I believe God motivates us unto good works that are commensurate with the blessings that await us (rewards). Not that good works earn rewards, they reflect the blessings God has in store for us.
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this is...whacked ok, no offense meant. The words are incontestable, but the obv inference is Death More Abundantly, unless i'm badly mistaken
When are these earned rewards dispensed?
How does the judgement, 2 Corinthians 5:10, fit with your concept of "salvation" here if i may ask, iow
if you are irrevocably "saved" right now, then what happens if your works are judged to be evil?
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Good works = blessings from God that speak for corresponding and proportionate blessings we enjoy forever, wadr.
If you hold that these passages (the latter end of Mark 16, the first part of John 8, the latter half of Romans 8:1, Jesus' words in Luke 9:55-56, 1 John 5:7, etc.) are not a part of inspired scripture, beware lest you be judged as having taken away from the word of the Lord; and your part will be taken from the Book of Life and the holy city.
Through faith of the operation of God (Colossians 2:11-12).
See also 1 Peter 3:20-21. The latter part of the first verse indicates water baptism is what is being spoken of; the second verse indicates that baptism doth also now save us. I'm not certain why people are convinced that it is sound doctrine to deny the truth of this scripture.
Obviously, merely calling on the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth has the ability to save anyone (Romans 10:13, Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12). But can anyone truly forbid water? If baptizing someone saves every time, we ought to be baptizing people as a matter of course; for I find that it is a worthy confession of the Lordship of Jesus Christ (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); and it would be salvational in that it is a true confession of Jesus before men; while going forward at a Crusade or in church a person can get lost in the crowd; such is a confession that is not as public as actually going under the water and identifying with His death, burial, and resurrection.
Inconsistent, others didn’t receive the Holy Spirit at baptism and some before it.
What’s ironic about that is the people not in the Ark, but where in the water were the ones that were judged. It’s not the “removal of dirt from the body” but a clean conscience to towards. Christ is our “ark” that saves us from judgment.
Acts 2.41 shows that people were baptised because they had believed when they gladly received his word; they were not baptised in order to become believers.
A true believer will be baptized but to state that "baptism saves" one is not making room for faith, belief, repentance, etc.
People who say, "baptism saves" remove the importance of belief, faith, repentance, and grace. Salvation is summed up in just the action of baptism, which is false.
True faith is an obedient faith so a believer will be baptized, it is not an option.
True faith seeks every opportunity to show God's grace that saved us through faith. God's grace that saves. Belief, faith, repentance, and baptism are all witnesses of God's saving grace. All of these point to God's saving grace.
Faith does not stand alone; it produces fruit.
Repentance does not stand alone; one must turn away from sin.
Belief does not stand alone; even demons believe.
Baptism does not stand alone; some are baptized and are not saved.
One believes unto righteousness and by faith we are justified, an obedient faith will follow all that is in the Bible. It is all the work of God and His saving grace.
Believers are to be baptized. No sinner dead in their sin would ever take the steps to be baptized unless they have first been convicted and repented of their sins and put their faith in Christ.
People who say, "baptism saves" remove the importance of belief, faith, repentance, and grace. Salvation is summed up in just the action of baptism, which is false.
True faith is an obedient faith so a believer will be baptized, it is not an option.
True faith seeks every opportunity to show God's grace that saved us through faith. God's grace that saves. Belief, faith, repentance, and baptism are all witnesses of God's saving grace. All of these point to God's saving grace.
Faith does not stand alone; it produces fruit.
Repentance does not stand alone; one must turn away from sin.
Belief does not stand alone; even demons believe.
Baptism does not stand alone; some are baptized and are not saved.
One believes unto righteousness and by faith we are justified, an obedient faith will follow all that is in the Bible. It is all the work of God and His saving grace.
Believers are to be baptized. No sinner dead in their sin would ever take the steps to be baptized unless they have first been convicted and repented of their sins and put their faith in Christ.
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Salvation is spiritually discerned when occurring Scripturally; it is not produced by the baptismal water, as so many believe.
As the saying goes, we don't work to get saved, we are saved to do works. Good works, done after you permanently have eternal life, gain rewards and with bad works or no good works, you will suffer loss. You are Gentiles. Paul is your ONLY apostle. He was chosen and sent by Jesus Christ for this position and was trained by Jesus Christ, though the many special revelations he received from Christ. For Gentiles, Paul's word is the last word. Paul's words are Jesus Christ's words. These 2 passages are all you need, Believe them totally and you have eternal life. Period!
1Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 2:8_9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
When you fully believe, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit that will now be in you. This guarantees your salvation. When you die, the Spirit will return to God who gave it, Eccl 12:7. You will not immediately go to Heaven when you die, only Christ has ever ascended to Heaven, Jn 3:13. You will eventually be resurrected and will go the Heaven if you are chosen. If not, you will likely be on the New Earth, paradise. When God becomes All in All, anyplace in His Universe will be indescribably Wonderful. Unbelievers do not have the Spirit of God within them and, therefore, no spirit will return to God when they die. They will simply die permanently. No unbeliever will ever be resurrected. No unbeliever will ever have a second chance. The ungodly (unbelievers) will not stand in the judgments, Ps 1:5. They are already judged.
Eph 1:12-13
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
There are many people that will tell you that you must do certain things, besides believe, to get saved. What they are actually saying is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was NOT SUFFICIENT to save you, which, of course, is heresy. You are, however, expected to do good works after you are saved, and you will ultimately be rewarded for these or, if you don't do them, you will suffer loss. For your walk, read the last 3 chapters of Ephesians. All works BEFORE salvation are 100% worthless in the eyes of God. He won't even look at them.
Water Baptism is based on the all-Israel OT and was only for Jews, proselytes, and the Gentiles in the Acts Church, who were part of Israel, since they were grafted into Israel. Anything and everything required of today's Gentiles, none of whom has ANY association with Israel, whatsoever, is found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. These 7 books contain the very latest information that Paul received, by revelation, from Jesus Christ. Much in those 7 books overrides what in Paul's 7 Acts books.
Actually, NOTHING about our future is found in Paul's Acts books or any of the other 59 all-Israel books, including the Gospels. EVERYTHING in Paul's 7 post-Acts books was contained in a mystery which was hid in God since the world began. Therefore, it is impossible that ANYTHING from the 59 Israel books is TO or ABOUT us Gentiles today, except for Christ.
Only in those 7 books will you find that we Gentiles have a possible Hope of going to Heaven. No Jew in the other 59 books EVER had a chance of going to Heaven. Search and See. Israel are an Earthly people, and the Gentiles living today are a Heavenly people. Nothing EVER given to Israel (all of which is earthly) in those all-Israel 59 books, except Christ, was EVER given to today's Gentiles. We have our own far, far better Heavenly things, which are found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles.
1Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 2:8_9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
When you fully believe, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit that will now be in you. This guarantees your salvation. When you die, the Spirit will return to God who gave it, Eccl 12:7. You will not immediately go to Heaven when you die, only Christ has ever ascended to Heaven, Jn 3:13. You will eventually be resurrected and will go the Heaven if you are chosen. If not, you will likely be on the New Earth, paradise. When God becomes All in All, anyplace in His Universe will be indescribably Wonderful. Unbelievers do not have the Spirit of God within them and, therefore, no spirit will return to God when they die. They will simply die permanently. No unbeliever will ever be resurrected. No unbeliever will ever have a second chance. The ungodly (unbelievers) will not stand in the judgments, Ps 1:5. They are already judged.
Eph 1:12-13
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
There are many people that will tell you that you must do certain things, besides believe, to get saved. What they are actually saying is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was NOT SUFFICIENT to save you, which, of course, is heresy. You are, however, expected to do good works after you are saved, and you will ultimately be rewarded for these or, if you don't do them, you will suffer loss. For your walk, read the last 3 chapters of Ephesians. All works BEFORE salvation are 100% worthless in the eyes of God. He won't even look at them.
Water Baptism is based on the all-Israel OT and was only for Jews, proselytes, and the Gentiles in the Acts Church, who were part of Israel, since they were grafted into Israel. Anything and everything required of today's Gentiles, none of whom has ANY association with Israel, whatsoever, is found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. These 7 books contain the very latest information that Paul received, by revelation, from Jesus Christ. Much in those 7 books overrides what in Paul's 7 Acts books.
Actually, NOTHING about our future is found in Paul's Acts books or any of the other 59 all-Israel books, including the Gospels. EVERYTHING in Paul's 7 post-Acts books was contained in a mystery which was hid in God since the world began. Therefore, it is impossible that ANYTHING from the 59 Israel books is TO or ABOUT us Gentiles today, except for Christ.
Only in those 7 books will you find that we Gentiles have a possible Hope of going to Heaven. No Jew in the other 59 books EVER had a chance of going to Heaven. Search and See. Israel are an Earthly people, and the Gentiles living today are a Heavenly people. Nothing EVER given to Israel (all of which is earthly) in those all-Israel 59 books, except Christ, was EVER given to today's Gentiles. We have our own far, far better Heavenly things, which are found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles.
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The Holy Ghost is absolutely promised as a conditional promise in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.
It is the washing away of sins, however, Acts of the Apostles 22:16.
It depends on what they mean by baptism. It is normally defined by those who say that it saves as an act of faith in identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as a confession of Him before men (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); and He will confess them before the Father and the angels of God as a result: which indicates to me that it is salvational as a confession of Christ.
Also, baptism apart from faith in the operation of God (Colossians 2:12 (kjv)) is just getting wet.
Baptism must also be in the name of Jesus Christ to be salvational, as we are saved through His name, Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12; and that water baptism saves is clear from 1 Peter 3:20-21.
So then, since it does save, it does not save apart from being done in the name of Jesus Christ, since there is none other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved, than by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth (and therefore baptizing in titles is not going to cut it).
It is through faith in His name, which means that faith/belief is an integral part of it; and also, if the focus is Acts of the Apostles 2:38, it is clear that that scripture requires repentance as a prerequisite to baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins; as these are the conditions to the conditional promise of the Holy Ghost in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.
Now apart from baptism it is possible to be saved, in simply calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Romans 10:13, Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved, see also Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12). Of course, in New Testament times, this calling on the name of the Lord normally took place at baptism, Acts of the Apostles 22:16).
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In the days of the New Testament church, baptism was the initiation into the faith of Christianity; and therefore, if you told them that getting baptized was the result of heresy (and that they wouldn't end up being saved because of it) because they weren't trusting in the finished work of Christ if they got baptized, you would be laughed off the face of the planet. They were expressing their faith and trust in the finished work of Christ by getting baptized.
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When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the LORD Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17
Acts 10, Cornelius was baptized after receiving the Holy Spirit, he was saved when he was baptized. Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation.
None of that changes any of what I said in post #74 (On How to be saved).
Were any of those who received the Holy Ghost through the laying on of the apostles' hands unbaptized?
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Are you telling us that you are expecting to be (or are already) SINLESSLY PERFECT? Even Paul did not make such a claim.
They were baptized yet did not receive the Holy Spirit until hands where placed on them.
justification is through faith
baptism is for believers
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