No More Death

[rwb]

Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 are parallel readings, how are you going to symbolically allegories Daniel 12:2 smiles

The scripture is clearly explaining the last day resurrection of "All", it's that simple

Why do you not read Daniel 12 in context? The first four verses give us a good picture of the time reference Daniel is writing of.

When did Michael stand up for the children of his people? Rev 12 shows us when and how Michael stood up. It was with the advent of Christ born a man. When there was war in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels, with Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and bound to the earth. Dan 12 is not a parallel rendering of John 5 because Daniel writes of only MANY of the dead in the earth being awakened to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:1-4 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

In Daniel 12 the many dead that awake to everlasting life parallels Mt 27:52-53. Because Satan and his angels had been cast out of heaven, after the cross and resurrection MANY (not all) graves were opened and MANY (not all) saints arose, coming out of the graves and ascending to the holy city in heaven. New Jerusalem a spiritual habitation being built spiritually in heaven. There is no evidence of any physical resurrection of the dead making an appearance in earthly Jerusalem. But heavenly Jerusalem has an host of heavenly beings as witness for them there.

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

As for those from Daniel 12 awaking from the dead to shame and everlasting contempt, that too according to John 5 shall come to pass in the hour that is coming. There will be none in physical bodies resurrected to damnation before the hour coming, when the seventh angel begins to sound. But the DEAD IN CHRIST ascend to heaven a living (spirit) soul the moment our bodies give up the Ghost (life).

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why do you not read Daniel 12 in context? The first four verses give us a good picture of the time reference Daniel is writing of.

When did Michael stand up for the children of his people? Rev 12 shows us when and how Michael stood up. It was with the advent of Christ born a man. When there was war in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels, with Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and bound to the earth. Dan 12 is not a parallel rendering of John 5 because Daniel writes of only MANY of the dead in the earth being awakened to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:1-4 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

In Daniel 12 the many dead that awake to everlasting life parallels Mt 27:52-53. Because Satan and his angels had been cast out of heaven, after the cross and resurrection MANY (not all) graves were opened and MANY (not all) saints arose, coming out of the graves and ascending to the holy city in heaven. New Jerusalem a spiritual habitation being built spiritually in heaven. There is no evidence of any physical resurrection of the dead making an appearance in earthly Jerusalem. But heavenly Jerusalem has an host of heavenly beings as witness for them there.

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

As for those from Daniel 12 awaking from the dead to shame and everlasting contempt, that too according to John 5 shall come to pass in the hour that is coming. There will be none in physical bodies resurrected to damnation before the hour coming, when the seventh angel begins to sound. But the DEAD IN CHRIST ascend to heaven a living (spirit) soul the moment our bodies give up the Ghost (life).

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Your Claims Are "False"

Daniel 12:1-2 pertains to the future great tribulation, resurrection, and final judgement

1.) Is a time of trouble never seen in history seen below 100% yes, "Future"

2.) Is the book of life seen opened 100% yes, "Future"

3.) Is the resurrection of "All" seen 100% yes, "Future"

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[rwb]

False

Daniel 12:1-2 pertains to the future great tribulation, resurrection, and final judgement

Why should I believe you? You have nothing here but your opinion. You repeatedly state someone as false without showing how or why you have arrived at that conclusion. Until you can PROVE what is false, and why it is false, I will not believe you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why should I believe you? You have nothing here but your opinion.

Once again your claim is "False", the scripture is before your eyes, read it again and again

Daniel 12:1-2 pertains to the future great tribulation, resurrection, and final judgement

1.) Is a time of trouble never seen before in history seen below?

100% yes, the event described is "Future" and will be worse than World War II of 1945

2.) Is the book of life seen opened below?

100% yes, the event is "Future" in the final judgement at the second coming (The End)

3.) Is the resurrection of "All" seen below?

100% yes, the event takes place in the "Future" second coming on the last day (The End)

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev. 21[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Did you know that for the born again Christian, in the Spirit, this is true?
Jesus said this in KJV John 11[25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1 John 5:12-13.

Yes indeed, there shall be no more death.
Though our mortal bodies go into the graves (hell-the pit), we who are saved-sealed in Jesus, shall spiritually never die.

So then, since this is true, that there shall be no more death for the saved, can we say the same for the UNsaved, who know not God and do not obey the gospel of God?? 2 Thes. 1:7-10, Luke 17:28-30
YES, we can!

In the Day of Jesus' return from Heaven, in flaming fire and the fulness of His Immortality, all the unsaved shall be burned up, destroyed DEAD.
Therefore, there will be no one left alive to pro-create the human race.
Voila! "No more death", because there will be no more births.

So there you have it, there shall be no more death,....ever again, for both the saved and the unsaved. Death will have been completely vanquished, upon that day, "when He shall come to be glorified in His saints"

Agree. One thing worth noting is that Revelation 21:4 references part of this verse:

Isaiah 25:8 he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken.

That verse is also referenced here by Paul:

1 Cor 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

Earlier in 1 Corinthians 15, Paul indicated that "The last enemy to be destroyed is death" (verse 26). So, he places the timing of the last enemy being destroyed and "swallowed up in victory" at "the last trumpet" which will sound when Christ returns since that is when the dead in Christ will be raised (see 1 Cor 15:22-23 and 1 Thess 4:14-17). So, this places the timing of the fulfillment of Revelation 21:4 on the day Christ returns as well because it is at that point that the last enemy, death, will be destroyed and swallowed up in victory and it can then be said that there will be no more death after that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you not read Daniel 12 in context? The first four verses give us a good picture of the time reference Daniel is writing of.

When did Michael stand up for the children of his people? Rev 12 shows us when and how Michael stood up. It was with the advent of Christ born a man. When there was war in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels, with Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and bound to the earth. Dan 12 is not a parallel rendering of John 5 because Daniel writes of only MANY of the dead in the earth being awakened to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I agree with you on many things, but I have to disagree with you here. The Hebrew word translated as "many" in Daniel 12:2 also means "a multitude". So, "many" does not have to mean not all. For example, Jesus taught that many are called, but few are chosen (Matt 22:14). When He said that "many are called", was He saying that not all people are called? No. All people are called to salvation and the number of them is "many" or "a multitude". So, Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 are talking about the same event.

Daniel 12:1-4 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

In Daniel 12 the many dead that awake to everlasting life parallels Mt 27:52-53. Because Satan and his angels had been cast out of heaven, after the cross and resurrection MANY (not all) graves were opened and MANY (not all) saints arose, coming out of the graves and ascending to the holy city in heaven. New Jerusalem a spiritual habitation being built spiritually in heaven. There is no evidence of any physical resurrection of the dead making an appearance in earthly Jerusalem. But heavenly Jerusalem has an host of heavenly beings as witness for them there.

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

As for those from Daniel 12 awaking from the dead to shame and everlasting contempt, that too according to John 5 shall come to pass in the hour that is coming.

Wait a minute here. Obviously, Matthew 27:52-53 occurred almost 2,000 years ago. But, you are stretching that coming hour Jesus talked about out to at least 2,000 years or so? Sorry, but I can't buy that. Jesus was clearly indicating in John 5:28-29 that there is one hour or one event coming during which all of the dead, saved and lost, will be resurrected. All of the dead in Christ will be resurrected unto bodily immortality at that time while the unbelievers will be resurrected, judged and then cast into the lake of fire. That is what Daniel 12:2 is alluding to as well. To argue that "many" has to mean not all is not enough to support your case since "many" or "a multitude" can refer to all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is not false as Rev 20 shows just that, two separated resurrections. "the rest of the dead lived not until..." That will always be a thorn in the side of Amill. Why anyone believes the opposite of scripture is beyond me.

It does not show two mass bodily resurrections. What you and other Premils stubbornly refuse to acknowledge is that there is a good reason why two different Greek words are used to describe those who have had part in the first resurrection and the rest of the dead. The scripture indicates that those who share in or have part in the first resurrection (which scripture teaches is Christ's resurrection - Acts 26:23, etc.), "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years".

The Greek word used there is "zao" which is not a word used to describe someone being resurrected. The Greek word "anazao" is used to describe the rest of the dead living again. That word IS used to describe someone being resurrected. So, explain why the word "anazao" is not used to describe those who have part in the first resurrection if it's supposedly describing them all being bodily resurrected from the dead? The next Premil to deal with this honestly will be the first one.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is only One Resurrection of the Just.

Agree. And it is of all the just who are dead from all time. Do you agree with that?

Please show from Scripture TWO SEPARATE Resurrections of the JUSTIFIED Saints.

1 Thess 4:13-18 is the First Resurrection of Revelation ch20

Wait a minute. If that is the first resurrection and there is only resurrection of the just, then what about any saints who die during the supposed future earthly millennium that you believe in? Will they not be resurrected as well?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is man-centered religion and even worse is willful aggression thru man's intellect(PAI) against the Word.

Everyone needs/must submit to this Commandment - Revelation 22:18

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

Everyone must humble themselves before God - Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Everyone must choose this Day whom you will serve - Luke 11:23

He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

You are basically accusing everyone who doesn't agree with your INTERPRETATION of the book of Revelation to be adding to the words of the prophecy in the book which means you believe that everyone who disagrees with your OPINION on the book of Revelation will suffer God's wrath. Humble yourself! This is nonsense of the highest order. That verse (Rev 22:18) is not talking about misinterpreting the words of the book of Revelation. If that was the case then we would all be doomed since most likely NONE of us have it all right. That verse is talking about PURPOSELY adding to the book or taking away from the book as part of an agenda to make it say something it's not saying. I don't believe anyone here is doing that.

 

[David in NJ]

You are basically accusing everyone who doesn't agree with your INTERPRETATION of the book of Revelation to be adding to the words of the prophecy in the book which means you believe that everyone who disagrees with your OPINION on the book of Revelation will suffer God's wrath. Humble yourself! This is nonsense of the highest order. That verse (Rev 22:18) is not talking about misinterpreting the words of the book of Revelation. If that was the case then we would all be doomed since most likely NONE of us have it all right. That verse is talking about PURPOSELY adding to the book or taking away from the book as part of an agenda to make it say something it's not saying. I don't believe anyone here is doing that.

false accusation

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

false accusation

That is how you are coming across. Why else are you posting those scriptures repeatedly in response to those who disagree with you?

 

[David in NJ]

That is how you are coming across. Why else are you posting those scriptures repeatedly in response to those who disagree with you?

"Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you."

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you."

Do you ever quote those passages to people you agree with? I highly doubt it. I see that you don't want to admit that you think they apply to everyone who disagrees with you even though I know that is the case.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you ever quote those passages to people you agree with? I highly doubt it. I see that you don't want to admit that you think they apply to everyone who disagrees with you even though I know that is the case.

Yes , i have and yes i do.

Is it needful for everyone = YES

Is it commanded by the LORD for everyone = YES

Should we all humble ourselves before the LORD and HIS commandments (Prov 30:5-6, Rev 22:18) = ABSOLUTELY

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes , i have and yes i do.

Have you really? Not that I've seen. I've seen you post those scripture several times and NEVER in response to someone you agree with.

Is it needful for everyone = YES

Is it commanded by the LORD for everyone = YES

Should we all humble ourselves before the LORD and HIS commandments (Prov 30:5-6, Rev 22:18) = ABSOLUTELY

Do you think we don't all already know this? Of course we do. Yet, you feel the need to point these out repeatedly to those who disagree with you. Why? Because you think those passages apply to those who disagree with you which means you think anyone who disagrees with you is adding to God's words and adding or taking away from the book of Revelation. It's sad that you won't admit this when that is so obviously true.

 

[rwb]

I agree with you on many things, but I have to disagree with you here. The Hebrew word translated as "many" in Daniel 12:2 also means "a multitude". So, "many" does not have to mean not all. For example, Jesus taught that many are called, but few are chosen (Matt 22:14). When He said that "many are called", was He saying that not all people are called? No. All people are called to salvation and the number of them is "many" or "a multitude". So, Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 are talking about the same event.

We find this Hebrew word translated 'many' throughout the book of Daniel. It is never defined 'all'. Let's stick with the Hebrew, and specifically how Daniel consistently defines many.

To be consistent in your understanding, not 'many' but rather 'all' must be destroyed through deception. And the covenant confirmed to 'all' rather than 'many' for one week.

Daniel 8:25 (KJV) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Surely you would not argue that 'many' as Daniel uses in chapter 11 should ever be translated 'all'?

Da 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Da 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Da 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

One last point. Christ specifically tells us that 'many' not 'all' are called, and few chosen. Neither is the Greek word translated 'many' in Mt 22:14 to be understood as 'all'. The Gospel is proclaimed to ALL people without distinction but not to ALL without exception. The Gospel message telling us about Christ is freely offered to all people, but only those who hear and believe according to grace through faith shall be saved. Not all, but many.

Luke 13:23-24 (KJV) Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Wait a minute here. Obviously, Matthew 27:52-53 occurred almost 2,000 years ago. But, you are stretching that coming hour Jesus talked about out to at least 2,000 years or so? Sorry, but I can't buy that. Jesus was clearly indicating in John 5:28-29 that there is one hour or one event coming during which all of the dead, saved and lost, will be resurrected. All of the dead in Christ will be resurrected unto bodily immortality at that time while the unbelievers will be resurrected, judged and then cast into the lake of fire. That is what Daniel 12:2 is alluding to as well. To argue that "many" has to mean not all is not enough to support your case since "many" or "a multitude" can refer to all.

Daniel's prophesy is of the age in which the promised Messiah would come. Both the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament apostles refer to this age as the Day of the Lord. That day/age/era/time began when Christ came to earth a man, and it will not end until the last day of these last days when the seventh angel sounds that time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel, so the spiritual Kingdom of God can be complete, and there shall be time no longer. The hour coming when all in the graves shall be physically resurrected for life or damnation marks the last day of this age of Gospel grace, and the beginning of all things being made new again for the eternal age to come.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We find this Hebrew word translated 'many' throughout the book of Daniel. It is never defined 'all'. Let's stick with the Hebrew, and specifically how Daniel consistently defines many.

You seem to have missed the point. Just because it is translated in English as "many" does not mean that it has to mean "not all". So, the point is not to say that the word always means "all" which is what you seem to be arguing against here. No. The point is that it doesn't have to mean "not all". And that is a fact. Here is an example where that Hebrew word raḇ (Strong's H7227) is used and does not mean "not all".

Genesis 21:34 And Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land many H7227 days.

So, is this saying that Abraham sojourned in the Philistine's for only some of the days that he sojourned there? No, it's obviously referring to ALL of the days he sojourned there which numbered as "many days". So, the word does not mean "not all" in this verse.

Genesis 30:43 And the man increased exceedingly, and had much H7227 cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.

Note: "the man" here is a reference to Jacob. Is this referring to only some of Jacob's cattle, maidservants, etc. or to all of them? Clearly to all of them right? And he had "much" of them. So, the word does not mean "not all" in this verse.

I can give other examples, but I would hope that you see my point by now.

To be consistent in your understanding, not 'many' but rather 'all' must be destroyed through deception. And the covenant confirmed to 'all' rather than 'many' for one week.

Daniel 8:25 (KJV) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Surely you would not argue that 'many' as Daniel uses in chapter 11 should ever be translated 'all'?

Da 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Da 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Da 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Again, it appears that you have missed the point. My point is NOT that the word is always used to mean "all" rather than "not all". My point is that it is not always used to mean "not all", though it is used that way a majority of the time (which does not prove anything one way or another as it relates to Daniel 12:2).

One last point. Christ specifically tells us that 'many' not 'all' are called, and few chosen. Neither is the Greek word translated 'many' in Mt 22:14 to be understood as 'all'. The Gospel is proclaimed to ALL people without distinction but not to ALL without exception. The Gospel message telling us about Christ is freely offered to all people,

If it's freely offered to all people then that means all people are called to salvation. That is my point. But, only the ones who accept the offer are chosen/saved.

but only those who hear and believe according to grace through faith shall be saved. Not all, but many.

Of course not all are saved. You know I was not saying that, right?

Daniel's prophesy is of the age in which the promised Messiah would come. Both the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament apostles refer to this age as the Day of the Lord.

Where does the New Testament refer to the New Testament age or era as "the day of the Lord"? Certainly not in passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 or 2 Peter 3:10-13, so I'm wondering where you are getting this from.

That day/age/era/time began when Christ came to earth a man, and it will not end until the last day of these last days when the seventh angel sounds that time given this earth for proclaiming the Gospel, so the spiritual Kingdom of God can be complete, and there shall be time no longer. The hour coming when all in the graves shall be physically resurrected for life or damnation marks the last day of this age of Gospel grace, and the beginning of all things being made new again for the eternal age to come.

I agree with all of that, but help me understand something here about your overall view. Here is Daniel 12:2 for reference:

Daniel 12:2 (NIV) Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

You agree that this is talking about the bodily resurrection of the dead, right? And you think it's referring to what is described in Matthew 27:52-53 which obviously happened long ago. Is it your belief that those who were resurrected at that time were changed to have immortal bodies rather than having been resurrected in their mortal bodies? If so, how do you reconcile that with what Paul taught here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

I hope you realize that this is talking about bodily resurrections unto bodily immortality. Agree? Paul indicated that Christ's resurrection was the first. Next in order are those who belong to Him at His second coming. There's no mention of anyone else being resurrected unto bodily immortality at any other time. So, with that in mind, how could Daniel 12:2 possibly be referring to anything but the resurrection of the dead in Christ at His second coming when it talks about those who will be resurrected to everlasting life?

 

[David in NJ]

Have you really? Not that I've seen. I've seen you post those scripture several times and NEVER in response to someone you agree with.


Do you think we don't all already know this? Of course we do. Yet, you feel the need to point these out repeatedly to those who disagree with you. Why? Because you think those passages apply to those who disagree with you which means you think anyone who disagrees with you is adding to God's words and adding or taking away from the book of Revelation. It's sad that you won't admit this when that is so obviously true.

argumentative today i see

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

argumentative today i see

Just trying to get you to admit your true motive for posting those passages, but I see that you're not interested in doing that.

 

[Earburner]

So little North Korean children who die in a concentration camp are damned to Hell?

How many children died in the flood, or in Sodom?
Luke 17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.