OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Rockerduck]

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1. I'm saying "be on topic", and that's "condescending"? BE ON TOPIC.
2. "Welcome"? It's MY thread. YOUR IRRELEVANT / OFF TOPIC THOUGHTS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE ON MY THREAD.

ok. Ignored upon request

 

[mailmandan]

It is very important that we feel secure in our salvation.

Amen! Fear and bondage to insecurity is no way to live the Christian life and prior to my conversion while still attending a church that taught a false gospel, I had absolutely no assurance of salvation and was miserable! It was not until after I received Jesus Christ through faith that I found eternal security in Jesus Christ. (1 John 5:11-13) Praise God!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he... - Proverbs 23:7

Believing in your heart that you are secure in your salvation is huge.

The gay peoples think they can be gay and be Christian as well and many are very confident they are saved.

Care to post any stipulations to Proverbs 23:7 found in God's Word for the gay peoples since this has become a thing?

The OSAS peoples such as Charles Stanley claim as long as a gay person believes in Jesus they are saved and can keep living the gay lifestyle and it's all good which is false grace of course.

Go to a church these days and try a OSAS discussion. You will likely get a strange look and a... What??? Even in Baptist churches these days such a discussion will give people the feeling that you are a troublemaker.

Yes, they will give you the left foot of fellowship right out the door which is what happened to me at the last church I had attended for several years as they started following false grace teachers such as Joseph Prince, Andrew Womac, Charles Stanley among others.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Even for those that turned away from the Lord to go back to their sin to live in darkness?

This false doctrine is WHY so many go back to their sin to live in darkness

John said this is impossible. so why would you ask a question for something that will not even happen?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don't know what it means to be led by the Spirit of Jesus Christ after having been born again.



That's NOT what God's Word teaches.

Of course those that don't accept all the Lord says in His Word wouldn't know

So God can fail!

Good to know what you believe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Guys, please try to stay on topic, which is the idea that the early Church recognized OSAS as a heresy, and fought to debunk OSAS as a regular part of their fighting against the Gnostic heresy, because OSAS was only believed on by Gnostics.

You're turning tangentials into the main topic.
Please don't do that; please stay on topic.

Actually Gnostics believed in a licentious gospel

The jews taught a legalistic look at me gospel

while the true church believed in the eternal security found only in Christ based on true repentance and faith in him

so the early church not only believed eternal life was eterrnal.. it was their very foundation to fight both false teachings

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, do you at all contest the claim that, early on, OSAS was a teaching recognized as having been unique to the Gnostics, but was foreign to the Church, which fought Gnostics and their OSAS?

lol

Gnostics never taught OSAS,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's a discussion on the history of the Church; the history is shared in the video presentation shared in the OP.

history of the church

genesis throuigh revelation.

thats where you will find the true history of the church.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scared you might see some scripture that refutes what you believe?

Yeah, those that are scared of hearing what others believe obviously have doubts about their own beliefs and are insecure.

lol.. so people wanting to just stick to the word are scared?

You should be scared for following men.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OSAS- I was baptized three times in my teenage years. As a teenager my main thought was that it was fun. I do not regret it either.

1. GARBC Baptist - In a Baptistry
2. Freewill Baptist - In a River
3. Pentecostal Holiness - In a River

There are issues of the foundations of salvation in all the churches I have attended. If I were to "threaten" someones salvation...

OSAS - Raise eyebrows.... "Are you trying to threaten my salvation?"
Non OSAS - Probably wouldn't see them again

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he... - Proverbs 23:7

Believing in your heart that you are secure in your salvation is huge.
If the foundations of salvation are set you won't hear of that individual backsliding back into the world. Thus the saying....

The Baptist don't believe in backsliding
The Methodist practice it

With the Methodist type revivals it seems like the whole country is getting saved. And then... What happened?

I was baptized a year after I was born again in a GARBC baptist church

I agree with OSAS.. OSAS threatens people. That's why the jews cruficied Christ He taught that all their good deeds. all their hard work. all their sacrifice in keeping the law would not help them spend 1 second in heaven

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The OP has a video which expounds on the reality that OSAS was only known among the Gnostics early on, and how the early Church fought OSAS as part of fighting Gnosticism--I was hoping the thread could remain focused thereupon.

then the video should be cast out as false media

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Go to a church these days and try a OSAS discussion. You will likely get a strange look and a... What??? Even in Baptist churches these days such a discussion will give people the feeling that you are a troublemaker.

amen.. OSAS was not even a term in Jesus day

people are fighting a term, not the word of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who wants to talk about Gnostics? Gnostics were kooks, that didn't believe Jesus was deity, how could they produce a thought of salvation through Jesus, it didn't happen. I'm secure in my Salvation and never ran into a Gnostic that admitted it. I preach OSAS, it is here and now. If you are looking for someone with the same thought as you, good luck. Let go and let God do His sanctifying work in you. .

I would rather talk about the gospel. for it is the power of salvation for everyone who places their faith in it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is very important that we feel secure in our salvation.

I am reminded of this biblical truth

1 John 5: 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

our faith is dependent on the knowledge we are secure in christ.

remove the security, your faith will crumble and all

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you don't like the topic, and you won't discuss it, then scram.

no pride here

 

[rockytopva]

Gnosticism and OSAS are two different worlds.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Gnosticism and OSAS are two different worlds.

OSAS (greasy grace) is false doctrine that came from the fantasy world of the gnostics who claim they have special private revelation

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OSAS (greasy grace) is false doctrine that came from the fantasy world of the gnostics who claim they have special private revelation

thats funny

and here I have been told all this time OSAS came from the calvinist group..

 

[rockytopva]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
the testimony of Jesus (God's Word) is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10)

What God says in His Word is available to all within the Body of Christ, so if any revelation you get is of the Lord then it's available and known to the rest of God's people.