OSAS Question

[amigo de christo]

What lie did I tell?

Which church today holds the "keys to the kingdom of heaven"?

Oh the lie is that the RCC holds the keys . Not saying you are a liar my friend .
So what church holds the keys . The true lambs , Cause JESUS holds the KEYS and the true lambs
have access to Him and we must learn well His doctrines , teachings , every word . May the words of the true Lord
be planted in our minds and on our hearts . So let us be feasting daily upon the bible and get well built up in the LORD .

 

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But you’re not saved in this life matt 24:13

"IF" what?
"IF" WHO, shall or shall NOT "ENDURE" to the end?

Matt 24:
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

baptism is the new birth new creation
But baptism does not destroy free will

WHAT baptism IS the NEW Birth, NEW Creation?

Ofcourse Baptism does NOT destroy free will.

you can still reject Christ and have apostasy

"Who??? IS "YOU", in your statement that can "STILL" reject Christ ?

 

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So God chooses you to come to Christ.

Christ gives you faith and grace, so your sins are forgiven from before and into eternity automatically by Christ.

Christ saves you into heaven.

Is this the basic doctrine of the OSAS?

Basic, Yes.

 

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and what about suffering?

Suffering Happens Daily;
to those Who Stand WITH the Heavenly God;
to those Who Stand WITH Christ;
and
to those Who Stand IN Christ.

 

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I'm curious, what is the "trap" you mentioned?

The "TRAP" is per the "ENDURANCE" to the end mentioned in Matt 24:13...
IMPLIED, by "theefaith", that APPLIES to "ALL persons", when it does NOT.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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It sure as heck aint the RCC . That is a dungeon of demons . Wait not for an apology on that statement .
I will die and die the worst death possible long before i enter into her chambers . LONG before .
The mormons and buddists have as good a chance as converting me as does the RCC . And yeah they false too . SO nope i wont heed that lie .

The Catholic church...Has man-devised "TRADITIONS", loosely with Scriptural references, with tweeks.
* Christening Baby's. A scheduled ceremony, that becomes a Confusion. Without the childs knowledge...Is the child, Baptized, or Christened, and does a Catholic Parent know the suttle difference?
* Then the next Catholic scheduled ceremony, beginning about age 7, Being a supposed, Acceptable age and timeframe, for Confirmation for the child.
* Confirmation scheduled ceremony...IS supposedly, BY age 7 a child "IS" fully prepared in Knowledge and Understanding "they" are Making an ASSURED "Heartful" INFORMED decision to Call on the Lord and Give "their" life, (body, soul, spirit) unto the Lord God Almighty.
* (Surely every 7 year old, IS not all excited with the focus of new fancy clothes, the special ceremony, attention, and backpats that follow the ceremony of that day.)
* Then what follows, IS the child's "Requirement of "WORKS", "for THEM to KEEP", their "commitment", validated... Enduring to their end.
* Followed by: "school years"... Of "control by the school master", keeping pupils in agreement with EVERY teaching, "WITH" the constant "FEAR" aspect and "PUNISHMENT", IF they challenge or reject.

In one respect, the INTENT of the church IS attempting to INSTILL there IS A WAY TO SALVATION, yet in another respect, THEY USE "FEAR ... SCARE" tactics, on the minds of the young....WHEN "FEAR OF THE LORD"... IS NOT ABOUT Being AFRAID of the Lord, OR Being AFRAID He will LEAVE you, BUT RATHER, FEAR of the Lord, IS REVERENCE UNTO THE Lord.

If one OBSERVES, the scheduled ceremonies; A baby, who knows nothing about the ceremony.
A 7 yr old, steeped in the knowledge of Gods Word ... that "THEY" are making an ASSURED decision...?
....THE ceremonies, are planned events by men.
....Whereas, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, IS ALL about an INDIVIDUAL being HEARTFULLY drawn to the Lord, to call on the Lord, and give their Heartful Confession UNTO the Lord.
And the Lord Himself KEEPING that person, BY HIS POWER "within" that Person.
..... NOT ya "you are saved"...BUT...IF you do NOT DO WORKS to Glorify God, FOR the remainer of your Earthly Life (i.e. endurance)....your Salvation WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU!
FALSE Preaching...^^^

 

[n2thelight]

I TIMOTHY 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

How can you depart from the faith if you were never saved, only people who were once saved can depart from the faith

So what happens to those that do , are they still saved ?

HEBREWS 3:12

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

 

[Curtis]

Here’s a relevant verse because it’s exactly on the topic of a believer that stops believing - I will post it then exegete it:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

In the above verse, they were born again once, then completely lost their faith and fell away.

Hebrews 6:4-8 is unequivocally talking about those who were once born again, because they were made partakers of the Holy Spirit - which only happens at salvation - yet they fell completely away from the faith into total apostasy (fell away - parapipto- apostatized), and since they lost their faith completely, they can’t be renewed again into repentance, (any more than you could get an atheist to repent), and their unbelief in effect is crucifying Jesus again, since unbelief is why they crucified Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Catholic church...Has man-devised "TRADITIONS", loosely with Scriptural references, with tweeks.
* Christening Baby's. A scheduled ceremony, that becomes a Confusion. Without the childs knowledge...Is the child, Baptized, or Christened, and does a Catholic Parent know the suttle difference?
* Then the next Catholic scheduled ceremony, beginning about age 7, Being a supposed, Acceptable age and timeframe, for Confirmation for the child.
* Confirmation scheduled ceremony...IS supposedly, BY age 7 a child "IS" fully prepared in Knowledge and Understanding "they" are Making an ASSURED "Heartful" INFORMED decision to Call on the Lord and Give "their" life, (body, soul, spirit) unto the Lord God Almighty.
* (Surely every 7 year old, IS not all excited with the focus of new fancy clothes, the special ceremony, attention, and backpats that follow the ceremony of that day.)
* Then what follows, IS the child's "Requirement of "WORKS", "for THEM to KEEP", their "commitment", validated... Enduring to their end.
* Followed by: "school years"... Of "control by the school master", keeping pupils in agreement with EVERY teaching, "WITH" the constant "FEAR" aspect and "PUNISHMENT", IF they challenge or reject.

In one respect, the INTENT of the church IS attempting to INSTILL there IS A WAY TO SALVATION, yet in another respect, THEY USE "FEAR ... SCARE" tactics, on the minds of the young....WHEN "FEAR OF THE LORD"... IS NOT ABOUT Being AFRAID of the Lord, OR Being AFRAID He will LEAVE you, BUT RATHER, FEAR of the Lord, IS REVERENCE UNTO THE Lord.

If one OBSERVES, the scheduled ceremonies; A baby, who knows nothing about the ceremony.
A 7 yr old, steeped in the knowledge of Gods Word ... that "THEY" are making an ASSURED decision...?
....THE ceremonies, are planned events by men.
....Whereas, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, IS ALL about an INDIVIDUAL being HEARTFULLY drawn to the Lord, to call on the Lord, and give their Heartful Confession UNTO the Lord.
And the Lord Himself KEEPING that person, BY HIS POWER "within" that Person.
..... NOT ya "you are saved"...BUT...IF you do NOT DO WORKS to Glorify God, FOR the remainer of your Earthly Life (i.e. endurance)....your Salvation WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU!
FALSE Preaching...^^^

The RCC and many of her protestant daughters are quite the same .
Quite the same that indeed they preach often many things which contradict Christ and scriptures
and YET at the same time they fall back on trying to claim they believe the very scriptures which they often disregaurd
in heart and in mind .
They often teach contradictions and then when confronted on said contradictions they claim they hold to the scriptures .
Yet the next moment they are again teaching the very things which contradict the very scriptures they claim to hold .
This my friend is known as hyprocrisy . And its not just all over the RCC , its all over the protestant realm .
But , things can be cleared up real quick , WHEN or IF we would but read the bible for ourselves .

 

[theefaith]

"IF" what?
"IF" WHO, shall or shall NOT "ENDURE" to the end?

Matt 24:
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



WHAT baptism IS the NEW Birth, NEW Creation?

Ofcourse Baptism does NOT destroy free will.



"Who??? IS "YOU", in your statement that can "STILL" reject Christ ?

Any Christian

 

[theefaith]

Jn 15:1-5

 

[theefaith]

Suffering Happens Daily;
to those Who Stand WITH the Heavenly God;
to those Who Stand WITH Christ;
and
to those Who Stand IN Christ.

but are Christians called to suffer for Christ?

 

[Taken]

The RCC and many of her protestant daughters are quite the same .
Quite the same that indeed they preach often many things which contradict Christ and scriptures
and YET at the same time they fall back on trying to claim they believe the very scriptures which they often disregaurd
in heart and in mind .
They often teach contradictions and then when confronted on said contradictions they claim they hold to the scriptures .
Yet the next moment they are again teaching the very things which contradict the very scriptures they claim to hold .
This my friend is known as hyprocrisy . And its not just all over the RCC , its all over the protestant realm .
But , things can be cleared up real quick , WHEN or IF we would but read the bible for ourselves .

Sure...agree.
* There ARE: the Catholics, who mix and weirdly conjoin; (NT to OT and Men)....ie. claiming not under the Law, but precisely USE the Law Against men, and Make their own "holy father", with authority to influence the weirdly conjoined oxymoron OT & NT of Under/Not Under the Mosaic Law.

Some Protestant sects, who mimic the Catholics, but call themselves Protestants...
Yet another weird scenario.

And YES, Stop following men around without verification. Open the Bible Read for yourselves.

 

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but are Christians called to suffer for Christ?

Call to Suffer For Christ? No.
Called to Suffer With Christ? Yes.
Called to Suffer for the SAME Reason as Christ? Yes.

 

[theefaith]

Sure...agree.
* There ARE: the Catholics, who mix and weirdly conjoin; (NT to OT and Men)....ie. claiming not under the Law, but precisely USE the Law Against men, and Make their own "holy father", with authority to influence the weirdly conjoined oxymoron OT & NT of Under/Not Under the Mosaic Law.

Some Protestant sects, who mimic the Catholics, but call themselves Protestants...
Yet another weird scenario.

And YES, Stop following men around without verification. Open the Bible Read for yourselves.

where does scripture say for you to read for yourself and make you’re own doctrine???

what about the men who said many books and chapters are not scripture under king James and the KJV

tradition of men??????

 

[theefaith]

Call to Suffer For Christ? No.
Called to Suffer With Christ? Yes.
Called to Suffer for the SAME Reason as Christ? Yes.

Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

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Any Christian

VAGUE.

 

[theefaith]

VAGUE.

we all have free to reject Christ
Jn 15:1 abide in me

you must choose to do so

Jn 3:16 believes
You must continue to choose to believe

matt 24:13 endures until the end

 

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we all have free to reject Christ

Applies to: unsaved,
Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted

Jn 3:16 believes
You must continue to choose to believe

Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted

matt 24:13 endures until the end

Applies to: those WITH the Lord God
Applies to: those WITH God
DOES NOT APPLY TO: the Converted

Learn the Difference between WITH & IN!!!

 

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In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

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[QUOTE} Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. [/QUOTE]

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