Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

Well, unlike our sinful dad's on earth our heavenly dad keeps his promises. So no, he wasn't kidding.

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

It's the only way to be saved. God will know if you truly believe it in your heart. If God didn't raise Jesus from the dead then what's the point of doing good deeds that you speak of,
are u impress yourself. what are you preaching, faith in self. is the catholi church still in their sins. are even the dead in their graves also lost?
Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.

1 Cor 15:17-18 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

God bless

Your problem is that you cherry-pick verses fro Scripture and absolutize them.
Take for example, Rom. 10:9, which YOU quoted as the way we are saved. It's NOT. It's a starting point.

Matt. 7:21 tells us in NO uncertain terms that NOT everybody who calls on the Lord will be saved. Is this a contradiction? Nope. It simply shows the context of verses like Rom. 10:19.

Jesus states emphatically that only those who are Baptized will be saved (Mark 16:16, John 3:5).
God's love is unconditional. Salvation, however, is conditional on our cooperation with God's grace.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where is the Church at Rome in Revelation? Where is there any correction to follow the church started by Peter in Revelation?

The 7 Churches of Revelation are NOT the only Churches at that time.
As I educated you before - there is NO mention of the Church in Rome or Corinth or Thessalonica or Phrygia or Pamphylia or Antioch or ANYWHERE else. These 7 Churches were being used as examples.

You need to be able to properly divide Scripture - something you haven't learned yet . . .

So like... as per the Catholic Catechism, if you do all the sacraments and the works within the church, but have not love, you are not saved? So like, the sacraments and any other works done in the church does not really save you, because they are nothing, right?

Now in regards to my faith...
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
And since love is a fruit of the Spirit;
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

God will freely give us all things.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Then all a believer needs to do when he or she finds it difficult to love even an enemy is to ask Jesus for help as it is on Him to provide the love just as it is on Him to justify us.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

I believe Jesus Christ. I do not believe the lying "Church" that is proclaiming that the "Church" is the way to obtain salvation by.

As to your questions in RED - you are correct.
Simply going through the motions does not help you.

As to your last comment in RED - this is perhaps the most moronic thing you've said so far.

The Church is the BODY of Christ and He is the HEAD (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18). He equates His Church with His very SELF (Acts 9:4-5).
HOW can the Body of Christ - which is Christ Himself on earth be a "liar"??

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The 7 Churches of Revelation are NOT the only Churches at that time.
As I educated you before - there is NO mention of the Church in Rome or Corinth or Thessalonica or Phrygia or Pamphylia or Antioch or ANYWHERE else. These 7 Churches were being used as examples.

You need to be able to properly divide Scripture - something you haven't learned yet . . .

You are still missing my point. The Church you say we all are supposed to take our lead from; why is that not mentioned as a thing to do to any churches in Revelation to avoid going astray?????

As to your questions in RED - you are correct.
Simply going through the motions does not help you.

As to your last comment in RED - this is perhaps the most moronic thing you've said so far.

The Church is the BODY of Christ and He is the HEAD (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18). He equates His Church with His very SELF (Acts 9:4-5).
HOW can the Body of Christ - which is Christ Himself on earth be a "liar"??

We, the believers are the body of Christ; not an organization or a denomination. As Christ is the head of the church ( NOT THE POPE ) and thus the head of each believer, is why you cannot see making the "Church" the Savior is not Jesus Christ. You are not saved by coming to a Catholic Church. You are saved by coming to Jesus Christ in believing in Him.

Was the Ethiopian eunuch saved when Philip was taken away by the Spirit? Yes, but you would have us believe that the church at Rome has to be present and running for sinners to run to before any one can be saved.

What the RCC teaches cannot apply to all the believers that has been saved in the N.T. and the RCC did not become that self proclaimed Church for all to come to and be saved through by doing all those works of sacraments within until centuries later, brother.

You are being ripped off of your joy of salvation in Christ Jesus. You are saved, brother, simply by believing in Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead. The fact that you have the Holy Spirit in you is your guarantee that you are saved so we can tell others the Good News on how to be saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are still missing my point. The Church you say we all are supposed to take our lead from; why is that not mentioned as a thing to do to any churches in Revelation to avoid going astray?????

The 7 Churches are examples of what was happening among in the Church in different locations. For the most part, they were being reprimanded. The Church at Philadelphia got it right. I don't see why the Church at Rome needs to be mentioned at ALL here because this isn't about Authority. It's about adherence to faith.

We, the believers are the body of Christ; not an organization or a denomination. As Christ is the head of the church ( NOT THE POPE ) and thus the head of each believer, is why you cannot see making the "Church" the Savior is not Jesus Christ. You are not saved by coming to a Catholic Church. You are saved by coming to Jesus Christ in believing in Him.

Was the Ethiopian eunuch saved when Philip was taken away by the Spirit? Yes, but you would have us believe that the church at Rome has to be present and running for sinners to run to before any one can be saved.

What the RCC teaches cannot apply to all the believers that has been saved in the N.T. and the RCC did not become that self proclaimed Church for all to come to and be saved through by doing all those works of sacraments within until centuries later, brother.

You are being ripped off of your joy of salvation in Christ Jesus. You are saved, brother, simply by believing in Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead. The fact that you have the Holy Spirit in you is your guarantee that you are saved so we can tell others the Good News on how to be saved.

First of all - the CHURCH is the Body of Christ.
The tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually splintering sects of Protestantism are "denominations" of that ONE Church. They are self-separated from that ONE Church. That is an historical and ecclesiastical FACT.

Secondly - your continued misuse of "RCC" to describe the Catholic Church illustrates one of two things:
a. Either, you're not that bright and continue to use that term even AFTER I explained it to you.
b. You are purposely being uncharitable and don't want to have an intelligent discussion.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Your problem is that you cherry-pick verses fro Scripture and absolutize them. Take for example, Rom. 10:9, YOU quoted as the way we are saved. It's NOT. It's a starting point.

And a lot of religious even fail at that. Has Jesus risen BOL? 1 Cor 15:12-19 disagrees with ya

Matt. 7:21 tells us in NO uncertain terms that NOT everybody who calls on the Lord will be saved. Is this a contradiction? Nope. It simply shows the context of verses like Rom. 10:19.

Well, if you read Matt 7:15-23 in context, you will see that it's referring to false prophets preaching works salvation.

Matt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Jesus states emphatically that only those who are Baptized will be saved (Mark 16:16, John 3:5).

There's that word believe again.. (spiritual water)

Isa 12:3 Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of salvation.

Isa 58:11 "And the LORD will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones; And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

Eze 47:9 "It will come about that every living creature which swarms in every place where the river goes, will live. And there will be very many fish, for these waters go there and the others become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Jhn 4:14 But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life."

Jhn 7:38-39 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

God's love is unconditional. Salvation, however, is conditional on our cooperation with God's grace.

To the relgious it's conditional because they haven't fully surrendered and given their life to Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 8:1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that "We all possess knowledge." But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.

God bless

 

[BreadOfLife]

And a lot of religious even fail at that. Has Jesus risen BOL? 1 Cor 15:12-19 disagrees with ya

Huh?? What are you talking about??
HOW does 1 Cor 15:12-19 differ from what I said??

Well, if you read Matt 7:15-23 in context, you will see that it's referring to false prophets preaching works salvation.
Matt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

WRONG.
It is NOT speaking about false prophets but about false DISCIPLES.

Matt. 7:15-20 is talking about false prophets. Matt. 7:21-23 is talking about false disciples.
Most translations distinctly divide these 2 paragraphs into these 2 categories.

There's that word believe again.. (spiritual water)

Isa 12:3 Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of salvation.

Isa 58:11 "And the LORD will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones; And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

Eze 47:9 "It will come about that every living creature which swarms in every place where the river goes, will live. And there will be very many fish, for these waters go there and the others become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Jhn 4:14 But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life."

Jhn 7:38-39 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Your ignorance is astounding . . .

If the waters of Baptism are "spiritual" . . .
WHY was Jesus baptized with WATER?
WHY did Jesus tell Nicodemus that we must be born again of WATER - AND Spirit?
WHY did Jesus and the Apostles baptize with WATER?
WHY did Peter baptize Cornelius with WATER?
WHY did Paul baptize the household of the Philippian Jailer with WATER?
WHY did Paul baptize the household of Stephanas with WATER?
WHY did Philip baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch with WATER?
WHY did Peter compare the "WATER" of Baptism with the "WATER" that Noah passed through??

You don't have a CLUE as to what Baptism is.

To the relgious it's conditional because they haven't fully surrendered and given their life to Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 8:1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that "We all possess knowledge." But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.

Sooooo - salvation is NOT conditional??

So, you DON'T have to call on the name of the Lord??
You DON'T have to accept Him as your Savior??
You DON'T have to be Baptized??
You DON'T have to surrender to God's will.
You DON'T have to deny yourself??
You DON'T have to follow His commands?
You DON'T have to pick up your cross daily??

these are ALL conditions that require our cooperation.

What "Bible" are YOU reading??

 

[Grams]

http://www.rightlydividing.org/secondarypages/12REASONSFORETERNALSECURITY.htm

 

[Heb 13:8]

Huh?? What are you talking about??HOW does 1 Cor 15:12-19 differ from what I said??

Focus on "you are still in your sins" and "Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost", let me know when it clicks for ya. take your time...

1 Cor 15:16-19 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

WRONG.It is NOT speaking about false prophets but about false DIS CIPLES.

Matt. 7:15-20 is talking about false prophets. Matt. 7:21-23 is talking about false disciples.
Most translations distinctly divide these 2 paragraphs into these 2 categories.

BOL, the word "disciple" is in the subtitle. Subtitles and translations were created by men. The KJV version has Matt 7:15-23 titled "A Tree and its Fruit". If you want answers you go to the Greek.

Your ignorance is astounding . . .

If the waters of Baptism are "spiritual" . . .
WHY was Jesus baptized with WATER?
WHY did Jesus tell Nicodemus that we must be born again of WATER - AND Spirit?
WHY did Jesus and the Apostles baptize with WATER?
WHY did Peter baptize Cornelius with WATER?
WHY did Paul baptize the household of the Philippian Jailer with WATER?
WHY did Paul baptize the household of Stephanas with WATER?
WHY did Philip baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch with WATER?
WHY did Peter compare the "WATER" of Baptism with the "WATER" that Noah passed through??

You don't have a CLUE as to what Baptism is.

Baptized in sink water without belief will only get you wet behind the ears. I gues only the humble and meek will know. God bles

Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Sooooo - salv ation is NOT conditional??these are ALL conditions that require our cooperation.

There you go, mixing works with grace again.

So, you DON'T have to call on the name of the Lord?? (for salvation)
You DON'T have to accept Him as your Savior?? (for salvation)
You DON'T have to be Baptized?? (for salvation/baptized in the Holy Spirit, not sink water)
You DON'T have to surrender to God's will. (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to deny yourself?? (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to follow His commands? (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to pick up your cross daily?? (for sanctification)

What "Bible" are YOU reading??

Grace salvation. God bless.

 

[pia]

@Heb 13:8 The way some people operate in their thinking about being saved one minute and then not the next is akin to a set of parents bringing their baby home from the hospital and then after a while deciding that they didn't realize the baby was going to be this much trouble, so sent it back to the hospital.......If this is the way you think God is, you are in darkness still sadly.....Far too many people who believe the way to please God is trough various traditions and dogma, has missed the wonderful offer of becoming his child of His, while still here in the flesh........He will not let anything take His children away now, He has already covered all He needed to, for a victory in the end !

 

[tabletalk]

@Heb 13:8 The way some people operate in their thinking about being saved one minute and then not the next is akin to a set of parents bringing their baby home from the hospital and then after a while deciding that they didn't realize the baby was going to be this much trouble, so sent it back to the hospital.......If this is the way you think God is, you are in darkness still sadly.....Far too many people who believe the way to please God is trough various traditions and dogma, has missed the wonderful offer of becoming his child of His, while still here in the flesh........He will not let anything take His children away now, He has already covered all He needed to, for a victory in the end !

You said: "The way some people operate in their thinking about being saved one minute and then not the next..."

I agree. It seems that the Catholic/Orthodox churches (and many commenters on these Forums) teach that one can lose, what only God can accomplish: the salvation of His people from His wrath.

Also, you said: "...If this is the way you think God is, you are in darkness still sadly...."

I think you are right.

 

[Grams]

Yep ! I remember , if you sin and do not go to confess to a priest you are going
to hell,,,, I felt that all of my 50 some years...... sure am glad we had children who
got saved by friends and brought that to all of us........ Thank You Father !!!!!!!!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Focus on "you are still in your sins" and "Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost", let me know when it clicks for ya. take your time...

1 Cor 15:16-19 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

This doesn't refer to stumbling in sin which is something ALL Christians do. It means living a sinful life.
BIG difference, sparky . . .

BOL, the word "disciple" is in the subtitle. Subtitles and translations were created by men. The KJV version has Matt 7:15-23 titled "A Tree and its Fruit". If you want answers you go to the Greek.

I'll go even further than that. Chapter and verse weren't even added to Scripture until the Catholic Church added them in the Middle ages.
Verse 15 says: “Watch out for false prophets."
Verse 21 is NOT only speaking about false prophets because Jesus begins with "Not EVERYONE who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

"The fact remains that the people being spoken of in Matt. 7:15-20 are NOT the same people referred to in Matt. 7:21-23.

Baptized in sink water without belief will only get you wet behind the ears. I gues only the humble and meek will know. God bles

Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered, "If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."

Baptism with actual H2O is necessary, according to Jesus (John 3:5).

In John 1, we see Jesus's baptism being described - and guess what was used?? WATER (H2O).
He then speaks to Nicodemus and says that unless a man is born again of WATER (H2O) and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Right after this, He and His Apostles go down to the river - which is filled with WATER (H2O) and begin baptizing people.

The first THREE chapters of John's Gospel are drenched with Baptismal WATER (H2O).

There you go, mixing works with grace again.

So, you DON'T have to call on the name of the Lord?? (for salvation)
You DON'T have to accept Him as your Savior?? (for salvation)
You DON'T have to be Baptized?? (for salvation/baptized in the Holy Spirit, not sink water)
You DON'T have to surrender to God's will. (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to deny yourself?? (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to follow His commands? (for sanctification)
You DON'T have to pick up your cross daily?? (for sanctification)

Thank you.

The fact that you chose even ONE of these questions as being necessary for salvation proves that YOU believe that our cooperation is necessary for our salvation.

Careful - that's a CATHOLIC principle . . .

Grace salvation. God bless.

And that is what the Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yep ! I remember , if you sin and do not go to confess to a priest you are going to hell,,,, I felt that all of my 50 some years...... sure am glad we had children who
got saved by friends and brought that to all of us........ Thank You Father !!!!!!!!!!

This is a false statement.
Why do you continue to post these kinds of lies when you know that you will be exposed??

 

[BreadOfLife]

You said: "The way some people operate in their thinking about being saved one minute and then not the next..."
I agree. It seems that the Catholic/Orthodox churches (and many commenters on these Forums) teach that one can lose, what only God can accomplish: the salvation of His people from His wrath.

Also, you said: "...If this is the way you think God is, you are in darkness still sadly...."
I think you are right.

The man-made invention that you cannot lose your secure place with God no matter what you do is THE most arrogant Protestant position there is.

 

[Grams]

This is a false statement.
Why do you continue to post these kinds of lies when you know that you will be exposed??

WHAT????????

I did this for 50 some years ........ your telling me I am lying ????????

You were not there ............ I went to mass 6 day's a week........
and the nuns gave us what ever else......... prayer books no bibles.

BRAIN washed we were!!!!!
We could not go to any other church or be friends with any one who was
not Catholic........ You have no idea what they thought back then
It was not good at all..
So ............... stop telling me that I am lying......... !
It ALL HAPPENED ....... !!!!!!!!!
YES, THEY MAY HAV CHANGED NOW.........BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE TRUTH.......
BACK IN MY TIME................

WHY WOULD I MAKE THIS ALL UP OR LIE ABOUT THIS ???????

 

[BreadOfLife]

WHAT????????

I did this for 50 some years ........ your telling me I am lying ????????

You were not there ............ I went to mass 6 day's a week........
and the nuns gave us what ever else......... prayer books no bibles.

BRAIN washed we were!!!!!
We could not go to any other church or be friends with any one who was
not Catholic........ You have no idea what they thought back then
It was not good at all..
So ............... stop telling me that I am lying......... !
It ALL HAPPENED ....... !!!!!!!!!
YES, THEY MAY HAV CHANGED NOW.........BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE TRUTH.......
BACK IN MY TIME................

WHY WOULD I MAKE THIS ALL UP OR LIE ABOUT THIS ???????

Because what you said is a complete and total lie and NOT what the Church teaches at ALL.
The Catholic Church has NEVER taught that you would go to hell if you didn't confess all your sins to a priest. For YOU to make this claim simply shows a continuation of your pattern of falsehoods.

The Church ONLY requires that we confess our mortal sins to a priest based on John 20:21-23.
Venial sins can be repented of and confessed to God on our own. The Confiteor, during the Liturgy of the Word, is another opportunitywhere we can confess our venial sins together.

"Back in YOUR time" means nothing. The Church hasn't changed the rules here.

A more honest way of stating what you did would be to simply admit that you mistakenly thought you were supposed to confess all your sins to a priest under penalty of Hell.

 

[Grams]

BreadOfLife...

As I said........... Again and Again.....

I went to Transfiguration Church back in the 40's.......
A Polish Church and they had mass in Latin, and did a lot of Polish talking.

One Big thing.......... NO BIBLE ONLY THE LATIN ONE ON THE ALTER..........

And after mass we went to school and the nuns explained what the priest said

please stop calling me a liar....... I'm a Christian and I do not lie......

I believe you need to go to confession ..... as soon as possible....

 

[BreadOfLife]

BreadOfLife...
As I said........... Again and Again.....

I went to Transfiguration Church back in the 40's.......
A Polish Church and they had mass in Latin, and did a lot of Polish talking.

One Big thing.......... NO BIBLE ONLY THE LATIN ONE ON THE ALTER..........

And after mass we went to school and the nuns explained what the priest said

please stop calling me a liar....... I'm a Christian and I do not lie......

I believe you need to go to confession ..... as soon as possible....

We're not talking about the Mass - we're talking about Confession.
What YOU said was either a malicious lie - or an case of extreme ignorance of the Catholic faith.

Take your pick - but it wasn't the truth . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

This doesn't refer to stumbling in sin which is something ALL Christians do. It means living a sinful life. BIG difference, sparky . . .

Rom 10:9 and 1 Cor 15:16-19 is about the resurrection of Christ and about salvation, not sanctification. Stumbling and getting back up is about sanctification.

Now try to follow me here. Those who believe and have given their life to Jesus Christ are no longer in their sins. Their sins have been paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Even those who have died in the past are still in Christ, they are no longer "lost".

You keep mixing grace with works and salvation with sanctification. Are you able to make the connection sparky?

Verse 15 says: “Watch out for false prophets."Verse 21 is NOT only speaking about false prophets because Jesus begins with "Not EVERYONE who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

"The fact remains that the people being spoken of in Matt. 7:15-20 are NOT the same people referred to in Matt. 7:21-23.

BOL, who are the sheep and who are the wolves? Do you believe this is referring to believers vs nonbelievers?

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Baptism with actual H2O is necessary, according to Jesus (John 3:5).

In John 1, we see Jesus's baptism being described - and guess what was used?? WATER (H2O).
He then speaks to Nicodemus and says that unless a man is born again of WATER (H2O) and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Right after this, He and His Apostles go down to the river - which is filled with WATER (H2O) and begin baptizing people.

The first THREE chapters of John's Gospel are drenched with Baptismal WATER (H2O).

Being baptized in H20 is like sacrificing goats for sin. H20 won't save you anymore than goat sacrifice will. It's only by believing and confessing in the blood of Christ in which you are eternally secure. Christ blood, not goat's blood. Spiritual water, not H20 BOL. God bless

 

[Heb 13:8]

@Heb 13:8 The way some people operate in their thinking about being saved one minute and then not the next is akin to a set of parents bringing their baby home from the hospital and then after a while deciding that they didn't realize the baby was going to be this much trouble, so sent it back to the hospital.......If this is the way you think God is, you are in darkness still sadly.....Far too many people who believe the way to please God is trough various traditions and dogma, has missed the wonderful offer of becoming his child of His, while still here in the flesh........He will not let anything take His children away now, He has already covered all He needed to, for a victory in the end !

yup, even to the hard-headed and spiritual blindness.