Not Saved by Faith nor Works alone, but by faith with works.

[robert derrick]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Adding alone to faith is adding to Scripture false doctrine. What is not of ourselves is the faith given us to be saved by, which is the faith of Jesus.

Our own faith alone is important to us, but nothing to God, if it is not His faith according to His word.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Faith alone without works of faith can save no man. It can make him feel good, and he can call himself something because of it, but it cannot not save him.

God does the saving and justifying of man, not man himself by his own faith and power of imagination nor theological mechanics.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Faith alone has no power to save any man, and only the faith that is given by God can justify a man by obeying and doing it:

And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Until we obey as that One obeyed, we shall not be made righteous as that One is righteous. If Jesus had to obey the faith of the Father to be the Justifier, certainly so must we obey His faith to be justified by Him.

And so, no man is saved nor justified by faith alone nor works alone, but only by faith with works, that alone is given by God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Romans 1


God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them

 

[robert derrick]

For by grace are ye saved through faith with works; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

I will more readily add one Scriptural teaching to another to make it complete, than to add rejection of Scripture elsewhere to corrupt both.

There are two different camps of Christianity today, and they choose one or the other to believe and live by:

For by grace are ye saved through faith alone; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

For by grace are ye saved through faith with works; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

The latter produces those works of righteousness without works of the flesh, and the other produces good works when they feel like it, while doing works of the flesh.

One believes loving Jesus is to obey Him, and they other believes in loving Jesus while disobeying Him.

For one, obedience is love by grace, and for the other, obedience is a dirty word that defiles grace.

 

[dev553344]

God does the saving, not man

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

You should read all of James 2.

Work, good deeds, do not save us.
We do not work our way to salvation or heaven.

Good works are evidence of being saved and justified by and in the spirit.
What is Justification? Bible Meaning and Definition

If we claim we are saved yet do nothing to serve the leading of God to his will on earth,we lie to ourselves.

Like saying, ''Im saved!''
Only to have a starving person fall before our feet and rather than help we step over them, say something like, ''get a job!'', and keep walking.

That is not a Christian. That is an atheist wearing a label.

Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

 

[mailmandan]

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims (key word) he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. Not to be confused with faith in Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

 

[MatthewG]

Personal works for the Lord on just behalf of loving God and loving others, is by believing in the one God had sent. A person who grows and matures in the knowledge of God and learning about Him and the Lord Jesus and the what the bible does inherently state and talks about concerning the context of whatever it is you are reading while you are own.

Your only personal work as a Christian is to believe that Jesus had came, and to believe on the one whom Sent him, along with the resurrection in which a believer comes into a new life by and through the holy spirit given to them by God, through the Lord Yeshua Christ.

It is to allow your mind to be renewed and washed by reading the word and having a relationship through prayer and supplications to God, and to pray for others while living in this life, and allowing also to God to work in your heart and mind about what is right to do allowing the Spirit of Christ to come through you by faith and faith is hoping in the things that are unseen.

 

[robert derrick]

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

You should read all of James 2.

Work, good deeds, do not save us.
We do not work our way to salvation or heaven.

Good works are evidence of being saved and justified by and in the spirit.
What is Justification? Bible Meaning and Definition

If we claim we are saved yet do nothing to serve the leading of God to his will on earth,we lie to ourselves.

Like saying, ''Im saved!''
Only to have a starving person fall before our feet and rather than help we step over them, say something like, ''get a job!'', and keep walking.

That is not a Christian. That is an atheist wearing a label.

Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Reread the title. We are not saved by works, but we are not saved without works of faith. Also try reading the argument, and try correct point you like.

Without the works, you are not saved nor justified, but are left with your own faith and imagination alone.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Reread the title. We are not saved by works, but we are not saved without works of faith. Also try reading the argument, and try correct point you like.

Without the works, you are not saved nor justified, but are left with your own faith and imagination alone.

Try reading the Good News.

 

[robert derrick]

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims (key word) he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. Not to be confused with faith in Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

And so faith alone can save no man without the works proving it.

Simple.

The error of faith alone salvationists, is that they want to be and remain forever saved by faith alone before and apart from any works proving their faith is of God, and not of themselves only.

In this way, as they continue doing the sinful works of the flesh, they are still unconditionally saved by believing it alone.

Garbage faith of self-deceiving hypocrites.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is simple sense of Scriptural truth. All else is just theology speak, justifying sinners saved by their own grace.

 

[robert derrick]

Try reading the Good News.

You mean the good news of being delivered from the power of sin, so that we don't need to sin anymore against God?

Or that other good news of being delivered from the judgment of sinning, so that we don't need to fear the Lord anymore, while still sinning against Him?

I don't like your good news. I'll take that of Jesus.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You mean the good news of being delivered from the power of sin, so that we don't need to sin anymore against God?

Or that other good news of being delivered from the judgment of sinning, so that we don't need to fear the Lord anymore, while still sinning against Him?

I don't like your good news. I'll take that of Jesus.

If you did you wouldn't have an issue with his Gospel, nor twist it into an anti-gospel. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Enoch111]

Adding alone to faith is adding to Scripture false doctrine.

No. it is not and you even quoted the verse which says "by GRACE through FAITH" + nothing. So the one with false doctrine is Robert Derrick.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

No. it is not and you even quoted the verse which says "by GRACE through FAITH" + nothing. So the one with false doctrine is Robert Derrick.

2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,



Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

What Does the Bible Say About By Grace Through Faith Plus Nothing?

 

[mailmandan]

And so faith alone can save no man without the works proving it.

Simple.

At what point was Abraham's faith accounted to him for righteousness? In Genesis 15:6 when he believed in the Lord, and God accounted it to him for righteousness? (Romans 4:2-3) Or not until many years later, after Abraham was said to be justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? (James 2:21) Obviously in Genesis 15:6. If Abraham would have refused to offer up Isaac on the altar, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith, but that was not the case. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

The error of faith alone salvationists, is that they want to be and remain forever saved by faith alone before and apart from any works proving their faith is of God, and not of themselves only.

Faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone salvationists (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) understand that Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Romans 3:24-28) and that we are saved the moment that we place our faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. God imputes righteousness apart from works. Saved by grace through faith, not works. Plain and simple. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. All genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

The error of works-salvationists is they believe that both faith and works are the root of salvation and that we are saved by both faith and works. Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation or else we are 100% lost.

In this way, as they continue doing the sinful works of the flesh, they are still unconditionally saved by believing it alone.

So you also add sinless perfection to salvation by works. That's not faith in Christ alone for salvation, but faith in self performance/works.

Garbage faith of self-deceiving hypocrites.

Performance based works salvation is garbage faith of unbelieving hypocrites.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Children of God practice righteousness BECAUSE they are righteous and not in order to become righteous. You put the cart before the horse, just as you do with faith and works.

This is simple sense of Scriptural truth. All else is just theology speak, justifying sinners saved by their own grace.

Works salvation is no salvation at all and those who believe they are sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time exactly as Jesus was and is are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[Robert Gwin]

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Adding alone to faith is adding to Scripture false doctrine. What is not of ourselves is the faith given us to be saved by, which is the faith of Jesus.

Our own faith alone is important to us, but nothing to God, if it is not His faith according to His word.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Faith alone without works of faith can save no man. It can make him feel good, and he can call himself something because of it, but it cannot not save him.

God does the saving and justifying of man, not man himself by his own faith and power of imagination nor theological mechanics.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Faith alone has no power to save any man, and only the faith that is given by God can justify a man by obeying and doing it:

And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Until we obey as that One obeyed, we shall not be made righteous as that One is righteous. If Jesus had to obey the faith of the Father to be the Justifier, certainly so must we obey His faith to be justified by Him.

And so, no man is saved nor justified by faith alone nor works alone, but only by faith with works, that alone is given by God through Jesus Christ.

You have two threads on this Rob, but yes sir, I couldn't have said it any better myself. The faith and works of true Christians are what justifies them for salvation.

 

[robert derrick]

2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,



Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

What Does the Bible Say About By Grace Through Faith Plus Nothing?

When you have to lie about the teaching, the teaching is likely true.

You faith alone sinners call it works based, not me. Just reread the title, then try again.

Faith with works is Scripture. Faith alone is dead.

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Paul is speaking of babies that never grow up nor go on to the works of Abraham by which he was justified. The better persuasion is works of faith that accompany faith.

There is no such persuasion with faith alone sinners who reject growing up to be justified by Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

The reason faith alone sinners reject faith with works, is because they are still dead in their sins and trespasses and have not the Spirit of Christ, and so they know nothing of the first works that accompany salvation, which are spiritual.

As with Abraham so with any other saint in Christ Jesus who fights the good fight of spiritual warfare: fighting against temptation within the mind to resist the devil and not deny God for the flesh and fail to do His will.

Abraham resisted the lies of the devil within his own mind all the way up the hill, to deny the Lord's word to him to offer up Isaac.

The blind sinners and trespassers of the world know nothing of the faith of Abraham nor the spiritual warfare of Jesus Christ living within.

Even as their faith is dead, so are the works absent.

 

[robert derrick]

Personal works for the Lord on just behalf of loving God and loving others, is by believing in the one God had sent. A person who grows and matures in the knowledge of God and learning about Him and the Lord Jesus and the what the bible does inherently state and talks about concerning the context of whatever it is you are reading while you are own.

Your only personal work as a Christian is to believe that Jesus had came, and to believe on the one whom Sent him, along with the resurrection in which a believer comes into a new life by and through the holy spirit given to them by God, through the Lord Yeshua Christ.

It is to allow your mind to be renewed and washed by reading the word and having a relationship through prayer and supplications to God, and to pray for others while living in this life, and allowing also to God to work in your heart and mind about what is right to do allowing the Spirit of Christ to come through you by faith and faith is hoping in the things that are unseen.

From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Our personal work is the same as that of Abraham, to resist the devil and do the will of God we know to do.

And neither Abraham nor any child of Abraham in faith is justified until after that work is rightly done in sight of God.

And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

The test is simple and must always be proven: do we love anything as an idol above the Lord, including our own flesh and blood and even our own skin. If we our old man is not crucified on our own cross, as Abraham was willing to do with his own son, then our heart is double minded and we must repent and do the good spiritual working of resisting the devil, until he flees from us.

Faith alone Christians are blind to the first works of defeating all tempting thoughts within our minds, because they have not the Spirit of Christ through their own imaginary faith alone.

One's personal 'work' of believing in God only, is no work at all. You can call it work, but God calls it vain and cheap pretense.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

We are saved and justified by Christ through faith with works in the spirit and in the flesh, and no man is saved by dead faith alone without those same works of faith crucifying the flesh as Abraham.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

When you have to lie about the teaching, the teaching is likely true.

You faith alone sinners call it works based, not me. Just reread the title, then try again.

Faith with works is Scripture. Faith alone is dead.

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Paul is speaking of babies that never grow up nor go on to the works of Abraham by which he was justified. The better persuasion is works of faith that accompany faith.

There is no such persuasion with faith alone sinners who reject growing up to be justified by Christ.

Uh huh.


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