Corlove13
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And I am talking about Jesus....I am talking about what Saves a man—-2 things to be exact....
#1 Christ’s Blood
#2 Faith in #1
JESUS SAVES
SO TRUST JESUS
We also have the Father and the Holy Spirit
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And I am talking about Jesus....I am talking about what Saves a man—-2 things to be exact....
#1 Christ’s Blood
#2 Faith in #1
It has to do with our believing.Oh come on now. Quit basing our salvation on us. Even though we fail, even in believing, God is still able. For by grace are ye saved!!! It has nothing to do with what we do because it's not of, or by us...
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
I know it looks that way to you, because Osas thinks there's only one way to look at it.It doesn't look that way to me. (your post) It does look like a halt between two opinions however.
Again buddy, that's depending on our own works. Not God's power to do what He says He'll do.It has to do with our believing.
Ferris, if any way will do, no way will do just as well...I know it looks that way to you, because Osas thinks there's only one way to look at it.
Which is exactly why you should keep believing in God!
Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Hebrews 4:14
Do you have a scripture that says my believing is me trying to earn my own salvation? I'm pretty sure believing in Christ is not a work of the works gospel.Again buddy, that's depending on our own works.
I know it looks that way to you, because Osas thinks there's only one way to look at it.
I'm not saying 'any way will do'. I'm saying Osas can't see there is another way to see the scriptures they are sure can only mean Osas.Ferris, if any way will do, no way will do just as well...
I think that's called 'having faith'. So it isn't about a man saving himself by works. It's about a man continuing to trust and believe in that which does the saving.OSAS...absolutey IS ALL ABOUT a man having surrendered authorizing God to Change Him AND KEEP Him Changed BY Gods POWER.
Man must retain that which has changed him and saved him. 1 John 2:24You project Sure God can change a man...
But then it is the man who mush KEEP his change intact. That is false.
No. Man can only trust God through the gift of faith that God gives. Some choose to keep that gift and keep believing. Some choose not to keep it and stop believing. This has nothing to do with some inherent ability of man to be able to believe and trust in what he can't see."IF BY YOUE OWN POWER", you don't keep believing.
As I pointed out, what they profess to hope is what Paul was referring to. And that does not necessarily mean that what they profess, they actually have.So they are being told to hold fast to a hope they don't really have?
Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess... Hebrews 10:23
...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14
Why would the writer tell them to hold firmly to and keep believing in a hope they do not have? Wouldn't he rather tell them to be born again?As I pointed out, what they profess to hope is what Paul was referring to. And that does not necessarily mean that what they profess, they actually have.
Tong
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<<< What you're not getting is the faith that justifies apart from works is the faith that expresses itself through love (Galatians 5:6).>>>Justification is completely and totally by faith in God, completely and totally separate from works. No works needed for justification. What you're not getting is the faith that justifies apart from works is the faith that expresses itself through love (Galatians 5:6). In other words, the faith that justifies all by itself obeys God's commands summed up in 'love your neighbor as yourself'. So, after being justified by faith, if your faith is not being expressed in the obedience to love others in increasing measure you don't have the justification by faith apart from works that you think you have. You have dead faith (faith that doesn't work). The faith that James says can not save you.
That's how and why salvation can never be separated from works the way the church insists it can be, and some even insist must be. The problem is the church can not understand how all this can be true and that not be a works gospel. And so they reject it out of hand. And so back to the false comfort of their dead 'Osas' faith they go.
All it means is that Jesus was telling is that true believing is one that is continuing and enduring, not that which comes from man which is not.You're reading it with your Osas bias. All it means is when you live for Jesus you are a disciple of Christ. When you don't live for Jesus you are not a disciple of his. It doesn't mean you will always live for Jesus and be his disciple.Tong2020 said: ↑
That’s right. If one does not continue, it means that what faith they said they have isn’t the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about, faith that comes from God that is abiding and that endures to the end.
Nope. Apparently it seems you fail to understand what it means that it abides, continues and endures, for you speak of it as one that may cease and not continue.At the time they fell away it means that. It doesn't mean they never had that faith.Tong2020 said: ↑
If one does not continue, it means that what faith they said they have isn’t the kind of faith that Jesus is talking about
[/QUOTE]@Tong2020 2020, post: 1017901, member: 8685"]Look nowhere else for assurance. The only assurance there is found in Jesus. If that is not more than enough and we still look to be assured by anything else, then we have a problem.
You can look to Jesus...but it is with the intent to trust.
As it is written;
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
@Tong2020
Tong
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Well, believing is a cognitive action, therefore a work. You can't just say it isn't for making your point... Think about it...Do you have a scripture that says my believing is me trying to earn my own salvation? I'm pretty sure believing in Christ is not a work of the works gospel.
I have really not much to say about that. For we take faith differently. For me it’s grace. On the other hand, you don’t. So we are not talking about the same thing.You're welcome. It also happens to be what my congregation teaches.Tong2020 said: ↑
Thank you. I think that was an honest answer, that you don’t take faith as grace but as your believing + action. And I think that explains a lot why you have such view of salvation.
Anyone can say they believe anything. It is meaningless without action. Action separates real faith from lip service death.
Of course, Jesus is the Savior. However, this is who he is, not what he does (present tense). This is why the Bible says to work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling. While Jesus went to the poor in Spirit in his lifetime, now we have to go to him. Denying our participatory action in the process is not just bad theology, it is a bad grasp of reality.
The Bible constantly requires one's participation in the process. Ask, and you will receive. Knock, and the door will be opened. Even when God delivered the Hebrews from the Egyptian chariots as they were pinned at the Red Sea, the chosen people of God had to walk across themselves.
If you want, I will even look for the verse where Moses asked God what to do. He did not say just wait for me to deliver you. He said walk now, what are you waiting for. This was expanded on in a church service earlier this year.