race because Adam did in rejecting his Creator by trying to rise to the Creator's level to run Adam's own life.

That's why, according to Paul in Romans 1:18ff., he says that we are all guilty before our Creator-Judge and need Jesus' death and resurrection to open the way to the Father's verdict of "not-guilty" (justification).

 

[Behold]

It's interesting that you don't give us the reference from which you got John Calvin's supposed statement,

Do i need to teach you the false tenets of : TULIP?

Do you need to reach out to the other Calvinist's and Hyper Calvinist's on this very Thread and Forum, to allow them to instruct you on their Calvinism, complete with....>>"i was born again, so that i could THEN believe in Jesus".

or.

"There is no such thing as Free will".

or.

"God created evil", and the Devil is on vacation........

And one more for you @Bruce-Leiter ..

You are defending Calvinism, as if this is Christianity.
See that deception?
That is the "mind rot" that infects every DISCIPLE of Calvin, who is known, and shown to be so, because they feel the urge, the compulsion, the addiction to NEED to Talk about Calvinism., and you will do it again, as you can't stop.
Welcome to what Calvinism does to the MIND and MOUTH... of a deceived Calvinist.

Whereas, a Real Christian, feels the need, urge, compulsion, to talk about JESUS, the BIBLE... Scriptures.....

What a CALVINIST will do, is FILTER the Scripture through Calvinism, as that is their mental issue., exposed... constantly.


Notice that these are NOT THE SAME.. yet a deceived Calvinist, can't tell the difference.
That would be you.

Notice carefully now..

GOD is not a Calvinist
JESUS is not a Calvinist
The Apostle Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not Teach Calvinism

Calvinism is not Christianity.

God makes CHRISTians

CALVIN makes CALVINISTS.

And that is you, Mr Calvinist.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Do i need to teach you the false tenets of : TULIP?

Do you need to reach out to the other Calvinist's and Hyper Calvinist's on this very Thread and Forum, to allow them to instruct you on their Calvinism, complete with....>>"i was born again, so that i could THEN believe in Jesus".

or.

"There is no such thing as Free will".

or.

"God created evil", and the Devil is on vacation........

And one more for you @Bruce-Leiter ..

You are defending Calvinism, as if this is Christianity.
See that deception?
That is the "mind rot" that infects every DISCIPLE of Calvin, who is known, and shown to be so, because they feel the urge, the compulsion, the addiction to NEED to Talk about Calvinism., and you will do it again, as you can't stop.
Welcome to what Calvinism does to the MIND and MOUTH... of a deceived Calvinist.

Whereas, a Real Christian, feels the need, urge, compulsion, to talk about JESUS, the BIBLE... Scriptures.....

What a CALVINIST will do, is FILTER the Scripture through Calvinism, as that is their mental issue., exposed... constantly.


Notice that these are NOT THE SAME.. yet a deceived Calvinist, can't tell the difference.
That would be you.

Notice carefully now..

GOD is not a Calvinist
JESUS is not a Calvinist
The Apostle Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not Teach Calvinism

Calvinism is not Christianity.

God makes CHRISTians

CALVIN makes CALVINISTS.

And that is you, Mr Calvinist.

Well, you brought it up. May the true God of the Bible bless you with his enlightenment.