"noah Was . . . Perfect In His Generations" ?

[TallMan]

What does the above phrase mean?What is a good source for finding out these things?Also I note that "day" in Gen.2:4 ("the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,") has a b in front of "yom" does tthis indicate idimatic use?Again, a source would be good.

 

[TallMan]

QUOTE (TallMan @ May 2 2009, 10:04 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=73229
What does the above phrase mean? . . .
I've just found what seems a good answer here:-"the crux of the matter, is the word perfect. In the Hebrew text, this is tamîm (Strong's #8549), and its basic meaning is "complete" or "entire." It does not mean "perfect" as we think of it today, as "without fault, flaw, or defect." Other English words that translate tamîm better than "perfect" are "whole," "full," "finished," "well-rounded," "balanced," "sound," "healthful," "sincere," "innocent," or "wholehearted." In the main, however, modern translators have rendered it as "blameless" in Genesis 6:9.This does not mean that Noah never sinned, but that he was spiritually mature and that he had a wholehearted, healthy relationship with God, who had forgiven him of his sins, rendering him guiltless. The thought in Genesis 6:9 extends to the fact that Noah was head-and-shoulders above his contemporaries in spiritual maturity. In fact, the text suggests that he was God's only logical choice to do His work.The New Testament concept of perfection, found in the Greek word téleios (Strong's #5056), is similar to tamîm. Perhaps the best-known occurrence of téleios occurs in Matthew 5:48: "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." "

 

[Christina]

Let me help you out here Tallman no it doesnt mean Noah did not sin ...As we know there was only one without sin and that was Jesus Christ So the question is what is Scripture saying here ... We can not have a contradiction here ... Gods Word has none but this would create a biggie if it were saying Noah was without sin ...It would litterally put Noah on a par with Jesus and this cannot be ... So we need to see what this word Perfect means more in depth. The best easy to understand source I know of is the appendix to the Companion Bible here is appen 26. (you can access the appendix from our resources area) 26. NOAH "PERFECT". (GEN. 6:9).The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13. Without Spot. Num. 19:2; 28:3, 9, 11; 29:17, 26. Undefiled. Ps. 119:1. This shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25. If we read scripture Gen. 6 it tells us the (sons of god) fallen Angels were mating (marrying) the daughters of men ... Noahs blood line was pure perfect ..not defiled by this obomination to God ..this unholy union of angels and men ... It was to protect this bloodline that Christ would come through ... that God brought the flood ... Think about this through your spiritual eyes ...Noah was Perfect ... Only Christ was without sin ...This explanation doesnt work Noah was perfect ... bodily and physical perfection... God cares nothing for how the flesh body appears ..its our soul he cares about ..This explanation doesnt work Noahs bloodline was perfect.... Not defiled ..the bloodline that our savior would come through .. this would be vital ... This explanation does work.....explains there is not contradiction here or in Gods Word ... and fits with the entire picture of scripture ...

 

[Vickie]

QUOTE (TallMan @ May 2 2009, 04:20 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=73230
I've just found what seems a good answer here:-"the crux of the matter, is the word perfect. In the Hebrew text, this is tamîm (Strong's #8549), and its basic meaning is "complete" or "entire." It does not mean "perfect" as we think of it today, as "without fault, flaw, or defect." Other English words that translate tamîm better than "perfect" are "whole," "full," "finished," "well-rounded," "balanced," "sound," "healthful," "sincere," "innocent," or "wholehearted." In the main, however, modern translators have rendered it as "blameless" in Genesis 6:9.This does not mean that Noah never sinned, but that he was spiritually mature and that he had a wholehearted, healthy relationship with God, who had forgiven him of his sins, rendering him guiltless. The thought in Genesis 6:9 extends to the fact that Noah was head-and-shoulders above his contemporaries in spiritual maturity. In fact, the text suggests that he was God's only logical choice to do His work.The New Testament concept of perfection, found in the Greek word téleios (Strong's #5056), is similar to tamîm. Perhaps the best-known occurrence of téleios occurs in Matthew 5:48: "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." "
Hi that was very informative and I enjoyed it greatly. Noah was made perfect in God. That he will be in the coming kingdom of God for the Lord called him a righteous man. Vickie

 

[Christina]

Tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moralThe word isnt spiritual its physical so it doesnt mean spititual maturity here anymore than a lamb to sacrificed was spiritually matureJust because something sounds good doesnt always make it true 26. NOAH "PERFECT". (GEN. 6:9).The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13. Without Spot. Num. 19:2; 28:3, 9, 11; 29:17, 26.