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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, you are "leaning to your own understanding", and it smacks of being Jewish understanding.
    Jesus Himself is God's Good News (Gospel)
    The JUDGMENT through Him is already in place and has been!! SInce the Day of Pentecost, all who have DIED IN faith of Jesus ARE SAVED, and all who have died IN UNBELIEF have PERISHED, never to be seen or heard of again!!
     
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    No, because even after the second coming of Yeshuah there is a final resurrection of the dead 1,000 years later, to judge them, in accordance to what is written in the book of Revelation. You have zero understanding of the truth, and what makes things worse is that you are stubborn. Even an atheist has more hope than you, because at least he hasn't been indoctrinated into false teachings in the context of the belief.
     
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    I repeat:
    Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom. 8:9
    Right there, the judgment in John 3:18 is made visible!
     
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    I call you people "idiots" not out of hatred, but out of rebuke, for your own good, which is why Paul called the Galatians "fools". I am terribly grieved and also enraged that you people refuse to understand, daily. I have spent years arguing with perhaps thousands of you, through these internet forums, of why what I am telling you is the truth, and not one of you has ever come to the truth. Even just basic truths, that the Torah is still binding. I have also devoted myself to publishing elaborate bible studies, with great research, explaining things in great detail, and with many scriptures, and with much photos and timelines, to spoon feed you people the truth. But even then, you people still reject the truth. You hate me, you insult me, you ridicule me, and you find ways to cast me away. And that is why I am enraged against you people, every single one of you. I am at my wit's end with you people, and now I am beginning to desire wrath upon you people, and the appointed time of wrath is indeed approaching.
     
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    Your understanding, of ALL scripture is processed through the filter of the Pre-Millennial view.
    You can't help but see that everything prophetic, is always literal and chronological.

    What if I were to tell you that "a thousand years" is symbolic of God's Grace through His Son, NOW?
    You would call me an "idiot" .
     
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    The great thing about knowing the truth is that I don't need you to believe the truth that I believe. I will just let the truth eventually smack you in your own face, when the judgment I and the scriptures are telling you about does indeed happen, and you realize that everything you believed was a lie. At that time, I will laugh at you, for being an idiot and denying the truth of these verses,

    I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.
    Joel 3:

    He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
    Isaiah 2:4

    Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him… to the wicked person, God says: “What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you. When you see a thief, you join with him; you throw in your lot with adulterers. You use your mouth for evil and harness your tongue to deceit. You sit and testify against your brother and slander your own mother’s son. When you did these things and I kept silent, you thought I was exactly like you. But I now arraign you and set my accusations before you.
    Psalm 50:3-21

    But Yehovah reigns aeonially. He has prepared his throne for judgment. He will judge the world in righteousness. He will administer judgment to the peoples in uprightness. Yehovah will also be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. Those who know your name will put their trust in you, for you, Yehovah, have not forsaken those who seek you. Sing praises to Yehovah, who dwells in Zion, and declare among the people what he has done.
    Psalm 9:7-11

    As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire. A river of fire issued and came out from before him. Thousands upon thousands served him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.
    Daniel 7:9-10

    And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done… And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Revelation 20:12-15
     
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    I already call you an idiot. And I am also going to block you, because I don't have time to argue with idiots. Bye.
     
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    I've never met you. I only saw your post a few days ago (unless you went by some other moniker elsewhere), and you call us all idiots. Then you admit that you do so because you are 'enraged against you people.'

    So basically, you are angry at me without a cause and you are calling me, and these other people, idiots for not believing that the fitat currency theory is the mark of the beast-- when it doesn't fit all the characteristics.

    And you also post about Jesus casting people into Hell fire (which you call lava) based on a passage that says that he that is angry with his brother without a cause, a passage that says one who calls his 'thou fool' shall be in danger of hell fire.

    What is the difference between calling someone 'idiot' and 'thou fool.'

    Btw, I am curious if you actually have an ethnic Jewish background or a Jewish cultural background. I notice the avatar.

    Sometimes the name calling and bullying approaches gets conformity from some people. I don't care for it. But I wonder if you have gotten any converts at all through your name-calling techniques?
     
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    And to answer your questions,

    Gold is righteous money, that is why it cannot be called the "mark of the beast". The same 1 ounce of gold I give you today is the same 1 ounce of gold tomorrow, because the value of gold is based on weight, as it has been for thousands of years, and weight cannot be devalued, because it is a standard weight. It would be like changing the definition of a "pound" or a "liter", which would be evil, because now you're altering a standard weight, to try to steal when buying and selling, which is what the Torah forbids in another command, "you shall not have a stone and another stone, a lighter version and a heavier version of a stone". And the former names of the fiat currencies of the world were in fact names of standard weights for each country, "American dollars", "Colombian pesos", "British pounds". And if you look at all the former paper monies of the world, they were all gold certificates, because the name and number written on the gold certificates represented a value of gold based on how much the gold weighed in accordance to the name of a standard weight for each country. But then paper money in the USA was issued to represent gold at $21 USD per 1 troy ounce in the 1930's, and everyone was forced to trade in their gold for paper money by executive order or jail, then paper money was devalued at $35 USD per 1 troy ounce 2 years later, which is thievery, and then it was devalued more and more over the decades, then the backing of gold was removed in the 1970's, which then became fiat currency, which is more thievery and the worst type of debasement of money possible. And by this time the entire world also began adopting this form of money. And that is why fiat currency is a false weight and false number, because the name and number of paper money and fiat currency is no longer associated with a standard weight nor even gold itself. People have literally been left buying with mere names and numbers that represent nothing, through paper money and fiat currency, an imaginary perceived name and number, and that is why the mark of the beast comes in 2 forms, the "name of the beast", and the "number of the name". And this is the root of what impoverishes the world, because as fiat currency is devalued daily, wages and incomes lag behind the devaluation, then prices are caused to rise around everyone, then people are caused to enter into debt because of the devaluation and rise of prices, and then the debt is not given for free, it is given an interest. It is the great ponzi scheme of thievery the world has ever seen. That is why what an Egyptian makes in minimum wage in their fiat currency is enough to buy food for 1 day in the USA. And that is why in Venezuela people are eating out of garbage trucks, because of the devaluation of paper money and fiat currrency. None of this would happen if gold and silver were still used as money in the world, because it cannot be devalued in this way, and that is why it is good and righteous and valuable and stable and true money. UNDERSTANDDDDDDDDDDDDD. It's not rocket science, even atheists and economists know paper money and fiat currency is evil, even though they do not know nor understand the Torah nor prophecy. It's just basic economic principles. But christians are too stupid and ignorant to realize all of this, because they don't want to. They would rather believe fantasies and fairy tales of 666 tattoos and microchips than understand the obvious truth that they form of money they're buying and selling with daily is evil, and contrary to the command of the Torah.

    And then, "you shall not steal" and "you shall not murder" is not only for the sons of Israel, it is for the entire earth, which includes "you shall not have righteous weights and balances", because the Torah is the knowledge of good and evil, the knowledge of sin. So to cast off the Torah to then justify this evil form of money is absurd and stupid beyond reason. And I laugh as I type this, because I know all you people are trying to do is reject the truth any way you can, to your own condemnation and demise. You should be thanking me that I am telling you what no one else is going to tell you.

    And also, fiat currency is issued to everyone great and small, rich and poor, and according to the laws of legal tender of every nation in the world, it is the only way to buy or sell. If you are caught receiving in salary in gold, you will probably end up in jail, as can be seen in recent trials in the USA. Paper money and fiat currency has truly fulfilled prophecy.

    I got rid of all my paper money and fiat currency. I am one of the only people in the entire world that has done this, in accordance to the understanding that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast.

    And finally, I would suggest you read my bible studies regarding this topic, which go into more detail about this. Also, recall what I told the other person on this forum, who I blocked, because I don't have time to argue with idiots, I don't need you people to believe what I believe, it is you people that need to believe what I believe, because it is the truth. So I don't need to show you anything, but because I care, I have published bible studies that explain all of this in great detail, with photos, and diagrams, etc. There's really no excuse to not understand. If you care about your own soul, you will read the bible studies entirely and understand it, but if you don't want to read, because you're lazy or don't care to know why I am saying all of this, then don't read. It will be your loss, not my loss, the loss of your own soul. I will have satisfaction once everything I have said comes to pass, and you people are left in misery and condemnation, because you refused to believe and understand what I am telling you, which is the truth, especially when all the information was placed coherently before you to give you ample time to read and understand and prepare.

    The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God
    What the Mark of the Beast Is and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God
     
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    It's not that there is a difference between "idiot" and "fool", because there isn't, it's the intention behind why someone would call someone else an idiot or fool. If someone calls me an idiot because I say homosexuality is evil, their intention is evil, because their reason in saying so is because of a lie they believe and promulgate regarding homosexuality, which in their eyes is good. But if I call a homosexual an idiot for refusing to believe homosexuality is evil, my intention is good, because my reason in saying so is the truth. And that is why the Torah commands us, "you shall rebuke your neighbor, to not partake in their guilt". And that is why Paul called the Galatians "fools", to rebuke them, for a good purpose, not to condemn them, but to try to wake them up. My purpose in calling you people idiots is to wake you up, so that you can understand why paper money and fiat currency is evil, so that you can come to repentance, and be saved. I've already tried the "being nice" card for many years through these internet forums, and it doesn't work. So perhaps if I start calling you people idiots, which is what you really are for refusing to understand the truth, perhaps then, with stronger words, you will listen. Or perhaps not.
     
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    Sorry! You are not understanding that God is talking about the Israel of faith, and not the nation of israel that now is, by the Rothchilds etc.
    Remember, "not all of Israel is Israel", STILL!
    "God is no respecter of persons".
    Much of the Bible is not literal or chronological.
    You are still filtering your thoughts through the Pre-Millennial view!

    Have you forgotten how large the Israel of faith is now, through Jesus? Have not the Gentiles, through faith in Christ, been graffed into that "good olive tree"?
    Is it not true, that born again Christians are now the "new creatures/creation, being that "nation" of a pecular people, that the KoG is given to?

    Is it not we, the born again Christians, who through faith in Christ, do not learn of war anymore, but rather learn and choose to be at Peace with God and our fellow man?
     
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    I can understand your objections to fiat currency. I am not in favor of it. Your argument rests on allegoricalizing weight and measures is debatable. Bartering with wheat is not forbidden, but the price of wheat goes up and down. The Torah does not forbid bartering with papyrus, even if the price goes up and down. That's a more realistic comparison. But be that as it may, I agree that fiat currency is problematic. Meanwhile, there still are actual scales out there, and literal weights in traditional marketplaces throughout the world. It is still possible to literally use a false weight. That doesn't have to be allegoricalized away.

    Where your post starts getting crazy is equating it with the mark of the beast. There are plenty of things that are against the Torah that are not taking the mark of the beast. A psycho can rape and kill someone without taking the mark of the beast. A shoplifter can steal without taking the mark of the beast. A gossip can gossip without taking the mark of the beast. In Revelation, people will not be allowed to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast on their hand and forehead. It does not say that the currency they use is the mark of the beast. And in the passages, taking the mark of the beast is paired with idolatry.

    They say when your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I think you may be so hung up on fiat currency that you like to nail it into doctrines where it doesn't belong. I could say I've met three of the two witnesses in online discussions, if I'd believed their commentary about themselves. I encountered someone who considered himself to be Jesus. I do not usually click on their links and read their Bible studies. You haven't given me any reason to think that fiat currency is the mark of the beast. That is an outlandish claim to make without proving it. I haven't noticed you responding to the issues I pointed out of it not fitting he specific texts. If you want to argue that fiat currency is evil, that is a little more reasonable, but I don't quite buy the weights and measures allegoricalization it relies on at this time. Your main form of persuasion seems to be calling people names if they do not agree with you, and I tend to avoid that sort of thing. I would not want that to rub off on me. You haven't sold me on the idea of investing time on your articles for these reasons.

    If you were claiming God told you that fiat currency was the mark, that would actually be more rational than what you are arguing, though scarier in other ways.

    You call gold righteous money. What kind of unrighteous mammon existed in the first century? They did not have fiat currency did they? There are warnings about money against loving silver, putting one's hope in gold. I cannot find such things about fiat currency. I think they apply, but it does not make gold inherently 'righteous.' It is a metal God made, so it is good from that perspective. But humans should not love it.

    Even pagans seem to know these things are wrong instinctively. God also spoke to Noah about man shedding man's blood in the passage that tells of God's covenant with Noah. As far as teaching for Gentiles goes, Christ sent the apostles to the nations with authority to teach them. Christ and the apostles taught against theft and murder.

    The apostles decided against commanding the Gentiles to be circumcised and commanded to obey the law of Moses, perceiving that it seemed good to the Spirit to write another letter. The Torah implies certain things are sins for Gentiles. Do you walk around in priestly robes and follow priestly ordinances? Do you take a bath after a period? Some laws are just for certain people.

    The mark of the beast passage tells of being required to take a mark to buy or sell, not the currency being the mark. I don't see most money users bowing down to idols. I'm sure some do. Some idols are made of gold, too. I suspect there are offerings of gold to idols somewhere out there.

    Show me the prophecy about people going to jail for using gold.

    Do you believe you are going to burn till the end of the age for using fiat currency before you got rid of it?

    How did you get access to your computer?
    I don't care the manipulation, either the argument above or insulting those who disagree with you. I could write, "If you care about your own soul, you will bite my toenails. It doesn't make it so. Your leaps of logic are irrational. Combined with the name calling, and the time I could be spending in scripture or other writings, reading your studies does not seem to be a wise use of my time...for my soul or others. If you had some reason that fiat currency actually fit the mark of the beast that made any sense, then you could lead with that instead of burying it in a study. The intro you are posting isn't compelling enough to invest in them.

    Also, a motivation for calling people 'thou fool' in Matthew 5 is anger, something you confessed to in one of your posts.
     
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    Dogs do not see the value in pearls. It's not that the pearls aren't valuable, it's that dogs cannot perceive value in pearls. One of my pearls is the truth that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast is symbolic, not literal, in a book of symbols, which is the book of Revelation, which represents a forbidden currency contrary to the Torah that the entire world would be caused to used to buy and sell. And the right hand symbolizes authority, which is authority to buy and sell once you merely possess fiat currency, and the forehead symbolizes debt, which is debt of fiat currency, as another way to buy and sell, for the forehead is symbolic of being owned by the name written on the forehead, and a borrower is a slave to his lender. And fiat currency is the only way to buy and sell in the world according to the laws of legal tender. And it is issued to everyone great and small and rich and poor. Fiat currency has fulfilled all the requirements of the mark of the beast of Revelation. It is not irrational to believe fiat currency is the mark of the beast, it is only irrational in the minds of the irrational who would rather discard this obvious truth in favor of their own fantasies of 666 tattoos and microchips. But, I perceive that no matter what I say, you will still refuse to believe. So I will also block you, since I don't have time to argue with idiots. Soon enough everything I have said will come to pass, and I will laugh at the demise of you people, because all this time you refused to believe and understand what I was telling you, to be saved. You deserve what is coming against you.
     
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    You call me an idiot, and then you want to block me?? How myopic, that you care not to listen to anyone else except your own Jewish ways!

    Is it any wonder, that God took the KoG away from the Jews, and gave it to another nation, who are born again people through Christ?

    If you don't understand the following verse now, it just may be that you never will:
    Luke 13[35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    >Who NOW, and has been, are they that come to the Jews "in the Name of the Lord" ?
    A. Born again Christians!
     
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    What's all this talk about dogs and pearls?
     
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    Fiat money is not anything, until it goes completely DIGITAL, and "fiat cash" becomes outlawed!
    Then and only then, will the MoB be necessary and implemented. The reason being, "hard cash" will no longer be tangeble or needed!!
     
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    It is up to you then if you will accept the pearls of other posters' correction.

    The saying that Christ quoted is not to cast pearls before swine.

    That's too tenuous, especially that part about debt.

    Uh.... no it doesn't. It doesn't match with the association with idolatry. I suppose you could heavily allegoricalize away idolatry until it is meaningless as some do.

    Wouldn't you agree that te 666 talents Solomon collected were in gold rather than paper or digital currency?

    It is also irrational to those of us who roll their eyes at many such theories.


    If you spout wild conspiracy theories with 'dots' to far apart to connect, you are unlikely to find many followers, especially if you insult people while quoting words of Christ against doing so. Maybe you should humble yourself enough to consider that just maybe you have not figured everything out. Listening might do you some good.

    Maybe everyone should just block you. Your attitude-- want to laugh at the demise people who do not believe your theories-- which seem rather crackpot to be honest-- is rather unbecoming.

    Aren't you to one who did something you believe the book of Revelation says you will be burned in the fire? Didn't you use fiat currency in the past? If you think you are gong to the fire, is that why you just go ahead and call people idiots in anger, too?
     
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    How can you know this, and treat it as a fact?
     
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    Its NOT about the number!!
    The number is just a reference, for us to go find the truth in 1 Kings 10:14
    Solomon recieved FREE gold (money to us) from the goverment of the Queen of Sheeba in one year!

    Q. What is UBI- "Universal Basic Income"?
    Now we have to look for the "trip wire" as to WHY or for what reason the world sees the need to go global with FREE digitized money allotments for one year?
    A. Rev. 9:13-15. WW3, whereby the present economic system would collapse because it is land based.
    However, with the new 5G technology, now coming into play, that technology is based not on land, but rather upon 20,000 low earth orbit satelites, now being launched into space.
    So, when WW3 does take place, the new Communications base will not be effected. Therefore, a mandatory "MoB" plan of "Digitized money" could be implemented without any interference by the social CHAOS on earth, that shall take place!
     
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