New World Order

[Stranger]

I can see by what is clearly a very subjective interpretation of Scripture that Russia could be Gog and Magog if the prophesied battle in Revelation 20 took place before the Second Coming when Russia still exists as a nation.

However, we in the West who place the climax of a story at the end need to understand that the Bible writers used Hebrew Chiastic structure of compositon where they place the climax of the story at the middle of its telling (verse 10) and then backtrack to an earlier point of the story where it resumes with added details (verse 11-15). Revelation 20 is an extraordinarily textbook example of this which, if we don't destroy the Chiasm by Western ideas, clearly teaches that the battle of God and Magog happens:

• after the First Resurrection at the glorious return of Jesus, at which the wicked drop dead where they stand;
• after the thousand years of Earthly darkness, desolation, and completely devoid of any human activity;
• after the Second Resurrection of the lost at which time they are gathered together by Satan.

Since Russia, like all nations, has long since been destroyed, "God and Magog" are prophetic symbols of this entire great wicked multitude of the lost of all ages which, by their final act of defiance, prove that they are beyond the reach of Christ's redemptive power - and in one final act of mercy, God destroys them out of existence for all eternity.

Whether it is called Gog and Magog, or the Soviet Union or Russia, it speaks to a people of a certain region. And that region is the northern areas of what we call Russia today, and used to be called the Soviet Union.

The interpretation is certainly not 'subjective' as you claim. Morris gave reasons and proof why it speaks to the Russian people. As do others.

(Halley's Bible Handbook, Henry H. Haley, Zondervan, 1965, p. 333) "Whatever may be the exact identificatin of these peoples, Ezekiel speaks of them as dwelling in 'the uttermost parts of the north' (38:6, 15; 39:2), and there can be little doubt but that he means nations beyond the Caucasus. A glance at the map makes it plain that he has in mind that part of the world known as Russia."

(The Bible Knowledge Commentaruy, John Walvoord & Roy B. Zuck, CVP, 1984, p. 1299-1300) "Should these names be connected with the Soviet Union? One must first identify the areas against which Ezekiel prophesied and then determine the countries that occupy those land areas today....However, while one must avoid dogmatic assertions, three reasons suggest including the Soviet Union within Ezekiel's prophecy: (1) Some of the countries named by Ezekiel were located in what is now Russia. (2) The armies are said to come 'from the far north' (Ezek. 38:6, 15, 39:2). This probably includes the land bridge between the Black and Caspian Seas, now part of the Soviet Union. (3) Ezekiel spoke of a coalition of several nations....All these nations possibly led by the Soviet Union, will unite to attack Israel."

Thus it is not this interpretation that is subjective. Yours bears the marks of being subjective. You say Gog and Magog is nothing but symbolic terms and means all the lost of all ages. How empty is that? In other words, it means nothing. Just symbolize like you want to.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

I don't think we can identify a place as in regards to magog and gog, such does not make any sense, it is what people do that makes the problem regardless of who or where.
Is it a race that we are on about with magog and gog, well that's just stupid beyond belief to come up with something like that.

Jesus says what the problem with man is, it's the Sin that we all have to deal with right from the start in order to deal with any problem, but nowadays the new age Socialist they dismiss Sin as the key to problems, because they see people as a commodity, just like cattle.
But the new age Socialist will jump up and say but we have human rights you know, well well well now that another subject that can be study into at great length, but when we look into that subject we can see that with all Anti-Christ they not bound to any solid foundation, they float about with the wind and can change like a trend and make a 180 deg turn today and what ever tomorrow, like the bastards they are.
There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end.
Communist proposes to enslave men by force.
Socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

Many are against Capitalism and rightly so, I am not idolising it but it should have a social conscious, idolising Capitalism is madness as it has to be regulated for the betterment of all.

I have a stupid builder mate who is a far right wing nut, In the boom lets say a average house was say $100.000 well this moron wanted the price to go up to $200.000 and it did, but he insisted it keep going up to 10 times that making it $1 million, I said such a thing is just moronic and started to explain why and he went ballistic and said he did not give a rats about anyone who could not afford a house as they could just rent off him, I said what about you nipper, oh he had a answer for that, well what you do is ? I said he should go live in India where they treat there own people like that.
He says that his workers are payed too much and that half would be about right, well if no one earns enough no one can buy jack and the whole Nation will become a sh-t hole and fail badly.
He can not see the forest for the trees, he is an atheist and has a inferiority complex and truly claims that the man who dies with the most money is the greater man. it's true that we have morons like that around. he hates unions I said without unions most people would live like crap and the Nation would suffer, but the problems with unions in Australia's history is they are morons, just great fat stupid communist backward slobs who try to destroy company's, they are just retards claiming so much BS it's not funny and if you question them, they work to intimidate you first and then if that does not work, they want to try to bash you up or kill you. everyone has to have mush for brains and just follow along like a donkey. Europe had a much better system but we got the UK type of backward type that encourages just bludgers and bastards.
I have never been in a union but I would of liked to been in one if they were value for there money but they were not in my line of work as all they wanted was money for nothing.

Read my post #101.

Stranger

 

[Phoneman777]

Whether it is called Gog and Magog, or the Soviet Union or Russia, it speaks to a people of a certain region. And that region is the northern areas of what we call Russia today, and used to be called the Soviet Union.

The interpretation is certainly not 'subjective' as you claim. Morris gave reasons and proof why it speaks to the Russian people. As do others.

(Halley's Bible Handbook, Henry H. Haley, Zondervan, 1965, p. 333) "Whatever may be the exact identificatin of these peoples, Ezekiel speaks of them as dwelling in 'the uttermost parts of the north' (38:6, 15; 39:2), and there can be little doubt but that he means nations beyond the Caucasus. A glance at the map makes it plain that he has in mind that part of the world known as Russia."

(The Bible Knowledge Commentaruy, John Walvoord & Roy B. Zuck, CVP, 1984, p. 1299-1300) "Should these names be connected with the Soviet Union? One must first identify the areas against which Ezekiel prophesied and then determine the countries that occupy those land areas today....However, while one must avoid dogmatic assertions, three reasons suggest including the Soviet Union within Ezekiel's prophecy: (1) Some of the countries named by Ezekiel were located in what is now Russia. (2) The armies are said to come 'from the far north' (Ezek. 38:6, 15, 39:2). This probably includes the land bridge between the Black and Caspian Seas, now part of the Soviet Union. (3) Ezekiel spoke of a coalition of several nations....All these nations possibly led by the Soviet Union, will unite to attack Israel."

Thus it is not this interpretation that is subjective. Yours bears the marks of being subjective. You say Gog and Magog is nothing but symbolic terms and means all the lost of all ages. How empty is that? In other words, it means nothing. Just symbolize like you want to.

Stranger

I mean that your interpretation is subjective because it ignores two things in Revelation 20:

1. That Gog and Magog are called "the nations which are in the four corners of the earth" which attack New Jerusalem
2. The Gog and Magog assault occurs after the 1,000 years when the nations were destroyed at Jesus' 2nd Advent

If "volume" is to be made a prophetic standard of measurement, then you'd have to agree that my interpretation incorporates the "full" amount of the Earth's global 200 Million square mile land mass - "the four corners"....
...while yours is the comparatively "empty" interpretation, which limits it to the 6.5 Million of Russia.

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't think we can identify a place as in regards to magog and gog,

Exactly, the Bible in Revelation 20 plainly refers to "Gog and Magog" as the post-millennial "nations that are in the four corners of the Earth" which surround New Jerusalem - the "four corners" can't possibly be limited to just Russia.

 

[Stranger]

I mean that your interpretation is subjective because it ignores two things in Revelation 20:

1. That Gog and Magog are called "the nations which are in the four corners of the earth" which attack New Jerusalem
2. The Gog and Magog assault occurs after the 1,000 years when the nations were destroyed at Jesus' 2nd Advent

If "volume" is to be made a prophetic standard of measurement, then you'd have to agree that my interpretation incorporates the "full" amount of the Earth's global 200 Million square mile land mass - "the four corners"....
...while yours is the comparatively "empty" interpretation, which limits it to the 6.5 Million of Russia.

I didn't ignore it. They are not the same event. They are at least 1000 years apart. In (Ez. 38-39) the attack come from he north. In (Rev. 20), 1000 years later, the attack comes from all four corners of the earth. Different time, different battle.

Yes, your interpretation is 'full'.

Stranger

 

[Phoneman777]

I didn't ignore it. They are not the same event. They are at least 1000 years apart. In (Ez. 38-39) the attack come from he north. In (Rev. 20), 1000 years later, the attack comes from all four corners of the earth. Different time, different battle.

Yes, your interpretation is 'full'.

Stranger

Wait, first you said my interpretation was "empty" and now it's "full"?
Nevertheless, can you explain your reasons for why you believe Ezekiel's "God and Magog" prophecy is soon to be fulfilled before the 1,000 years while John's "Gog and Magog" prophecy is after the 1,000?

This sounds a bit like a similar discussion I had with another who believes that the Lord's return "as a thief in the night" is followed by 7 years of activity on Earth - and when I replied Peter is clear that when the Lord comes as a "thief in the night" the entire Earth and everything in it will be destroyed with fire...he said the Lord comes as "a thief in the night" TWICE...to which I replied that's impossible because after He comes as a thief in the night the first time, everyone on the entire planet will know to start the 7 year countdown from that event and will be able to pinpoint precisely when He comes back 7 years later...I don't recall him having an answer to that one.

 

[Stranger]

Wait, first you said my interpretation was "empty" and now it's "full"?
Nevertheless, can you explain your reasons for why you believe Ezekiel's "God and Magog" prophecy is soon to be fulfilled before the 1,000 years while John's "Gog and Magog" prophecy is after the 1,000?

This sounds a bit like a similar discussion I had with another who believes that the Lord's return "as a thief in the night" is followed by 7 years of activity on Earth - and when I replied Peter is clear that when the Lord comes as a "thief in the night" the entire Earth and everything in it will be destroyed with fire...he said the Lord comes as "a thief in the night" TWICE...to which I replied that's impossible because after He comes as a thief in the night the first time, everyone on the entire planet will know to start the 7 year countdown from that event and will be able to pinpoint precisely when He comes back 7 years later...I don't recall him having an answer to that one.

It concerns Israel in the 'latter days'. That is time period that speaks to the latter time of Israel's age. (Ez. 38:8) This is the time when the indignation of God against Israel is fulfilled. This occurs during the Tribulation period.

The battle in (Rev. 20) is not just against Israel, but against all the saints. (Rev. 20:9) But (Ez. 38-39) is dealing with an attack against Israel. As I said, different time, different battle, different subjects.

My reference to 'full' was not full of anything good.

Stranger

 

[aspen]

It has amazed me just how many Christians seem blind to the world happenings around them. I am sure it is because they expect to be zapped off the earth and "saved" from any terror, control, nastiness.
But, what if?
What if it doesn't happen ?
What if it doesn't happen when you thought it would happen.

Are you spiritually and emotionally prepared?
They have OPENLY told us that the One World Order is coming. Even the wording is always the same.
The world of dictatorship and laws...
We are losing our freedoms fast...has anyone noticed?

My grandmother spend the last 15 to 20 years of her life (she died at 95) reading newsletters and pamplets and books on the New World Order and every other conspiracy under the sun - she was a Christian and thought it was her Christian duty to warn everyone that the antichrist was coming and the world was going down the drain.

I remember a phone call I received from her at 2:00 AM (we often talked late at night) and i answered the phone sort of asleep and I heard a whispering voice say ‘its in the garage!’ I said, ‘grandma is that you? What’s in the garage?’ she said, ‘well, I can’t tell you, they’re listening!’ I said, ‘well, can you tell me in code?’ She whispered slowly, ‘ok, let me think......the F-O-O-D is in the garage!’ Her clever code was related to her 30 year teaching career - she taught first grade. Apparently, she had invested in a huge amount of freezed dried food for the Y2K crisis.

Her last twenty years were wasted on negative speculation. Her witness of loving others was dampened by her obsession; her desperate desire for security through secret knowledge. The Messenger, The Barnes Review, The Spotlight.....all these publications typed up in basements across America and charging money for speculation. were prime source material.

Christians are called to forgo worry.....events will unfold as God chooses......our response is to commit ourselves to loving others through service, no matter the storm - we are called to love through it.

End time speculation is divination using Christian jargon.

As far as political oppression in real time, not the future, we should speak out against tyranny and oppression of groups of people and all other evils, but our response is to resist by loving everyone through service.

 

[Phoneman777]

It concerns Israel in the 'latter days'. That is time period that speaks to the latter time of Israel's age. (Ez. 38:8) This is the time when the indignation of God against Israel is fulfilled. This occurs during the Tribulation period.

The battle in (Rev. 20) is not just against Israel, but against all the saints. (Rev. 20:9) But (Ez. 38-39) is dealing with an attack against Israel. As I said, different time, different battle, different subjects.

My reference to 'full' was not full of anything good.

Stranger

Could Ezekiel's prophecy have been fulfilled in the past? After all, Israel was rejected by God and is done as His chosen, and now "spiritual Israel" - the church - is "bringing forth the fruits thereof", is it not?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It concerns Israel in the 'latter days'. That is time period that speaks to the latter time of Israel's age. (Ez. 38:8) This is the time when the indignation of God against Israel is fulfilled. This occurs during the Tribulation period.

The battle in (Rev. 20) is not just against Israel, but against all the saints. (Rev. 20:9) But (Ez. 38-39) is dealing with an attack against Israel. As I said, different time, different battle, different subjects.

My reference to 'full' was not full of anything good.

Stranger

Israel is true Christians who serve God they are the Saints and all.
The Anti-Christ are all who reject God and his Son Jesus Christ.
We have a straight out Anti-Christ Pope now and always had Anti-Christ in all of the churches working to undermine Jesus Christ and that is clear to see in there works.

We now have all the churches back peddling, so as not to offend Political Correct fools, they are the religious numskulls, that do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Light of the World and the only way to come to God the Father. such only say lord lord but their hearts are far from him and Jesus never knew them because such never abided in him.

At the end of the day it's only all about having good will to all, if possible and striving for that with all, not condemning others because of some prediction that may cloud the mind in prejudice bigotry.
Jonah did not think that anyone other than his people could receive the message, but they did much to his surprise.

The whole world has lost the plot nowadays and it will only reap what it sows.
The works of Satan is all about us now and has now got great power to mislead all, but it is in every Nation that this pox is in play.
Just like the Jews only about 10% are worthy to what Judaism was truly all about and the same could be said with Christians who are worthy of Jesus Christ.
You get the old My church says ? I don't care what ones church says, if it rejects what Jesus Christ said, such are not worthy.
The churches are falling over themselves to not offend grubs and look down on and drive out good people who will not fall for such nonsense.
The sexual deviates are in control of the churches now full on, as well as the Governments are totally corrupt it's like Sodom.

 

[aspen]

Israel is true Christians who serve God they are the Saints and all.
The Anti-Christ are all who reject God and his Son Jesus Christ.
We have a straight out Anti-Christ Pope now and always had Anti-Christ in all of the churches working to undermine Jesus Christ and that is clear to see in there works.

We now have all the churches back peddling, so as not to offend Political Correct fools, they are the religious numskulls, that do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Light of the World and the only way to come to God the Father. such only say lord lord but their hearts are far from him and Jesus never knew them because such never abided in him.

At the end of the day it's only all about having good will to all, if possible and striving for that with all, not condemning others because of some prediction that may cloud the mind in prejudice bigotry.
Jonah did not think that anyone other than his people could receive the message, but they did much to his surprise.

The whole world has lost the plot nowadays and it will only reap what it sows.
The works of Satan is all about us now and has now got great power to mislead all, but it is in every Nation that this pox is in play.
Just like the Jews only about 10% are worthy to what Judaism was truly all about and the same could be said with Christians who are worthy of Jesus Christ.
You get the old My church says ? I don't care what ones church says, if it rejects what Jesus Christ said, such are not worthy.
The churches are falling over themselves to not offend grubs and look down on and drive out good people who will not fall for such nonsense.
The sexual deviates are in control of the churches now full on, as well as the Governments are totally corrupt it's like Sodom.

Really? So which ‘works’ of the Pope are you calling antichrist? Wait....before you answer, I know you have not idea what the Pope does or does not do on a daily basis....none, nada. You have no idea about the charity and good works that are exercised by the Catholic Church under the direction of the Pope. He is just a convinient whipping post for your preconcieved and static opinions. Luther once called the Pope an ass playing a harp and drew a picture of a human ass playing a harp - an exercise in projection; take heed.

 

[Stranger]

Could Ezekiel's prophecy have been fulfilled in the past? After all, Israel was rejected by God and is done as His chosen, and now "spiritual Israel" - the church - is "bringing forth the fruits thereof", is it not?

No....on all counts.

Stranger

 

[Phoneman777]

My grandmother spend the last 15 to 20 years of her life (she died at 95) reading newsletters and pamplets and books on the New World Order and every other conspiracy under the sun - she was a Christian and thought it was her Christian duty to warn everyone that the antichrist was coming and the world was going down the drain.

I remember a phone call I received from her at 2:00 AM (we often talked late at night) and i answered the phone sort of asleep and I heard a whispering voice say ‘its in the garage!’ I said, ‘grandma is that you? What’s in the garage?’ she said, ‘well, I can’t tell you, they’re listening!’ I said, ‘well, can you tell me in code?’ She whispered slowly, ‘ok, let me think......the F-O-O-D is in the garage!’ Her clever code was related to her 30 year teaching career - she taught first grade. Apparently, she had invested in a huge amount of freezed dried food for the Y2K crisis.

Her last twenty years were wasted on negative speculation. Her witness of loving others was dampened by her obsession; her desperate desire for security through secret knowledge. The Messenger, The Barnes Review, The Spotlight.....all these publications typed up in basements across America and charging money for speculation. were prime source material.

Christians are called to forgo worry.....events will unfold as God chooses......our response is to commit ourselves to loving others through service, no matter the storm - we are called to love through it.

End time speculation is divination using Christian jargon.

As far as political oppression in real time, not the future, we should speak out against tyranny and oppression of groups of people and all other evils, but our response is to resist by loving everyone through service.

If we don't warn others about the Beast, it's Mark, Name, and Number, who will?

 

[aspen]

If we don't warn others about the Beast, it's Mark, Name, and Number, who will?

Who cares? We all know that worldliness is deadly. The answer is to love others - if you are practicing love, who cares what the world is doing? Love is our witness. And Christians are notoriously terrible at actually recognizing evil, even when it is staring them in the face every night on TV from the White House! Running around warning about the end of the world while denying the evil of Trump in the White House, glaciers melting and animals experiencing mass extinction is daft. We have zero creditiblity in the world when it comes to politics, which should not be surprising because it is not our purpose and it actually distracts from our purpose.

 

[Phoneman777]

No....on all counts.

Stranger

There's not one instance in Scripture where God gathered His people to the land after He'd scattered them for disobedience without them first crying out in repentance.

 

[Phoneman777]

Who cares? We all know that worldliness is deadly. The answer is to love others - if you are practicing love, who cares what the world is doing? Love is our witness. And Christians are notoriously terrible at actually recognizing evil, even when it is staring them in the face every night on TV from the White House! Running around warning about the end of the world while denying the evil of Trump in the White House, glaciers melting and animals experiencing mass extinction is daft. We have zero creditiblity in the world when it comes to politics, which should not be surprising because it is not our purpose and it actually distracts from our purpose.

Because, maybe, before we can heed the most fearful warning in Scripture, which is to not accept the Mark of the Beast, we must first identify what is the Beast?

 

[aspen]

Because, maybe, before we can heed the most fearful warning in Scripture, which is to not accept the Mark of the Beast, we must first identify what is the Beast?

Sounds scary! Is your faith fear-based?

Faith is the space created by suspending your negative opinion/fear-based opinion long enough to learn something new and to love in the face of fear. The mark of the beast is the description of unredeemed humanity - people who are still enslaved by fear and reacting to it by focusing on themselves - sin is self preservation. The answer of course, is to love others through the power of the Holy Spirit and the love and sacrifice of Christ.

Unredeemed people are not going to escape the mark of the beast though indoctrination, dogma, doctrine, or witnessing by passing out tracts. They are going to learn to have faith in the love of God by seeing it in us and then exercising enough faith to love in the face of fear.

Eternal life is the perfection of love of God and neighbor. Death is self preservation, fueled by fear, which is the mark of the beast.

 

[brakelite]

The Bible tells us (for those who claim the name of Christ and still believe in the Bible) that the time is coming that the only denominations will be those who have accepted the mark of the beast and are worshiping according to the government dictates. They are the daughters of the Mother, Babylon the Great. Because they have left the truth, they have become harlots in the same character as their mother from whom they originally came. This will leave only a small minority, a united movement who resist the majority traditions and pressures of the NWO, If they were at any stage a denomination, it has long been annulled by government decree due to their practicing their religion according to the Bible, and the Bible only. Teaching the true gospel, they will be accused of hate speech, hated of all nations for Christ’s sake, and be considered the execration of society. Accused of being the cause of God’s judgments falling upon the earth, they will in the end be sentenced to death. This is they who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.(Revel. 12:17; 14:12)

They are the only ones patiently waiting for Christ’s coming. And the only ones to be translated when He appears in glory. The majority have long given up hope of the second coming; the Bible is no longer seen as relevant to modern society, its history shrouded even now in doubt and skepticism; and doctrine no longer viewed as necessary to salvation, because today there are as many roads that lead to heaven as there are that lead to Rome.
The minority believers are united in the cause for truth, in the preaching of truth in the power of the Holy Spirit, in the living of truth by their living faith in the grace of God. One with Jesus and the Father, empowered by the Spirit of God, they love one another and their chief priority in life is to see as many people as possible come out of Babylon into a saving relationship with Christ.
They have a Truth they know is not to be compromised, and with courage and selfless love for lost souls, they repudiate everything not in harmony with that Truth.
Soon “let us be united” will be the rallying cry of the majority. And unite they will, but under a banner of error and deception.
Beware of false calls to unity. Have a look at Matthew 24:4-9. Note that up to the first part of verse 7, the world is in utter disarray. Wars and rumors of wars, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom. This has been the state of this world since Cain slew Abel. Conflict has been the one constant thread that is woven throughout human history. But note that in verse 9 there is a major shift. We see the nations of the world united for the very first time…united against the church! But let us pause a little and also consider Revelation 13:3…all the world wondered after the beast…. 8: and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship.…14: and deceiveth them that dwell upon the earth…The whole world is going to be deceived into false worship. This will not be Islam. Babylon the Great is a symbol of the Roman Catholic Church. The world will be deceived into worshiping according to Roman tradition; they will believe they are worshiping according to the truth, for they are deceived. Thus the final great conflict of the ages is not between atheism and theism but will be between two brothers, one worshiping according to truth and revelation, the other according to tradition and occultist and demonic new age philosophy. An end time repeat of Cain and Abel. What evils and wickedness that permeated religious intolerance during the 1ooo odd years of papal dominion in Europe during the dark ages will be repeated on a global scale with as much ardor, fanaticism, and violence as the worst of the inquisitions of the past.

Our allegiances in those days will not about denominations but about truth and obedience to the commandments of God as opposed to the commandments of men.

The coming separation of Christianity under the aegis of the false prophet is the separation we ought to be more concerned about. For then there will be only two sides. How do you know you wont be deceived along with the rest of the world? How do you know you aren’t already deceived and ripe picking for the coming NWO? What is it about your beliefs and faith that makes you different from the vast majority of Christianity who will take the side of the Antichrist and worship the beast and his image?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

My grandmother spend the last 15 to 20 years of her life (she died at 95) reading newsletters and pamplets and books on the New World Order and every other conspiracy under the sun - she was a Christian and thought it was her Christian duty to warn everyone that the antichrist was coming and the world was going down the drain.

I remember a phone call I received from her at 2:00 AM (we often talked late at night) and i answered the phone sort of asleep and I heard a whispering voice say ‘its in the garage!’ I said, ‘grandma is that you? What’s in the garage?’ she said, ‘well, I can’t tell you, they’re listening!’ I said, ‘well, can you tell me in code?’ She whispered slowly, ‘ok, let me think......the F-O-O-D is in the garage!’ Her clever code was related to her 30 year teaching career - she taught first grade. Apparently, she had invested in a huge amount of freezed dried food for the Y2K crisis.

Her last twenty years were wasted on negative speculation. Her witness of loving others was dampened by her obsession; her desperate desire for security through secret knowledge. The Messenger, The Barnes Review, The Spotlight.....all these publications typed up in basements across America and charging money for speculation. were prime source material.

Christians are called to forgo worry.....events will unfold as God chooses......our response is to commit ourselves to loving others through service, no matter the storm - we are called to love through it.

End time speculation is divination using Christian jargon.

As far as political oppression in real time, not the future, we should speak out against tyranny and oppression of groups of people and all other evils, but our response is to resist by loving everyone through service.

She would of lived through the great depression, just like my Grand dad did, it was no joke to him, and he warned about of what is going on nowadays would take place back in the 60's and he knew who and what was behind it all, he has been correct about everything but people would not listen to him, because they did not like what he had to say, he was not some bum who only read the papers, as he was related to the Monarch and knew all them lot personally and he contracted all over the world on the richest of the rich Arabs oil men and richest Jews and the biggest high rise buildings and he was ready prepared for WW3 at the drop of a hat, he hated the Russian communist and the Jews because they were nothing but a total parasite and totally hated the Arabs because they were the most vile people on earth. as it is so with every person I have met who has worked in Arab Country's for years and the story's that they told of what they seen and had to put up with.
I have believed from the 60's that we should fence the Arab world off from the West and have nothing to do with Islam or the Jews Communist as they are the lowest of the low, they are that bad and the media does not tell the half of what goes on over there and if they did people over here would have a fit ! the media covers the depravity of it all up, as people here could not handle the truth.
I know many Arabs that have warned me of just how bad it was in there old country and they will gladly tell you all about it. it's not the race I am on about but the system they live under is just madness and it will come and take over the west as easy as piss because Political Correctness is the open door for all trash to come and walk all over Christianity, such people only see our welcoming as just being foolish degenerates that they only take full advantage of such, it's a war to them and they play the game to win in everyway possible. they will kill you, cut you head off or stick you up through a pole and go to bed without a bother.
History proves it all what such mobs are like. Islam and the so called Zionist Talmud Jews and Communist are all like dogs with rabies, they are of their Father of lies and murders from the beginning, just as Jesus pointed them out to truly be in fact and anyone who supports this mob is going to Hell.
Islam has to be banned in the West, because it's Satanic.
Communism and it's Political Correctness should be seen for what it truly is, the workings of Satan.
Talmud Zionist Jews kicked out of the media, TV and schools and governments not to mention kicked out of Christianity, there is no such thing as Judaic Christianity as they play on it nowadays, as if we are in bed with the Jews all in one, it's called Christianity in fact and it's clear different to, until now this hogwash is sprouted everywhere, sure it's a great trick on word play and sure it came from such but it's never been called Judaic Christianity until about 10 years ago that this childish dribble pop up like a obnoxious weed. like as if they are our big brothers I have heard some idiots say. fact is they are cursed not to mention Anti-Christ, so why would anyone look up to such nonsense.

 

[Stranger]

There's not one instance in Scripture where God gathered His people to the land after He'd scattered them for disobedience without them first crying out in repentance.

God promised through the prophet Jeremiah that He would. (Jer. 30:3) No repentance is required here. Just God's statement that He will do it.

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