OSAS Question
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If you think someone can be saved after they die you're deceived by Satan! Don't be surprised if many who believe and hope in purgatory find themselves in everlasting Hell fire.
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mary is not savior but mother of our savior
She was sinless as the apostles doctrine teach for 2000 yrs
Acts 2:42
never said anything about being saved
But remission of the punishment do to sins repented of and forgiven
I’ll stick with Paul’s warning to not be deceived, thanks.
OSAS?
Jesus warns believers in the church of Sardis that they are a DEAD church (though they think they’re alive) and warns them that they must REPENT, because most of them had DEFILED their robes (white robes are the saints righteousness, says scripture) then warns them that those who fail to be OVERCOMERS will have their names BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.
How are those in that church dead?
Not physically, obviously.
How then are they dead?
In their sins:
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened,who were dead in trespasses and sins;
There’s no OSAS there for the dead church of Sardis.
The church at Laodicea was even worse off - they hadn’t just defined their white robes, which are the righteousness of saints - they lost their righteousness completely, thus had lost their robes, and were COMPLETELY NAKED, but didn’t even know it, because they thought they were still clothed and in need of nothing - and they are also warned to repent.
There’s no OSAS there, either.
In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says they had heard him preach the gospel, had received it, and stand in it, and they are saved:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved,
EXCEPT:
Paul’s next words make their salvation conditional, by warning them that though they’d heard the gospel, received it, stand in it, and ARE SAVED, that they can end up believing IN VAIN, ifthey don’t keep in mind all that he taught them:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IFye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED IN VAIN.
What was it that Paul taught them that they had to keep in memory that he had preached to them, that can affect their salvation, and cause their receiving the gospel, standing in it, and being saved, to be IN VAIN?
He taught them that he has to control and subjugate his flesh daily, lest after preaching to others, he himself would end up a CASTAWAY - adokimos in the Greek. - a reprobate (rejected by God as one that failed the test).
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Albert Barnes exegetes the text:
“The simple idea of Paul is, that he was afraid that he should be disapproved, rejected, cast off; that it would appear, after all, that he had no religion, and would then be cast away as unfit to enter into heaven”.
By subjugation of his body, Paul refers to the flesh, the fleshly desire to sin, i e, commit works of the flesh, as seen in another of Paul’s warnings to the saints, to the brethren against being DECEIVED:
Gal 5:16 This - I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told YOU in time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
He also warned the brethren to examine themselves to see if they were still in the faith, or had become reprobate:
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Paul in fact gave warning after warning to the brethren, to be not deceived, about the consequences of living a lifestyle of sinning, such as being an adulterer, or drunkard, or thief, etc.
He warned the brethren that some of them were THIEVES because they’d defrauded their brethren, then warned the church against being deceived into thinking they could steal, or commit other serious sins, and still enter into the kingdom of heaven
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD, and that your - BRETHREN.
1Co 6:9 Know yenot that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD the BRETHREN) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Notice in verse 11 he states that some of the brethren used to live that way, but stopped after salvation - but we’ve already seen that some of them were ALSO living in sin by defrauding their brethren and stealing from them:
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
There’s no OSAS in Paul’s many warnings to the brethren and saints about living sinfully as believers.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh SAINTS.
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the childrenof disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not YE therefore partakers WITH them.
1Ti 3:2 A church leader must be without fault; he must have only one wife, be sober, self-controlled, and orderly; he must welcome strangers in his home; he must be able to teach;
1Ti 3:3 he must not be a drunkard or a violent man, but gentle and peaceful; he must not love money;
1Ti 3:4 he must be able to manage his own family well and make his children obey him with all respect.
1Ti 3:5 For if a man does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of the church of God?
1Ti 3:6 He must be mature in the faith, so that he will not swell up with pride and be condemned, as the Devil was.
An elder can wind up condemned in hell, alongside the devil as his roommate.
There’s no OSAS there, EITHER.
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OSAS? No way!
Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Curtis - Kcnalp
HEARING the Word of God - IS the BEGINNING of FAITH ...
A BEGINNING, is A START, NOT the ENDING, NOT THE FINISH!
Already explained to you...
The Lord is "WITH" a person, who IS Beginning in Faith.
^ THAT IS NOT A SAVED & QUICKENED person!
^ THAT is WHOM YOU FALSELY Project OSAS applies to.
* A man WHO has "surpassed" the "BEGINNING"..."IS" a man who HAS BECOME "FINISHED" In FAITH.
Which IS EXPRESSLY ACCOMPLISHED BY:
~ A person WHO HEARTFULLY Confesses his Belief "IN the Lord God".
~ The LORD GOD, IS the FINISHER of a THAT persons FAITH..
Heb 12:
[2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith...
The FINISHER...IS he WHO CONVERTS, (FORGIVES, SAVES, QUICKENS, DWELLS WITH and IN the person WHO HAS Confess-ED HEARTFELT BELIEF.
^ THAT is ONLY to whom...
Once Saved Always Save applies to.
It does not matter IF YOU, were the age of 5 or 25 or 55.....ONLY Hearing the Word of God WAS A BEGINNING.
"IF YOU confessed Belief with your MIND...so what? YOU are thus STILL in the BEGINNING of FAITH."
"IF YOU have NEVER Confessed Belief with your HEART...YOU ARE NOT FINISHED...
Converted, Saved, Born Again, INDWELT with the Spirit of God."
YOU thus are STILL "TASTING"....and "HAVE NOT EATEN" !!
Guess you NEVER NOTICED people attending church to HEAR, and again attending church to HEAR, and again attending church to HEAR, and again, and again, and again....
.....maybe weeks, maybe months, maybe years.....BEFORE they are READY TO "HEARFULLY" CONFESS their Belief....and BECOME MADE FINISHED...Forgiven, Saved, Quickened, Converted.
"THEY were doing EXACTLY as Scripture INSTRUCTS....Hear, Hear, Hear...."THEN" BE DILIGENT....SURE....BEFORE you MAKE a CONFESSION....and MAKE SURE YOUR CONFESSION IS "FROM YOUR HEART"!!!!
NOT YOUR MIND!
ONE TRUE Heartfull CONFESSION IS precisely WHAT IS REQUIRED, for ANY person to become "Converted ONCE and FOREVER".
(Less you think the Lord a LIAR)...
Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Rom 10:
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Heb 13:
[5] ...he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
HEARING the Word of God - IS the BEGINNING of FAITH ...
A BEGINNING, is A START, NOT the ENDING, NOT THE FINISH!
Already explained to you...
The Lord is "WITH" a person, who IS Beginning in Faith.
^ THAT IS NOT A SAVED & QUICKENED person!
^ THAT is WHOM YOU FALSELY Project OSAS applies to.
* A man WHO has "surpassed" the "BEGINNING"..."IS" a man who HAS BECOME "FINISHED" In FAITH.
Which IS EXPRESSLY ACCOMPLISHED BY:
~ A person WHO HEARTFULLY Confesses his Belief "IN the Lord God".
~ The LORD GOD, IS the FINISHER of a THAT persons FAITH..
Heb 12:
[2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith...
The FINISHER...IS he WHO CONVERTS, (FORGIVES, SAVES, QUICKENS, DWELLS WITH and IN the person WHO HAS Confess-ED HEARTFELT BELIEF.
^ THAT is ONLY to whom...
Once Saved Always Save applies to.
It does not matter IF YOU, were the age of 5 or 25 or 55.....ONLY Hearing the Word of God WAS A BEGINNING.
"IF YOU confessed Belief with your MIND...so what? YOU are thus STILL in the BEGINNING of FAITH."
"IF YOU have NEVER Confessed Belief with your HEART...YOU ARE NOT FINISHED...
Converted, Saved, Born Again, INDWELT with the Spirit of God."
YOU thus are STILL "TASTING"....and "HAVE NOT EATEN" !!
Guess you NEVER NOTICED people attending church to HEAR, and again attending church to HEAR, and again attending church to HEAR, and again, and again, and again....
.....maybe weeks, maybe months, maybe years.....BEFORE they are READY TO "HEARFULLY" CONFESS their Belief....and BECOME MADE FINISHED...Forgiven, Saved, Quickened, Converted.
"THEY were doing EXACTLY as Scripture INSTRUCTS....Hear, Hear, Hear...."THEN" BE DILIGENT....SURE....BEFORE you MAKE a CONFESSION....and MAKE SURE YOUR CONFESSION IS "FROM YOUR HEART"!!!!
NOT YOUR MIND!
ONE TRUE Heartfull CONFESSION IS precisely WHAT IS REQUIRED, for ANY person to become "Converted ONCE and FOREVER".
(Less you think the Lord a LIAR)...
Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Rom 10:
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Heb 13:
[5] ...he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
you’re just ignorant
1 cor 3
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
you’re user name is iconoclast
That’s a doctrine against sacred images
And a heresy condemned by the authority of Christ thru his apostles in the holy 2nd council of nicea
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