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David in NJ

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YES!! And it's ALL about the saints being glorified in the LIKENESS of Jesus' immortality. For 2023 years Jesus has been WITH His Father, without a literal new global earth.

When Jesus Returns in all His Glory, He is going to do what?
He is going to take us, so that WHERE He is, there we may be also!!
Why?
He and His Father, together as One, are the NEW Heaven, and we are the NEW EARTH, WHEREIN dwelleth righteousness, being that of God Himself through Jesus.

Lest you forget, Jesus Himself also BECAME a NEW creature, but is exhonerated above us all, being the least of all, the Greatest of God's servants. He Himself, through the veil of His immortal flesh, is for the Father's, sake as well as for our sake, and therefore He is our NEW heaven. For no man shall see God at anytime. But for Jesus, who is the express lmage of God the Father, we SHALL see Him as He is. "He who has seen me, has seen the Father".
No, we are not the New Earth = that is adding to God's words and taking away from them as well.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”


And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
 

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Your claim is "False" Lazarus was "Raised From The Dead" not "Ressurected" as you falsely claim

The word "Resurrection" pertains to a future event at the second coming, when the believer receives their glorified immortal body


No, lol. "Raised From The Dead" and "Resurrected" are exactly the same things.

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The word resurrection here is the Greek word anastasis.

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anastasis
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From G450; a standing up again, that is, (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth): - raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
Total KJV occurrences: 42


The bolded words are how anastasis has been translated.

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again (anastasis): and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

These people who were resurrected did not rise as immortals. anastasis can mean a resurrection of immortality or just resurrecting back to mortal life.

Gill:

Hebrews 11:35
Women received their dead raised to life again,.... As the widow of Zarephath, and the Shunammite, 1Ki_17:22. Their sons were really dead, and they received them alive gain, from the hands of the prophets, Elijah and Elisha, in the way of a resurrection, and by faith; by the faith of the prophets:
 

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This change of our bodies from being natural, dishonorable, weak, and mortal to spiritual, glorious, powerful and immortal will not happen until the last trumpet sounds at Christ's return.
If you happen to arrive in Paradise prior to the Second Coming, are you going to demand that you walk around as a naked soul, waiting for your permanent incorruptible physical body, while everyone else has a physical body wearing garments of white, serving God day and night in the Temple of God?

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

This has been Paradise since the day of the Cross. The thief was the first one to start this process. All those currently enjoying Paradise will be those that Christ brings with Him at the Second Coming. They are not naked souls.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked."

But you seem to prefer to be found naked when you enter Paradise. Not a naked body, a naked soul without a body. Or do you think you are just going to hang out 6 feet underground, and not even enter Paradise? At least your soul would be covered, by dirt.
 
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Yes, in the mind of this body of death, the natural man, you are correct. But, as we both know, by being born again we now have the mind of Christ, who is Eternal.
That is what I am saying. I should have been more clear.

In Christ, our inner man is sealed by His Eternal Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Therefore, for we who do walk/live in Christ, time is no more, because in Him, we shall now never die.
It is called a soul.

Having the mind of Christ is a work, in progress.
 

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Same progressing Event with various Viewpoints established\/given/defined for it's targeted Audience.
The Second Coming starts in the Seals, gathers the sheep of Israel in the Trumpets and sows the harvest of the wheat in the 7 Thunders. It is systematic, and does not happen at the same time.

Jesus was not born, baptized, crucified, and resurrected in a twinkling of an eye, that needed 4 Gospels to view that single instant in a slower and different angle.

Jesus was on the earth for around 33 years. So, no, the Second Coming is not a single moment, but transpires over days, weeks, and probably even months. Not different Camara views of the same time, but an explanation of what happens in a chronological order. The church is not on the earth after the 6th Seal. The sheep are not on earth after the 6th Trumpet. The wheat is not on earth after the 7th Thunder. The only ones left are those who will be beheaded in Satan's 42 months and all those with the mark. At Armageddon all with the mark will be removed. The vials are after the 42 months during the 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.
 

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Every mortal human still left alive on the same first earth shall be utterly destroyed by the all consuming fire that shall come down from heaven. NONE will survive! There will not be mortals left alive to repopulate the new earth for one thousand more years! Discernment brother, come on.
No.

The verse says the works of earth. Humans are not the works of earth. People survive tremendous forest fires all the time. Yes homes and property are all burned up, but life goes on.

The only humans consumed by fire is after the 1,000 years. That time only humans are burned up, not any part of creation. You have no verse that states both happen at the same time.
 

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Bear with me and Scripture here.

In Fact, JESUS is the First Resurrection and the First Resurrection takes Place in HIM = "FIRST and LAST".

Now before we look at all the Scripture that clearly states this, i want everyone to know that the ANSWER is in this Post.
That is not what they are saying.

They are saying Jesus is the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5-6.

That resurrection is physical.

Jesus is not the physical resurrection.

Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is not the verse on the page or in the post. Our Bibles are copies of the Word. Jesus is the Word.

Our physical resurrection is a copy of Jesus' being the Resurrection and the Life.

The first resurrection is physical just like the first birth is physical and the first death is physical. The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is not even the chronological first in that chapter. It is the physical resurrection to a physical body. Not a mortal body, which is dead. Not even to an immortal body, which is Satan's Greek mythology.

It is to a permanent incorruptible physical body, ie the heavenly body which is from above ie spiritual, but not the spirit, only the physical. It is only termed spiritual in regards to being of God. The spirit is the third part of who we are, but not the breath or air of life, that is also the Greek term for spirit. Our spirit is not air. Air is part of creation that is figuratively used to describe the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit is not air. We are not air beings. We are spirit beings, the image of God within creation. Adam before disobedience, could communicate with God quite freely in the spirit. Adam had a spirit that allowed direct communication with God. It was not air.

The spirit is not even directly mentioned much in the OT, because the OT started with Moses and there was only word of mouth until Moses set the record straight, getting it directly from God on mount Sinai. It was brought up in the prophets. It was pointed out in the book of Kings. But Adam lost all ability to communicate with the spirit, and God literally forbade any human from even attempting to communicate in the spirit part of creation. Demons are human spirits that could no longer remain in the presence of God, because the human had become reprobate. The condition of life in Noah's day was total reprobation. That is why God wiped out both Adam's flesh and the sons of God created on the 6th day who became like Adam and was disobedient to God. I don't think it was the first generation, but many generations removed who became entagled in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The sons of God were removed and became the opposition to the demonic forces at play in the spiritual. They were still placed over the affairs of humans according to Job.

But the whole point of Jesus being the Resurrection and the Life was to restore Adam's dead corruptible flesh back into being a son of God.

Jesus was the first and only begotten son. All the rest were created. We in Adam's image were left on earth so that the many could be redeemed. Many generations of Adam's flesh and blood.

The main reason God reserved the last 1,000 years for His glory was to allow earth to end like it started. The reason why procreation does not happen in Paradise is because that was already accomplished on earth. Procreation will continue on earth as normal. That first resurrection generation will rule over their offspring for a 1000 years, and never stop living. Just like Adam would have in the original Garden, had he not disobeyed God. BTW I think Adam Disobeyed after 30 years of being in the Garden. Jesus was obedient to God in baptism at 30 years of age. Adam was not 30 years old. I think Adam was created on the 6th day. The Day of the Lord we call the Sabbath or "7th" day was also a millennium.

No one agrees with me that God had a thousand years without sin prior to Adam being placed in the Garden, but no one else has a Scriptural reason to point out the age of the earth either, and why it looks older than it is. There was literally 1,000 years where no trees, nor any plants that produce seeds ever died, nor even sprang to life. All the original trees and plants stayed the same for 1,000 years. That is literally what Genesis 2 states. Nothing died. Nothing wild came out of the ground. Nothing was planted. Humans and animals literally survived on fruit and seeds, and there was not even any waste.

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

Every last fruit and seed was accounted for as the diet of all that lived on the earth. Many generations for 1,000 years, all eating from the original trees and plants. There was literally no death period.

Then God planted a garden, and placed a man in that Garden and called that man, man. That is what Adam means. hā·’ā·ḏām Mankind is Adamkind.

The first man was created, the second man, Christ was the begotten human son of God.

And there won't be any mortal which literally means death living in the Millennium. Because nothing will die naturally just like the first 1,000 years. Death will exist, but those who die will be considered cursed. One can still disobey like Adam could disobey. The result will not bring sin into the world like what Adam did. Disobedience is instant death and placement in Death. No redemption and only the LOF as the end result for the one who disobeyed.
 

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I disagree. All born again Christians ARE NOW spiritually seated in heavenly places.
Eph. 2
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us SIT together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Though many cannot accept this now, the truth is:
Jesus Himself is our literal NEW Heaven, and we ourselves, are the literal NEW earth, whereIN DWELLETH righteousness, being that of God's righteousness.

To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG, and the Father IN us, through Jesus.
Why do you not agree with the ages to come then? Paul declares it right there in that verse.

Yes, all the church currently in Paradise is in Paradise. That is where they are physically sitting with God. You are not there quite yet, because Adam's dead corruptible flesh is not allowed. You have to wait until the soul leaves Adam's dead flesh and enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body.
 

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Nooooo..., I was DELIVERED by the Lord Himself, from that Jewish mind set of confusion, whereby they believe EACH literal week day IS equal to a literal 1000 years.

THEY seriously see themselves as being THE Messiah. THEY believe that they are "the suffering servant", who will bring about "a thousand years of peace".

I percieve that they actually might enjoy "Premils" teaching their view, BUT....definitely NOT through Jesus!
Welcome to "that spirit of antichrist".

Here is a site of many, that explains their human reasoning.
Like I said from the frying pan into the fire.

Many premill are wrong on many things. The only thing they get right is the Second Coming is prior to the Millennium as mentioned in Revelation 20.

You jumped into the fire and not that of the Holy Spirit either. At least not when you interpret Scripture about the Second Coming.

I don't need to know every wind of doctrine and human theology. I just need God's Word.
 

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No he was not resuscitated. Lazarus was dead longer than Jesus' body was in the tomb.

That means Jesus was resuscitated as well. That would mean Jesus never died, but was near death, as you claim of Lazarus.

Jesus was the firstborn of God. Enoch and Elijah already were translated to not see death thousands of years prior to Jesus even being born. Your argument has no proof in Scripture, but only in your human imagination.
I know what the religions (church-ianity) teach about Lazarus, as well as Enoch and Elijah. Unfortunately it is all based upon "the wisdom of men" 1 Cor. 2:5.
Only Jesus is the Firstborn from the dead, being Himself the very FIRST resurrection into immortality.

As to the death of Lazarus, if he was resurrected into immortality, then the words applied to Jesus, as being the FIRSTborn from the dead, would be a lie. Therefore my conclusion is that Lazarus was only restored back to his mortal life.
The Old Covenant was still applicable to Lazarus.

The New Covenant through Jesus was not yet in force, until the blood of Christ was shed, and His resurrection into the New Life of His immortality..
Church-ianity has fabricated and hatched a false understanding about Lazarus' death of Him being raised to new and immortal life.

One thing is certain, Lazarus was a believer. Jesus called Lazarus to be a "friend" unto Himself, therefore I am sure that after Jesus' resurrection, Lazarus received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit in the beginning days of Pentecost, and is sealed unto the day of redemption, upon Jesus' Glorious return.

As for Enoch and Elijah, who were "no more", and/or "taken", the same applies to them, concerning the shed blood of Christ, and His resurrection, being the very first resurrection into NEW Life. They did not and could not enter into the KoG, until the coming of the "Promised One", who is Jesus. Rom. 8:9 applies to all mortal men.

If anything took place for them at that time, they were written in God's "book of remembrance" (Malachi 3:16), and were in waiting of the Promise to come.
In Rev. 6:9-11, they would be among the symbolic 144,000 of Israel of faith, who are seen "under the altar", being then sealed with the Holy Spirit, after Christ's resurrection and ascension.
 
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Like I said from the frying pan into the fire.

Many premill are wrong on many things. The only thing they get right is the Second Coming is prior to the Millennium as mentioned in Revelation 20.

You jumped into the fire and not that of the Holy Spirit either. At least not when you interpret Scripture about the Second Coming.

I don't need to know every wind of doctrine and human theology. I just need God's Word.
We all, who live and believe in Christ have God's word. Unfortunately, many have been teaching and preaching it through the wisdom of men and not by the power of the mind/spirit of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:5. Rom. 8:9.

The Jewish concept, of how "a thousand years" is to be accounted for, is definitely through the wisdom of men, and therefore is not of God, but rather is "of that spirit of antichrist".
1 Thes. 5
[3] For when they [of the world] shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We, who are Born Again, are to heed the words of the Holy Spirit through Paul:
1 Cor. 3[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 

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Why do you not agree with the ages to come then? Paul declares it right there in that verse.
Eph. 2:7 is describing the ages/times of people who were to come, during the age of God's Grace in the world, ever since Pentecost.
God the Father has set no time limit on His age of Grace, except that He measures the length of it through our repentance.
When people stop repenting towards Him, through faith in Jesus, then shall He send Jesus for all His saints.
 

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The Second Coming starts in the Seals, gathers the sheep of Israel in the Trumpets and sows the harvest of the wheat in the 7 Thunders. It is systematic, and does not happen at the same time.

Jesus was not born, baptized, crucified, and resurrected in a twinkling of an eye, that needed 4 Gospels to view that single instant in a slower and different angle.

Jesus was on the earth for around 33 years. So, no, the Second Coming is not a single moment, but transpires over days, weeks, and probably even months. Not different Camara views of the same time, but an explanation of what happens in a chronological order. The church is not on the earth after the 6th Seal. The sheep are not on earth after the 6th Trumpet. The wheat is not on earth after the 7th Thunder. The only ones left are those who will be beheaded in Satan's 42 months and all those with the mark. At Armageddon all with the mark will be removed. The vials are after the 42 months during the 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.
The Second Coming occurs in an Instant = as lighting flashes across the sky

Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. And they will say to you, ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.​

 

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Bear with me and Scripture here.

In Fact, JESUS is the First Resurrection and the First Resurrection takes Place in HIM = "FIRST and LAST".

Now before we look at all the Scripture that clearly states this, i want everyone to know that the ANSWER is in this Post.

Yes, Christ is the "FIRST RESURRECTION" that takes place in HIM. Why do you continue to argue the first resurrection which is of Christ has not yet come? I get really tired of you ignoring the inconsistencies of your doctrine. You simply ignore any reply that proves your doctrine is a contradictory mess!
 

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the Body of Christ has not yet reached the Place in TIME where His Second Coming and the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ."

Are you kidding? No Christ has not yet come the second time! Here you go again denying the first resurrection of the dead in Christ comes when we who were spiritually dead have been spiritually raised to ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST! That's already happened! It happens every time one hears the Gospel and according to grace through faith believe Christ. From that moment we who have been born again IN CHRIST, partake of HIS FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE! That means we are of the first resurrection through Him. You know this, and agree with this, yet you continue to argue the first resurrection shall be physical resurrection from the graves when Christ comes again, totally ignoring the truth you have stated you agree with as though you don't really know what is truth and what is error?
 
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the Amill belief system is unverified and Holy Scripture only VERIFIES a literal 1,000 Rule & Reign

If there will be another one thousand years on this earth after Christ returns, why have you not proven it through the Word? If this is true there must be truth found in the Word. But all we get from millennialists is assumptions, guessing, and error! And when the inconsistencies are shown you ignore them!
 
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What your doing, along with others, is pitting scripture against scripture.

What is commanded to everyone is to submit unto God and dare not change so much as a coma in His words.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt ch5

No! What he is doing is proving the inconsistencies found in your doctrine! Quoting other Scripture verses and ignoring the contradictions in your doctrine does not disprove your doctrinal inconsistencies!
 

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Are you kidding? No Christ has not yet come the second time! Here you go again denying the first resurrection of the dead in Christ comes when we who were spiritually dead have been spiritually raised to ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST! That's already happened! It happens every time one hears the Gospel and according to grace through faith believe Christ. From that moment we who have been born again IN CHRIST, partake of HIS FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE! That means we are of the first resurrection through Him. You know this, and agree with this, yet you continue to argue the first resurrection shall be physical resurrection from the graves when Christ comes again, totally ignoring the truth you have stated you agree with as though you don't really know what is truth and what is error?
"Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?"
 

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Ok, by pasting your scripture choice above, do you see anything that resembles anything of a NEW heaven or a NEW earth, that might be of your imagination? You wouldn't be looking for something similar to what is now, would you? No fault to you, but most people do!! It's the ONLY knowledge that we KNOW OF, myself included.

The new heaven and new earth, as I understand it, will still be like that which God created in the beginning when He created the heaven and earth. A physical globe, created for physical life that He also created to inhabit the earth. Why would God resurrect the faithful from the graves to physical immortality and incorruptible flesh to inherit the new earth, if we are already the new earth?