Do you want to discuss the scriptures in the OP regarding the office of "Pope' in the Bible???
Do you want to discuss the Eucharist that you don't believe in???
Do you want to argue about what a metaphor or symbol means???
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The flesh profits nothing." and how many times do I have to explain it does not mean what you think it means???
John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 – Jesus uses an even more literal verb, translated as “trogo,” which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, “trogo” is never used metaphorically in Greek.
So Scott, you cannot find one verse in Scripture where “trogo” is used symbolically, and yet this must be your argument if you are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus’ words. Moreover, the Jews already knew Jesus was speaking literally even before Jesus used the word “trogo” when they said “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52)
For the second time,
“trogo” is never used metaphorically or spiritually in Greek.
“How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52) for the second time, and I got no answer from you as to how you would answer this question. I even spoon fed you the verses.
John 6:61-63 – Jesus acknowledges their disgust. Jesus’ use of the phrase “the spirit gives life” means the disciples need supernatural faith, not logic, to understand His words.
John 3:6 –
Jesus often used the comparison of “spirit versus flesh” to teach about the necessity of possessing supernatural faith versus a natural understanding. In Mark 14:38 Jesus also uses the “spirit/flesh” comparison. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We must go beyond the natural to understand the supernatural. In 1 Cor. 2:14,3:3; Rom 8:5; and Gal. 5:17, Paul also uses the “spirit/flesh” comparison to teach that unspiritual people are not receiving the gift of faith. They are still “in the flesh.” (for the second time)
John 3:6 – Jesus often used the comparison of “spirit versus flesh” to teach about the necessity of possessing supernatural faith versus a natural understanding. In Mark 14:38 Jesus also uses the “spirit/flesh” comparison. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We must go beyond the natural to understand the supernatural. In 1 Cor. 2:14,3:3; Rom 8:5; and Gal. 5:17, Paul also uses the “spirit/flesh” comparison to teach that unspiritual people are not receiving the gift of faith. They are still “in the flesh.”
Scott, you cannot explain why there is not one place in Scripture where “spirit” means “symbolic".
Jesus uses the word which is translated as “sarx.” “Sarx” means flesh (not “soma” which means body). See, for example, John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; and Luke 3:6; 24:39 which provides other examples in Scripture where “sarx” means flesh. It is always literal.
You cannot find a spiritual application for "sarx" (body) anywhere in the Bible. It is always literal.
I dare you to examine the context of "
The flesh profits nothing."
John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard
this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,
they are spirit, and
they are life.
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that
time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68T Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go?
thou hast the words of eternal life.
What words is Peter talking about? All His words in the NT? Or the words in the context of what Jesus just said?
Where does Jesus command us to spiritually partake as the equivalent of eating His Flesh and Blood, in the form of consecrated Bread and Wine? It's not Catholics with the man made tradition of a dead eucharist.
