No Law : Under Grace

[Behold]

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The law/commandments define transgression..

In other words, If there was no law or commandment that said....>"tho shalt not murder"< then if you murdered, there is nothing to define it as murder.

"where there is NO LAW.....there is NO SIN.. no Transgression"... = There is no LAW that defines that deed as a sin.

So, when we are unbelievers, the law and commandments continually define our carnality as sin.

This is the "curse of the Law".....as the law is what defines us all as .."all have sinned".

When we are born again, our "old man of sin" that was defined by the law, is crucified with Christ, and we are "made free from the law", having become ":dead to the Law".

This is explained as.. "Christ is the end of the Law, for righteousness, to everyone who believes"

"the born again are not under the law, but under Grace".

"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE OF THE LAW".

 

[Arthur81]

Behold, let me see if I can add or expand on your post in a manner where we can find agreement. :)

"For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to every one who is believing, for Moses doth describe the righteousness that is of the law, that, 'The man who did them shall live in them,'" (Rom 10:4-5, YLT)

I try to check the literal translations on the passages, especially about "law". I notice the definite article does not precede law in v4, it says "an end of law". When in v5 it brings in Moses, it becomes "the law". I take this "end of law" in v4 as referring to any sort of law religion would try impose upon us for righteousness; whether is it baptism, circumcision, whatever. Christ is our righteousness and no NT law can be our righteousness any more than the Mosaic law. Except as we consider law of faith -

"Where then is the boasting? it was excluded; by what law? of works? no, but by a law of faith:" (Rom 3:27, YLT)

 

[Behold]

"Where then is the boasting? it was excluded; by what law? of works? no, but by a law of faith:" (Rom 3:27, YLT)

The Law both reveals sin and empowers the flesh to sin more.

This is the "curse of the Law". as "the power of sin is the Law" "The law is the power of sin".

"Jesus came to redeem (the born again) from the curse of the Law".

How?

By Himself fulfilling it, in our place, which removes it from the BELIEVER born again.

And, as Jesus is our New Covenant, Blood Atonement = Righteousness, this means that once we are born again, "in Christ"..... we now exist, apart from the Law, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This is = "not under the law, but under Grace".

"Under Grace' is the Eternal LIFE state of every born again believer.

A.) CHRISTIANity, is completely SPIRITUAL......

Its all about being born again, and walking in THE SPIRIT, and that is not done with the natural mind, or by willpower.

See, we are born again INTO God and Christ.........as "one with God" and 'in Christ".

So, they are the Kingdom of God.......itself.....as its a spiritual kingdom, as we are BORN.....AGAIN.....= Spiritually, by the Holy Spirit, into God Himself,... = "God is A Spirit".

So, we become a 'new Creation", .. having been "translated from Darkness, to LIGHT">

See that Light? ?????

That is this...

"God exists IN LIGHT"

"Jesus is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD"..

The Born again, are "Children....OF.....THE.....Light".

This LIGHT is the KOG. Its the Spiritual Kingdom of LIGHT< vs the Devil's kingdom that is spiritual darkness.

That is what it means to be : BORN .. AGAIN.... = "under Grace", ... "In Christ"....>"one with God".....having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

 

[Godslittleservant]

I think we need to be careful when we say there is no law under Christ. I feel that we still have law just not the law of the old testament but the law of Christ. There is some things we have to live by to get to heaven. We know we still can not commit adultery steal lie kill and such and that me must have faith we must confess that Christ is Lord we must repent of such transgressions we are told to be baptized in Christ name so it seems there is still commands law or something that we have to keep or we will fail to make heaven our home we must love God and one another so we have to be careful to teach that there is no law under Christ.

 

[Behold]

I think we need to be careful when we say there is no law under Christ.

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW....for righteousness, to/for everyone who believes"

"The power of SIN.....is THE LAW"....."THE LAW....is the power of Sin"

"Christ has redeemed the born again ...from the CURSE OF THE LAW"..

The Born again are "not under THE LAW, but under GRACE"

"The LAW came by MOSES.... (OT)... but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus The Christ... (new Covenant, New Testament).

 

[JohnDB]

Matthew 5:19 (ESV)
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Wynona]

I think we need to be careful when we say there is no law under Christ. I feel that we still have law just not the law of the old testament but the law of Christ. There is some things we have to live by to get to heaven. We know we still can not commit adultery steal lie kill and such and that me must have faith we must confess that Christ is Lord we must repent of such transgressions we are told to be baptized in Christ name so it seems there is still commands law or something that we have to keep or we will fail to make heaven our home we must love God and one another so we have to be careful to teach that there is no law under Christ.

Agree.

We're still under the law of Christ. We need to live righteously and love one another like He taught.

 

[gpresdo]

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The law/commandments define transgression..

In other words, If there was no law or commandment that said....>"tho shalt not murder"< then if you murdered, there is nothing to define it as murder.

"where there is NO LAW.....there is NO SIN.. no Transgression"... = There is no LAW that defines that deed as a sin.

So, when we are unbelievers, the law and commandments continually define our carnality as sin.

This is the "curse of the Law".....as the law is what defines us all as .."all have sinned".

When we are born again, our "old man of sin" that was defined by the law, is crucified with Christ, and we are "made free from the law", having become ":dead to the Law".

This is explained as.. "Christ is the end of the Law, for righteousness, to everyone who believes"

"the born again are not under the law, but under Grace".

"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE OF THE LAW".

The application of God's commandments to a soul .......never ceases.
(Sounds like you have been watching way to much of Andy Stanley in Ohio).

 

[Behold]

The application of God's commandments to a soul .......never ceases.
(Sounds like you have been watching way to much of Andy Stanley in Ohio).

I think its fair to say that what you posted, only makes sense to you.

However, there are the 10 commandments, and there are the commandments of Jesus, and as Jesus is God, then its all kinda the same, yet, those given by Jesus when He was on Earth, are pretty important.........as are the rest.
Not for Salvation, but regarding discipleship, and or as a Lifestyle boundary.. As by not breaking commandments, you prevent a lot of harm from coming to yourself and to those who love you.

Also, I dont watch Andy, or His Dad., Tho when ive worked in Christian Radio years ago, the Station used Dr. C. Stanley's Sermons, among others.

 

[Behold]

Reader.

"there is now no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST"..

And why is that?

Its because "Christ is the END.. OF... THE.. LAW for RIGHTEOUSNESS, to everyone who Believes"..

A.) All the born again.

So, when you are "not under the Law, but under Grace",.. .then you are "made righteous".. having become "THE... Righteousness of GOD, in Christ".

AA.) ALL the born again, are "in Christ"..

So, where do you exist?

You exist in the KOG.. and there is No Moses Law there or 10 Commandments, that can DEFINE YOU or YOUR DEEDS...

The born again exist here..

AA.) "Where there is NO LAW... there is no TRANSGRESSION"..

Now, that does not mean you are incapable of committing a carnal deed....

The verse is explaining that the LAW has no more authority over you , to define you or your deeds, before God, ever again.

This is .."Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the CURSE of the LAW"..

That Curse, was the law and 10 commandment's , DOMINION over you, whereby, you were accused and judged.

= Now, this is gone..forever.......because "Christ is the end of the Law"... so, once you are born again IN CHRIST... you are this...

AAA) "As JESUS IS.......so are the born again, in THIS World"... and that means "no transgression found"... "made Righteous"..

 

[Jack]

Hebrews 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.

 

[Davy]

BEWARE brethren:

Lord Jesus Christ did NOT... nail all of God's laws to His cross.

He only did away with religious dogma of the old covenant, blood ordinances, and the handwriting of ordinances in the law. Many of God's statutes and judgments still stand for Christianity. The evidence of this is by noting what Apostle Paul taught...

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
KJV

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
KJV

Don't pay attention to preachers that try to say all of God's law is now dead for the Christian Church.

The ONLY way that Apostle Paul even hinted at such an idea is with Galatians 5 when he taught those in Christ are dead to the law ONLY IF... they walk in The Spirit. So that means break one of God's laws, like murder, and regardless that you believe on Jesus, YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES as a murderer, and it can keep you out of Heaven like Paul showed in the above Scriptures!

Satan did not miss his chance to deceive with men's false 'Once Saved Always Saved' doctrines. He uses them to trick believers into thinking God's laws don't exist for the Christian anymore. He wants... Christians to mess up and get in trouble.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Reader.

"there is now no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST"..

And why is that?

Its because "Christ is the END.. OF... THE.. LAW for RIGHTEOUSNESS, to everyone who Believes"..

A.) All the born again.

So, when you are "not under the Law, but under Grace",.. .then you are "made righteous".. having become "THE... Righteousness of GOD, in Christ".

AA.) ALL the born again, are "in Christ"..

So, where do you exist?

You exist in the KOG.. and there is No Moses Law there or 10 Commandments, that can DEFINE YOU or YOUR DEEDS...

The born again exist here..

AA.) "Where there is NO LAW... there is no TRANSGRESSION"..

Now, that does not mean you are incapable of committing a carnal deed....

The verse is explaining that the LAW has no more authority over you , to define you or your deeds, before God, ever again.

This is .."Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the CURSE of the LAW"..

That Curse, was the law and 10 commandment's , DOMINION over you, whereby, you were accused and judged.

= Now, this is gone..forever.......because "Christ is the end of the Law"... so, once you are born again IN CHRIST... you are this...

AAA) "As JESUS IS.......so are the born again, in THIS World"... and that means "no transgression found"... "made Righteous"..

Yes when we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. w2hen we walk in christ we are incapable of sin. But though the old man is declared dead we still battle with it. Paul constantly exhorted the believers to walk in the Spirit so they would not sin. Believers are still capapble and do sin. The sin s are all forgiven already (as Jesus died for all our sins) but even beloved Paul taught that believers still sin.


According to your philosophy, for a believer theft and adultery are no longer sins for in christ there is no law and so there is no sin.

 

[Hobie]

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The law/commandments define transgression..

In other words, If there was no law or commandment that said....>"tho shalt not murder"< then if you murdered, there is nothing to define it as murder.

"where there is NO LAW.....there is NO SIN.. no Transgression"... = There is no LAW that defines that deed as a sin.

So, when we are unbelievers, the law and commandments continually define our carnality as sin.

This is the "curse of the Law".....as the law is what defines us all as .."all have sinned".

When we are born again, our "old man of sin" that was defined by the law, is crucified with Christ, and we are "made free from the law", having become ":dead to the Law".

This is explained as.. "Christ is the end of the Law, for righteousness, to everyone who believes"

"the born again are not under the law, but under Grace".

"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE OF THE LAW".

So are we free to kill our brother?

 

[gpresdo]

I think its fair to say that what you posted, only makes sense to you.

However, there are the 10 commandments, and there are the commandments of Jesus, and as Jesus is God, then its all kinda the same, yet, those given by Jesus when He was on Earth, are pretty important.........as are the rest.
Not for Salvation, but regarding discipleship, and or as a Lifestyle boundary.. As by not breaking commandments, you prevent a lot of harm from coming to yourself and to those who love you.

Also, I dont watch Andy, or His Dad., Tho when ive worked in Christian Radio years ago, the Station used Dr. C. Stanley's Sermons, among others.

Correction...there are the ten commandments and many more. You infer there are only ten. Why?

 

[Davy]

Believers are still capapble and do sin. The sin s are all forgiven already (as Jesus died for all our sins) but even beloved Paul taught that believers still sin.

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Strange how those who devise men's doctrine against what Paul said above try to claim Lord Jesus automatically forgave us of ALL future sins. No, we STILL have to repent to Lord Jesus and ask Him forgiveness of FUTURE SINS we may commit. Apostle John explained this in 1 John 1.

So just who... would want us to think that ALL future sin is automatically forgiven by Lord Jesus? The devil and his children, of course. Satan does not want us to repent and ask Christ to forgive us of future sin.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyone who rejects the Commandments is a Anti-Christ in fact !

Who rejects the First Commandment ? bingo only an Anti-Christ would do such in fact.

The Law was set down under God and Jesus never rejected any of the Commandments in fact ! if you peddle that Jesus was rejecting the Commandments then one is worse than a Jew.

Regarding the Commandments and when Jesus came, it was then that one who was Saved was under Grace ? The Law is under Grace !
So that means that the Law is below Grace in fact ! for Grace exceeds the Law, why ! well without Grace the Law does not extend that far ? for the OT Law was in regards the schoolmaster ? The Jews had not evolved yet, that's why they are under the Law !

But we of Grace we are not uner the Law but under Grace, but that does not dismiss the Law in fact but puts the Law under Grace, for the Law is not above Grace in fact ! for we evolved past that point, it's not the Law that saves but where Grace abounds you have Christ Jesus ?

Take away Christ Jesus and you have only the Law ? the Law does not give a rats about you, it just does not work that way.

If you are Gay under the OT then you are as good as dead, because the Law is the Law ! Grace however can see forward but the Law can not ? Grace does not kill anyone. for it's the Grace of God ! not that the Gay person is looked up to at all ! but one under Grace does not encorage such nonsense at all ! for it is a Sin in fact and such as that are going to Hell and so is anyone who supports such depravity. or any depravity ! for Grace does not serve depravity or Sin at all in fact. but repentance is the key !

If one does not repent of their Sins they are not worthy of God in fact.

If some fool believes that he can kill other people, that person is not of Grace in fact.
Sure Mose killed a man but he was not under the NT !

 

[Jack]

Stick with the New Covenant. It's the road to Jesus / God!

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

 

[Gottservant]

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The law/commandments define transgression..

In other words, If there was no law or commandment that said....>"tho shalt not murder"< then if you murdered, there is nothing to define it as murder.

You need to look at it in a positive light: the law binds that by which the law may be fufilled, that's the law.

In other words, someone who is innocent of murder, is someone who can perfectly keep conviction - therefore if you are tempted to give up your conviction, you know that that is not the law.

If the law makes you able to speak of your conviction, you will never have to transgress.

 

[Ritajanice]

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1 Corinthians 9:21 ►

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Commentary.

The other passage is Hebrews 10:16–17. He is quoting the new covenant promise in Jeremiah 31: “‘This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,’ then he adds, ‘I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.’” Now, the point here is that Christ has purchased the new covenant promise, and it includes the forgiveness of our sins and the replacement of an old, unbelieving, rebellious heart with a new heart of faith and obedience. So, I think these two passages — Romans 2, Hebrews 10, and the other new covenant passages like 2 Corinthians 3 and Hebrews 8 — are teaching two very different things and addressing two very different situations.
Hebrews is teaching that, when we are born again, God gives us a new heart and a new spirit, and the result is that the law of God written in Scripture is no longer offensive to us. We are no longer hostile to it like Paul says in Romans 8:7. We are not hostile to the word of God, but rather, we are submissive. We delight to do God’s commandments. It doesn’t mean that we know them all by heart, because they are written on our hearts. It doesn’t mean that. It means that, when we read them in the word, the inclination to do them is in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. This is a great work of the Holy Spirit, purchased by the blood of Christ called the new covenant. That is what I think is going on in Hebrews 10 — and it is an awesome privilege for Christians.

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. New Living Translation When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. English Standard Version To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. Berean Standard Bible To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law