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[Ferris Bueller]

can you please answer why we must go to Mt Sinai, what can it teach us?

Why are you starting a new discussion? What is the relevance of this to this discussion?

 

[justbyfaith]

But you must do this of your own power and it’s your work not Gods

Of course it is a work of God.

"Faith cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of the Lord" (Romans 10:17)...

See Isaiah 55:10-11. God's word will not return void. He gives faith to whom He chooses. The preaching of the gospel is mixed with faith in those who hear it and are saved (Hebrews 4:1-2).

 

[Waiting on him]

How? What exactly is it that a non osaser does that glorifies himself and not God?

Salvation based on your efforts.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why are you starting a new discussion? What is the relevance of this to this discussion?

It’s to prove a point. Can you please answer

 

[Waiting on him]

That strikes me as being a mere argument against the biblical concept that the person with a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith can fall away (Luke 8:13) and thus lose his salvation and be cut off (Romans 11:20-22).

But arguments will be dealt with by the weapons of our warfare which are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds.

Lol, the stronghold in the context of the scripture you’ve quoted, is exactly what this whole argument is about.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If this is true, then we can’t lose salvation because we would never lose faith. Because our faith is not from us but from God

Faith is only knowing something is true. Faith is just the knowledge that the gospel is true. From there you have to put your trust in what faith has convinced you is true.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s to prove a point. Can you please answer

Mt. Sinai represents the old covenant of law. Everybody knows that can't save you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Lol, the stronghold in the context of the scripture you’ve quoted, is exactly what this whole argument is about.

Tell me more...

 

[Waiting on him]

Someone has bewitched you guys.

 

[justbyfaith]

Salvation based on your efforts.

Is it self-effort to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?

I'm not going anywhere with this question, I don't think. Just curious as to what people's answer might be.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Faith is only knowing something is true. Faith is just the knowledge that the gospel is true.

This is not true, this is mere belief, a knowledge is not faith,

From there you have to put your trust in what faith has convinced you is true.

This trust is faith, it’s different from mere belief.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Mt. Sinai represents the old covenant of law. Everybody knows that can't save you.

It goes deeper than this

I asked what happened, and what it should teach us.

what did God earn would happen to any person or animal who touched the mountain, and what did the people react to God on the mountain?

 

[Waiting on him]

Is it self-effort to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?

I'm not going anywhere with this question, I don't think. Just curious as to what people's answer might be.

The funny thing is you believe it’s you that stands and walks.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Salvation based on your efforts.

The effort of what?

 

[kcnalp]

I know one things

I am finished playing childish games

when your ready to stop crying and discuss the word look me up.

You're the one crying because you know OSAS is unBiblical.
Mark 13:13 (NKJV)
13 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

 

[Waiting on him]

As I said self centered, not Christ centered.

 

[kcnalp]

If you think what I said judged you you must have a guilty complex

you should investigate that

again, when your ready to stop crying give me a yell

See above. I can't lose if you're right!

 

[Waiting on him]

Paul accredited all things to Christ, but you all accredit yourselves.

 

[justbyfaith]

The funny thing is you believe it’s you that stands and walks.

No; I have always taught that if we are living the sanctified life, it is Christ who is doing the living in us and through us (Galatians 2:20).

Also, you didn't answer the question.

Is it self-effort to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This is not true, this is mere belief, a knowledge is not faith

faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1​

Evidence never saved anybody. Only putting your trust in what you can't see saves you.