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No I just gave you the answer you did not want to hear. I dont need mens religions mens churches mens ways, mens ideologies, mens doctrines. mens opinions of God, we are given the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth, if you deny Him than you deny the one who sent Him as the one who sent Him, " Jesus" is the truth or as Jesus put it,
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
In all His Love
The issue is not men's religions, men's churches, men's ways, men's ideologies, men's doctrines or mens opinion's of God. That is just a diversion.
The issue is how do we know which writings are inspired and rightly part of the canon of scripture.
I presume you have Bible with 27 books in the NT section.
How do you know whether they are inspired by God?
How do you know there are not other writings that are inspired by God that have not been included?
Are you relying on what has been handed down to you?
Or have you read all the possibilities and come to your own personal conclusion?
The issue is how do we know which writings are inspired and rightly part of the canon of scripture.
I presume you have Bible with 27 books in the NT section.
How do you know whether they are inspired by God?
How do you know there are not other writings that are inspired by God that have not been included?
Are you relying on what has been handed down to you?
Or have you read all the possibilities and come to your own personal conclusion?
Tis the same question you asked Mjrhealth, I was interested in your opinion.Mungo said:
I assumed you knew but maybe you don't and that is why you asked Mjrhealth, if so then just disregard my question.
I gave my answer several posts agojiggyfly said:
I'm suggesting that the Church, which produced the various (NT) writings, is the one with the authority to discern which are inspired, and therefore worthy to be declared scripture, and which are not.
It's not up to each individual to decide for himself/herself.
I thought a handful of men produced the various NT writings. And wasn't it men who by the spirit discerned which writings were inspired and which ones weren't?Mungo said:
Exactly, but not just any men. It had to be those to whom Christ gave his authority and the responsibility for leading the Church and making such decisions, in a similar way that it wasn't just any men who decided the issue of circumcision at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15)ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
One assumes that Christ gave a church the authority, there is no evidence of it. God gave us Jesus, Jesus gave us "all" the Holy Spirirt. all who come to Him have teh Holy Spirirt, He is teh one that teaches men. Do I know whcih of the bible is scripture, only that what God has revealed, that is what the Holy Spirit is for, but so few are led by the Spirirt. they prefer the instruction of men. How do I know His voice, well it says in the "bible",
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
In all His Love
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
In all His Love
There is plenty of such evidencemjrhealth said:
Just before he ascends to heaven Jesus says to the eleven apostles:
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”(Mt 28:18-20)
He also gave authority to the apostles when he said:
Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.(Mt 18:18)
And
When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” (Jn 20:22-23)
Thos verses say nothing about authority.mjrhealth said:
Jesus was speaking to the apostles. It was to the apostles, the leaders of the Church, that he promised that the Holy Spirit would lead into all truth.mjrhealth said:
Might be the same church, but it was never started by the apostles, even in that there is no evidence. Now the evidence as to why the catholich church is not from God, well its there for all to see. I knew this would go that way always does.
In all His Love
I agree, it wasn't started by the apostles. It was started by Christ, founded on the apostles (Eph 2:20).mjrhealth said:
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" (Mt 16:18)
Revelation, but what you believe is your problem, since so few christians have any revelation. For everything that God does the enemy has his worldly counterfit and men love it that way.
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In all his Love
Not what I'm advocating at all. Even today only those who will truly understand God's Holy Writ are those who stay in Him through His Son Jesus Christ and He opens their understanding to know the difference. Men's traditions, which is mostly what your sect follows, relies on others setting themselves up as mediators in place of Christ Jesus. And as long as members of your sect agrees to that, they will never... truly know what God's Word says, and will walk with men instead of with Christ.Mungo said:
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