OSAS Question

[theefaith]

Applies to: unsaved,
Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted



Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted



Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
Applies to: those WITH God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted

Learn the Difference between WITH & IN!!!

Jn 15:1?
Heb chapter twelve

 

[theefaith]

Preaching to choir!
Already addressed!

[QUOTE} Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Preaching to choir!
Already addressed!

[/QUOTE]

Is it possible to fall from grace?

 

[Taken]

Jn 15:1?
Heb chapter twelve

IGNORE

 

[Taken]

Preaching to choir!
Already addressed!

Is it possible to fall from grace?[/QUOTE]

I do not find...Fall from grace in Scripture.

A person NOT CONVERTED, can fall from Faith.

 

[theefaith]

IGNORE

really?

ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ

 

[theefaith]

Is it possible to fall from grace?

I do not find...Fall from grace in Scripture.

A person NOT CONVERTED, can fall from Faith.[/QUOTE]


Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Speaking to Christians

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9
   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall notinherit the kingdom of God? Be notdeceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Galatians 5:21
   Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shallnot inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Taken]

really?

ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ

Ignore

 

[Taken]

I do not find...Fall from grace in Scripture.

A person NOT CONVERTED, can fall from Faith.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Speaking to Christians

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9
   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall notinherit the kingdom of God? Be notdeceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Galatians 5:21
   Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shallnot inherit the kingdom of God.

[/QUOTE]

Ok. And?

 

[amigo de christo]

Ignore

Does everyone see that one word taken just said . Do it whenever pope francis speaks . Ignore and dont follow that man .
Nor any other who desires the all inclusive many path unity lie .

 

[Gregory]

A men IN Christ, (speaking Heartfully truly Converted), IS a new creature. Remember God created and made man-kind, very good, not perfect. Perfection is a promise to come to pass, given a Converted men.
During a Conversion which is (the Works of the Lord God), our Heart is changed, planted with Gods Seed, which births our new spirit (which our natural spirit is our natural True thoughts in our old heart) and the Holy Spirit of Truth within us, which teaches us Gods Truth.
What God "does not change" in a conversion IS our "carnal minds".
Carnal Minds, are easily influenced, easily tricked with false promises, with easy street ploys and tactics. The mind ciphers and weighs ideas between this and that weighs the risks, if one can gain by underhanded means and get away with it or not. Maybe the ploy was successful in the past, maybe it failed, but the consequence was tolerable...
* The difference, is, IN a converted man, there is no..."this and that", perse'. The converted man, made a sure enough decision to freely choose "THIS"...being the Lords WAY...Option to fully TRUST only that ONE WAY, and TRUST the outcome will Always be for the Best outcome.
* So, consider, a man, newly Converted...his own responsibility remains...in WHAT is he going to Consider...(the this and that perse')...Listen to his hearts thoughts, or Listen to his (same old carnal mind)...
* See the change in the matter of what a man NOW has to consider?
* God gives him the Power of God within him to have the strength for his Hearts thoughts to supersede his minds thoughts....ALL the while, the World is 24-7 preaching...educate the MIND...(according to "corrupt" teaching programs)...
* While a converted man, is directed to educate the MIND...(according to Gods Word)...
* It's a choice, and a process for any man. And I would dare say, impressing to men considering conversion or a converted man how and why, they do have authority and power over their mind, is rarely a highlighted teaching....moreso, miminalized...Jesus Saves and then you can ask the Lord for Anything...
A new TV, big house, toys, fat bank account, vacations, blah, blah, blah.
* God Desires a man to Freely Give the WHOLE of the man (body, soul, spirit) TO the Lord Gods Supreme Governing Power and Authority.
* God Made His "one time Offering", of HOW a man could (according to Gods WAY), accomplish receiving His Offering, NOW, ONCE and Forever and the PROMISE OF how and when His further Promises would come to pass.

Act 4:
[12] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

2 Peter 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure : for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

What calling, what election ?
Why must one BE SURE, before they call, before they elect?

Acts 2:
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

SURE? WHY? Because once committed and converted....there are no OOPS, changed my mind (remember confession of the mind was not considered, only Heartful confessions). Because there is no DIVORCING, Leaving, Considering other gods, going to court with a slick attorney to get out of a contract you agreed to.
* And not to fret, God is not fooled, He searches the Heart and is All knowing.

Also to consider, an unconverted corrupt man, is proud of his success in his sneaky secretive underhandedness...
A converted man, has the Spirit of Gods Truth in his new heart, continually speaking...for lack of better words...tugging on his heart strings....which is in effect, not stopping the man canal minds thoughts, but is already affecting the mans "feelings"...
What is happening, is Inner Conflict being brought to the mans attention...and the reminder he has a great power within him to overcome the inner conflict.

The Lord God has OFFERED to ALL men...
A once and forever gift of Salvation...
All men, even the most evil and wicked men who have committed the most evil and wicked atrocious things against other men....

* And yet, men stand on the sidelines and say....you're saved? Well "I" don't think you do enough works to remain saved. And "I" think "your works" are not "acceptable"...

God has already addressed a mans behavior and works... Which is a matter of, God has provided a converted man with the Truth and Power necessary to MAKE his minds thoughts acquiesce to his (new spirit) and his (new) Hearts thoughts..
* AND a man who DOES WORKS that glorify Gods, SHALL BE Rewarded...
* AND a man whose WORKS DO NOT GLORIFY God, SHALL BE BURNED.
* There is ZERO teaching that a man "WHO HAS BEEN CONVERTED", becomes "UNCONVERTED".

I stand by, ONCE a man IS Saved, it is Forever.
And even with converted men, they are not Perfect, and believe there will be ALOT of WORKS burned and forgotten.

God Bless,
Taken

Again, Jesus says that your converted man "IN" Christ will be taken away by his Father, unless that man produces good fruit. I believe that there are many (so called) converted men, that will find out that they are not.

Many are converted and doing a wonderful job for Jesus.

 

[Gregory]

there is only one church Jn 10:16

At the time John wrote his epistle this was correct. Not now. So I will ask again: which "one" of the hundreds of Christian churches hold the "keys of the kingdom of heaven"?

 

[Gregory]

It sure as heck aint the RCC . That is a dungeon of demons . Wait not for an apology on that statement .
I will die and die the worst death possible long before i enter into her chambers . LONG before .
The mormons and buddists have as good a chance as converting me as does the RCC . And yeah they false too . SO nope i wont heed that lie .

No apology necessary. I am not RCC, and believe as you do about it.

 

[theefaith]

At the time John wrote his epistle this was correct. Not now. So I will ask again: which "one" of the hundreds of Christian churches hold the "keys of the kingdom of heaven"?

there is and always has been only one true church of Jesus Christ

one holy catholic and apostolic

the church is a divine institution

Matt 16:18-19 the gates of shall not prevail

 

[theefaith]

"Hold firmly that our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

the ancient faith of the apostles!

"Neither the true faith nor eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy Catholic Church."
--Pope Pius IX

Christ: either for me or against me!

 

[Gregory]

Oh the lie is that the RCC holds the keys . Not saying you are a liar my friend .
So what church holds the keys . The true lambs , Cause JESUS holds the KEYS and the true lambs
have access to Him and we must learn well His doctrines , teachings , every word . May the words of the true Lord
be planted in our minds and on our hearts . So let us be feasting daily upon the bible and get well built up in the LORD .

I like what you say, but Jesus is not the only one that holds the "keys to the kingdom of heaven". Whoever the "lambs" let me know so I can go to them and actually be saved, like when men and women came to Peter and the apostles and actually got saved, Jesus being in heaven.
Jesus trusted Peter and the apostles with his "keys" and recognized his saving doctrines and actions.

These "lambs" you talk of seems very vague? Can you tell me more? Can you tell me how they got the "keys" like the bible tells us how Peter and the apostles got the "keys"? Or do you not know much about these "Keys". But I will tell you the RCC does not hold these "keys" today.

Who does?

 

[Gregory]

Basic, Yes.

You need to answer this question, do not try to slide past it.

If God chooses who will enter heaven, does God also choose who will enter hell?

 

[Gregory]

there is and always has been only one true church of Jesus Christ

one holy catholic and apostolic

the church is a divine institution

Matt 16:18-19 the gates of shall not prevail

If you think the mess of Christian churches today constitute the true church of Jesus Christ, you haven't studied much about the different doctrines and ordinances and bibles and holy men etc. I estimate there are at least 200 ways that a man can be saved depending on which Christian church he walks into. IOW there is not one Jesus, there is not one baptism, there is not one bible there is not one true church today.

So what do we do?

 

[amigo de christo]

If you think the mess of Christian churches today constitute the true church of Jesus Christ, you haven't studied much about the different doctrines and ordinances and bibles and holy men etc. I estimate there are at least 200 ways that a man can be saved depending on which Christian church he walks into. IOW there is not one Jesus, there is not one baptism, there is not one bible there is not one true church today.

So what do we do?

There is ONE JESUS . ITS THE BIBLICAL ONE . Any other version is false .

 

[Gregory]

There is ONE JESUS . ITS THE BIBLICAL ONE . Any other version is false .

Yes there is one biblical Jesus.

 

[theefaith]

If you think the mess of Christian churches today constitute the true church of Jesus Christ, you haven't studied much about the different doctrines and ordinances and bibles and holy men etc. I estimate there are at least 200 ways that a man can be saved depending on which Christian church he walks into. IOW there is not one Jesus, there is not one baptism, there is not one bible there is not one true church today.

So what do we do?

only one savior Lk 2:10-11
Only one salvation Jn 1:16-17
only one church jn 10:16
Only one new covenant 1 cor 11:23-27
The church is a divine institution and is eternal the spotless bride of Christ rev 21:2
Holy mother church gal 4:26
Teaching all truth without error Jn 16:13 matt 28:19

all the rest are man made sects teaching all errors