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Aunty Jane
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Yes, God is said to be a “consuming fire” (Heb 12:29) ....why?...because fire consumes and destroys whatever is set alight.
“Gehenna” was a literal place outside of Jerusalems walls, where garbage was disposed of by fire that was kept burning day and night by the addition of brimstone. (sulfur) Nothing alive was ever cast into Gehenna.
It is actually about defectors from the faith, the easily misled and willfully ignorant.....as well as the incorrigibly wicked who will be on the receiving end of Jehovah’s anger. He has no need of those people nor does he want them to spoil the marvellous future that he has in store for the righteous, who do care about their beliefs and conduct.....they don’t have to be perfect, but they do need to be obedient to the teachings of the Christ. Those found not obedient, will regret their failure to heed the warning that Jesus’ disciples are giving throughout the earth in these “last days”. (2 Tim 3:1-5)
“Just like the days of Noah”, Jesus said...(Matt 24:37-39) and we know that the world of that time had only 8 obedient survivors.
So again, the majority will be misled, whilst a courageous “few” continue to sound the warning of what is coming....the greatest tribulation in man’s history. (Matt 24:21)
That’s the whole point....by choosing the truth over falsehood, or falsehood over truth, we are showing Yahweh what is in our hearts. He wants obedience from a willing heart, not a fear inspired control with hell at the end of it...he is a God of love who does not tolerate hypocrisy or lies. We will soon see who the culprits are....who is saved....and who is not.
David Lamb
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I have just looked at 26 different English translations of the bible, and not a single one translates it as "the Word is godly," or as "the Word is a god." If the Word were merely godly, how could all things have been made through Him? If the Word was a god, then He must have been a false god, because many times in the bible we read that there is one God. The only bible version I have heard of that translates John 1:1 as saying "and the Word was a god" is the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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JW's love twisting the Hell out of nearly every verse in the Bible to change the clear meaning.
"Is there anything in the Bible that you believe is God's written Word?"
Aunty Jane
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The problem is in the way the word “theos”(god) is translated in most Bibles.
In Greek, the primary definition of “theos“, from Strongs Concordance is…
- “a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities.”…..
In Greek, John 1:1 doesn’t really say what is commonly translated….into English.
The Mounce Greek to English Interlinear shows that a very small word, makes a very big difference.
“In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros ·ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos.”
Since the “one God” of the Jews was at that time nameless, the only way to identify him in Scripture was with the use of the definite article “ho” seen clearly in the Greek text there.
Calling Yahweh “THE God” singled him out as the only God worshipped by the Jews, as opposed to the multitude of Greek gods that were worshipped.
“ho logos”, as you can see is “the Word”, identifying Jesus by one of his many names or titles.
”ho logos” (Jesus) was “with ho theos” (Yahweh)…but “ho logos“ (Jesus) was “theos”, (god) not ”ho theos”. (Yahweh)
Read correctly in translation it should read as the NWT translates it.
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God (Yahweh) and the Word was divine”….(or a “god-like one”)
John 10:31-36 read from the Mounce Interlinear, also differentiates “ho theos” from “theos”…..
Only Yahweh is referred to as “ho theos”. In most English translations that very small word is ignored….but it identifies Yahweh as “the God” of the Jews. It’s there for all to see….and there is no reason to ignore it, except for one doctrine.
David Lamb
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But that doesn't answer the fact that there is only one God. How can the Word Who came in the flesh be "a god", different to the one true God? How can the Word be "a god," as you claim, without being a false god, like Baal?
Well said!!! I've been saying that for years! It's obvious. Just another JW attack on our Saviour Jesus.
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it should be understood that there is only ONE TRUE GOD. after all there are many that are called/referred to as a god. some of them mentioned in the bible. Jesus prayed to his God, thanking his God , instructed others how to pray to his God.
Luke 4:8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” according to the silly twisted logic employed by Christendom you have one god telling another god to recognize and worship the one true God.
why it is you's people dont reason all that crap out is beyond all comprehension! which of you is now going to say satan was never referred to as a god in the bible ?
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David Lamb
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No we don't have one God telling another God anything. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God in three "persons." Also, it is strange that you call yourself a Christian, yet you talk of" the silly twisted logic employed by Christendom." Lastly, you still haven't answered my question, that if, as you claim, the Word, Who is Jesus Christ, is "a god", and there is only one true God, what sort of god are you saying the Word is?
to Compare the two ,Jehovah to Jesus , Jesus owes everything to his God. with out his God's action he would of never existed . indications are that to cause Jesus/Word to come into existence was somewhat difficult . God being perfect, by reason could only do things perfectly .yet we look at all of creation, everything is far from perfect. at best ''good enough'' is the norm. the Word/Jesus did something for his God working as a worker of and for his God to make things happen . as you may recall Jesus had a hand in everything made.
if i may relate it to a building contractor of today ,he may only know what he wants done ,so to get things done skilled employees do the work. the skilled employees go without name ,yet the contractors name is on the contract and gets the fame for the work done.
Proverbs 8 :29,30 When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
i have worked for different contractors , i can drive past a house that i worked on ,i can say i did this or that to that house ,yet the Business receives the credit .
if i may relate it to a building contractor of today ,he may only know what he wants done ,so to get things done skilled employees do the work. the skilled employees go without name ,yet the contractors name is on the contract and gets the fame for the work done.
Proverbs 8 :29,30 When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
i have worked for different contractors , i can drive past a house that i worked on ,i can say i did this or that to that house ,yet the Business receives the credit .
you make your god to be Jesus ?? satan is called a god . then in Matthew 4:10 ''Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” in that one verse 3 gods are mentioned .
Jesus is God.
Christianity Board Statement of Faith:
"We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God."
I just checked 31 English Bibles and NONE of them say Jehovah.
Do you agree with Aunty that the Christianity Board Statement of Faith is Satanic?
No JW cultist is a real student of the Bible.
Who are you kidding?
= Just yourself.
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