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    gaviria.christian Member

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    Bitcoin is not going to replace global fiat currency, there just simply isn't enough time for that to happen, because we are less than 7 years away from the second coming of Yeshuah. And also, bitcoin is already fiat currency, so it wouldn't even matter if a switch was made globally to it, since it would be going from one evil to the next evil. I've heard of UBI, from what I've heard it to be is that everyone makes money no matter what. Atrocious, because even the lazy are paid.
     
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    Popular literature maybe? Maybe something that does not contain the actual details from the book of Revelation that do not fit your theory.

    Do you think the smoke of our torment (yours included) will rise to heaven forever and ever because of using fiat currency?

    Do you consider yourself damned for buying a candy bar? How about for giving money to the poor?

    Believing such a thing is irrational if all you have is what the Bible says. Did you hear God speak to you and say that these names for currency relate to the 666 talents of gold. Those were gold, not fiat currency.

    Honestly, when someone believes something like this very strongly without evidence, I wonder about their mental health.
     
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    the issue trading is not man's means of exchange but God's. 'The mark' has nothing to do with money irrespective of whether it is fiat or genuine.
    The battle is to do with allegiance. Unless those dots are joined man's wisdom will spawn theories infinitum and miss the mark.
     
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    narf, bro, you are all the way gone ok, sorry.
    private interpretations alla way out at the end of the bell curve bro
    @marks
    ty
     
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    imo too. Why is gold worth any more than lead?
     
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    I am a man that is well read. And I have read the entire bible, including the book of Revelation. As such, the words "forever and ever" are mistranslations. Smoke is not going to rise "forever and ever" on an earth that is going to pass away after the 1,000 years of the Messiah are completed. It is illogical. The Greek works aeon and aionios mean "aeon" and "aeonial", which means lasting for a long time. The smoke of the torment will rise till the aeons of the aeons, which begin with the new heavens and new earth. The smoke of the lake of lava will continually ascend for 1,000 years, because not only will it be the place where the nations will be thrown into to die at the second coming of Yeshuah, but even under the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, if anyone as so much calls his brother "fool" out of hatred, will be thrown into the lava, for Yeshuah will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And yes, the mere possession of fiat currency will curse a person into the lake of lava. Men in antiquity have been punished by God for much less, so why should it come as a shock that men would be condemned for a currency that steals from and impoverishes the entire world through it? It is the ignorance of the masses that keeps this evil form of money going, for if everyone exchanged it for metals and stopped receiving and using fiat currency, and began buying and selling with metals, that form of money would cease to exist. I am also not mentally ill, I am a rational man. You can choose to believe me, or not believe me, but either way, soon enough the entire world will be made to realize that fiat currency is indeed evil when it all comes crashing down. Then I will take pleasure in telling you idiots, "I told you so", because you refused to believe and understand the truth I was telling you about fiat currency, which even atheists know is evil.
     
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    You sure you aren't taking pleasure now in thinking others idiots?
     
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    I wouldn't be on here trying to persuade you people of the truth if I took pleasure in you people being ignorant. I would just keep quiet and let you people fall flat on your faces soon, which is probably what will happen anyways, because none of you believe nor understand what I am telling you. But, because I care, I am on here wasting my time with you people, casting my pearls to dogs. But soon enough I will stop caring, once the time of wrath begins, and will delight in your wailing and hunger and agony and destruction, because that is what you people deserve, for refusing to believe and understand the truth, and ridiculing those who are trying to help you. Vengeance belongs to God, and he will indeed avenge his people.
     
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    When one looks at how the merchants of the world weep because mystery Babylon has fallen, they're not weeping because Jerusalem isn't buying their wares anymore Jerusalem isn't buying that much. The biggest consumer of the world's wares is the US, and the US is buying everything on credit that they're never going to pay back. When the merchants wake up to this fact, they're all going to weep.

    When the economy collapses, all those countries who manufacture, or produce things will still be able to manufacture or produce things. The US produces military weaponry that has been outdated for decades. The two biggest exports of the US are garbage and pornography. Good luck living on that. Nobody is even going to buy the US's garbage anymore.
     
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    The standard of living in a number of so-called first world countries is rapidly declining. The cost of living is skyrocketing, and life expectancy also just hit a peak and is in decline. Infant mortality is on the rise. Drug addiction, alcoholism, perversion, violence, crime, etc. are all rising.

    One major metropolitan city after another is rapidly turning into a third world country. Tens of thousands of people are now living permanently in tents that are becoming hubs for disease. We're even seeing diseases we haven't seen since the middle ages. Los Angeles has a rat infestation. People are coming down with the plague, and losing limbs just from being around sick people.

    50 years ago, you would be hard pressed to find a fertility clinic in any major city. Now there are pages of them listed. All first world countries are no longer reproducing at replacement levels. No one is forcing people to abstain from having children. People are unable or unwilling to have children.

    The list goes on and on ad nauseum. The entire financial system is teetering on the edge of a economic meltdown. They've turned the financial markets into a casino. Companies are going public with over 10 million dollars of debt per year, and people are investing in them This is completely insane! This was unheard of even 20 years ago.

    People are investing in companies that are losing money year after year. The government lends the money out at low low interest rates almost continually now. It is then used to boost stock prices so the CEO's and owners can then sell their shares at a profit, and abandoned their own companies to the bankruptcy courts.

    With the repeal of Glass Steagal, all money that is deposited into your bank is then rehypothecated. It is used to cover their bets, and in many cases, it only takes one bad bet to bankrupt a bank. Stock holders are the first in line to recoup any losses though. Those who are just keeping money in a bank get nothing because inflation has already made it worthless. Chase has a few bets that can't be repaid if they lose. Their exposure to the derivatives market reveals that there isn't enough money in the whole world to cover some of their bets.

    When the market crashes, all that money goes to dollar heaven. It's nothing but a blatant scam; a Ponzi scheme on steroids. It is Satanic to the core.
     
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    The US talks constantly of peace and security (e.g. "spreading democracy around the world", and "homeland security"), but dropping bombs doesn't make anyone safe. Fomenting wars around the world doesn't make people safe. The US speaks of peace and security like a lamb, but attacks like a dragon.
     
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    I realize there are some issues related to 'forever and ever.' I was using a common translation. You dodged the main issue. Why would God condemn people for using money?


    You believe that but go around people who do not believe your unsupported theories 'idiots?'

    Typically, when God punished people, it was because they sinned. Usually, that involved violating a specific law. There is no law in the Bible against using fiat currency. Peter said the love of silver was the root of all kinds of evil. He didn't say the love of fiat currency. Job said if he made gold his hope, he would have been guilty of iniquity. He did not say fiat currency.

    And has fiat currency impoverished the world? Since we have had fiat currency, a lot of wealth has been created, not only in fiat currency, but it has also coincided with great economic development and food production than can be seen in the increased standard of living. You might say people are 'impoverished' because they have paper in their pockets instead of shiny money. But people do not eat gold and most people in pre-fiat currency days did not build their houses out of gold. Fiat currency has made certain individuals incredibly wealthy, but where is the evidence that people have been made poor?

    I just find the system unstable, and it is accompanied by a reliance on interest, too, to make the whole system work. But most of the countries that have this are Gentile nations. Israelites were allowed to charge Gentiles interest. Where is the law against the nations charging interest in the Torah, and more importantly, where is the law against fiat currency? There was a very literal problem with unjust weights. The devisers of fiat currency gave people paper money. They weren't swapping out .8 of a homer weights for a 1 homer weight.

    But if you were right that the fiat currency system impoverished the world, then so what? That still does not fit with the description of the mark of the beast or Solomon's talents of gold that he collected. Unless you have some reason outside of the Bible to think that God has revealed these talents of silver are related to fiat currencies, it makes no sense to believe it. Using paper money is not inherently idolatrous either. Revelation associates accepting the mark of the beast with worshipping his image.

    You dodge all these issues, not responding to them in your responses to me. You also neglected to answer my questions about whether you would be damned if your beliefs are true. Have you ever used money?
     
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    I already told you, because fiat currency breaks the command of the Torah, "you shall have righteous balances and weights". Disobedience to a command of the Torah leads to destruction. That is the short explanation why. And here is the long explanation why, and read it carefully, so that you can understand,

    And through the Federal Reserve Bank the USA brought a new form of money that would eventually be used by all central banks of the kingdoms of the earth that followed its example, “paper money”, for money before this time was gold and silver for thousands of years, which are rare enough and difficult enough to extract from the earth to make them valuable, which were minted in coins and used to buy and sell with them, which everyone in the world agreed was valuable and agreed to use to buy and sell, which is what “money” is, and the value of gold and silver was based on its weight, and each kingdom on the earth established their own name for a fixed measure of weight, such as “dollars”, “pesos”, “pounds”, and “shekels”, which were all previously names of weights, and the inhabitants of each kingdom bought and sold according to the number of those names of weights in gold, where 4 British Pounds of gold and 21 United States of America Dollars of gold and 21 Colombian Pesos of gold were equivalent to the weight of around 1 troy ounce of gold, yet in an evil financial scheme around 1933 AD the USA confiscated the gold of all Americans through an executive order it issued, and they were given certificates in exchange for the gold they were forced to give to the Federal Reserve Bank, and these certificates represented the gold they turned in and could also be used to redeem that same measure of gold they turned in, which were issued at a worth of around $21 USD per 1 troy ounce, and they could also be used to buy and sell as if it were money, “paper money”, for everyone agreed this paper money was valuable, not because the paper itself was valuable, but because they knew it represented gold at the bank, which they could redeem any time when banks were open, and then around 2 years later is when the thievery began, the Federal Reserve Bank devalued the paper money to around $35 USD per 1 troy ounce, thus stealing the gold Americans were forced to give to the Federal Reserve Bank in exchange for the certificates, and over several decades the Federal Reserve Bank continued stealing more by devaluing the paper money more and more, and by around this time all kingdoms of the earth were also adopting and issuing paper money through their own central banks to their own inhabitants, which today absolutely every kingdom on earth issues, even Cuba and North Korea, and then around 1971 AD is when the USA declared that paper money would no longer be redeemable in gold at a bank, which was a massive theft, because the banks kept all the gold that everyone was forced to give them while leaving everyone with mere paper money to continue buying and selling as if nothing happened, which is when paper money also became “fiat currency”, which is the worst form of debasement of money possible, because unlike the value of gold, which was based on its weight, the value of this form of money is now based on a “perceived imaginary” number given to it by those who issue it, for the paper money no longer represents the gold it was originally issued to represent, nor does it represent anything else of value in place of the gold, nor does the paper money represent the actual value of the paper itself, which has very little value, for it is common, so it is therefore a false value, a “perceived imaginary” value, a false weight, and a false number of a weight, and the mutual agreement of everyone to keep using paper money to buy and sell is what keeps it going, like a strong river that pushes anything in it and takes much strength to resist the strong flow of the river, and everyone is unaware that they have been deceived and robbed, very slowly, and continue to be robbed, very slowly, for those who issue paper money continue devaluing it more and more, as if stealing all that gold wasn’t enough, and as the incomes and salaries of the people lag behind the devaluation, then prices are caused to go up around them, which then causes them to go into debt with the same people that issue this form of money, and the debt is not given to them for free, it is given at interest, and thus, those who issued this form of money have not only became the owners of all the gold they stole for decades, but the owners of everything else in the world, through debt, houses through mortgages, cars through auto loans, possessions through credit cards, and many other forms of debt, thus leaving the world impoverished through paper money and fiat currency, and that is why today around 1,155 British Pounds and 1,500 United States Dollars and 164,000 Colombian Pesos buys the same 1 troy ounce of gold, it’s not that the value of gold has gone up, it’s that the value of paper money has gown down to epic proportions, and inhabitants of the world are not wealthier now, they are poorer, it is the greatest ponzi scheme of thievery the world has ever seen, which is the true explanation of the debt crisis in the USA, and although it may seem like Americans are wealthy and prosperous because they have houses and cars and possessions, most now have these things through debt, not making them true owners of anything, merely glorified slaves, an illusion of wealth, working daily to pay their debts to keep what they have or it will be taken away, and in other lesser nations, like Egypt for example, what they earn in minimum wage in 1 day in their fiat currency is sufficient enough to buy food for 1 day in a richer country like the USA, they are utterly impoverished through paper money and fiat currency, and in another example in Venezuela, their paper money and fiat currency has devalued so quickly that people there are eating food from garbage trucks, and few understand that the root cause of all these problems is the form of money itself, and even though the love of money was previously the root of all evil, now money itself has become the root of all evil, and therefore paper money and fiat currency is the true “mark of the beast”of Revelation, which is issued to everyone rich and poor and great and small in the world and promulgated unto the world through the second beast of Revelation, which is the USA, and is the only legal form of money to buy and sell with according to the laws of legal tender of all the nations of the world, and because of the evil done through paper money and fiat currency is why the Torah forbids this form of money through commands that many think are irrelevant in our time, “you shall have righteous scales and stones” and “you shall not have in your bag one stone and another stone, a heavy and a light” and “you shall do no unrighteousness in judgment of measurements, weight, or volume”, and paper money and fiat currency is not a righteous and true value, because it was issued to represent gold and then was devalued and then became a false worthless value that no longer represented gold and then it is still continually devalued, “fiat currency”, an unrighteous and false value, which is far worst and more deceptive than thieves who existed thousands of years ago who had a heavier stone and a lighter stone of the same name of a weight in order to deceptively steal more gold putting the heavier version of the weight on a balance to make a sale, or putting a lighter version of the weight on the balance to deceptively give less gold when making a purchase, and through this form of money everyone is caused to commit sin, because the mere possession of false scales and false weights is already sin, meaning the mere possession of money is already sin, and it is not possessing gold and silver that is sin, for this is true money and acceptable to God in his Torah, but possessing this specific form of money that is sin, which is possessing paper money and fiat currency
     
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    You are correct! Bit-Coin is just an experiment, allowed to freely take place in the world. Its operation is being watched and studied with great intensity, whereby the banking elite are now developing their form of "digital currency" that will become dominant, as the vehicle in which they shall endorse.

    Sorry! I surely do hope that YOU are not attempting to set a time for the Lord's Glorious return in flaming fire!

    A period of a 7 year tribulation?
    You are Jewish, and you still don't understand the 70 weeks in Daniel? I'm shocked, but you should be alarmed!!

    As for "digitized money", its not about the amount you have in your bank or in your wallet, its going to be about the WAY in which you will have to "buy and sell" with it. BUT FIRST, in order to do that "buying and selling", you will have to get permission from the bank for your account to be DRAWN upon!

    There will be a difference between what you EARNED and deposited, as opposed to what the government(s) of the world (through the authority of the UN), will GIFT and deposit to all people "in one year". Yes, a FREE allotment of a specified amount, in order to keep the world economy going (the gift of Sheeba to Solomon in one year)

    Will you be TEMPTED? You better believe it!!
    An allotment of, lets say $1000 per month, FREELY deposited "digitally" into YOUR account "for one year" by your government, and you won't be able or allowed to touch it, UNTIL YOU agree to THEIR TERMS for their "New World Order", aka their "Millennium" of "peace and security".

    Are you LOL yet? Surely you will be,
    until you FIND OUT what the
    "trip wire" shall be, that brings the "MoB" upon the whole world.
    See KJV- Revelation 9:13-15.

    Yes! WW3, whereby 33% of men are "KILLED", all IN ONE DAY! Please Read it. It takes place on a specific DATE.
    The results? The world economy will be in a shambles, not to mention full blown social CHAOS!

    Again, see 1 Kings 10:14, and understand the HOW of why the MoB shall be, and not what you think it is, through your religious glasses!

    If you understand that the 10 horns are Europe, then you should know/learn that Christine Lagarde has just taken the postion of president for the European Central Bank economy, and plans to convert the EURO into "digital money". It just may become the "reserve currency" of the world! BTW, the MoB is prophesied to come out of the 10H Beast- Europe!
     
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    The 70 weeks of Daniel was already fulfilled entirely. There is no floating 70th week, which the false "7 year tribulation" teaching is based on. Read my bible study regarding Why the 70 Weeks Prophecy of Daniel Was Fulfilled Entirely | Wisdom of God . The great tribulation will be much less, 1 year, for wailing and famine and plague and death are appointed to be rendered to the prostitute of Babylon for 1 prophetic day, which is 360 literal days, according to Revelation. I suggest you read my bible study regarding the dates of the events of the second coming and inform yourself Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth | Wisdom of God .
     
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    WRONG!!
    The judgment of God already took place through His Son the Lord Jesus, and until His Glorious Return, is still happening daily!!
    John 3[18]
    A. He that believeth on him is not condemned:
    B. but he that believeth not is condemned already,
    C. because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
     
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    The judgment has not happened yet. The judgment begins at the second coming of Yeshuah. Why are you people so deceived into so much error? Sober up and understand the truth, and perhaps you will not fall flat on your faces because of your own stupidity and stubbornness. I am tired of arguing with imbeciles daily who refuse to understand. Should I remove myself from these internet forums? Maybe I will, for good, there is no hope for any of you.
     
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    Thank you for agreeing with me that the 70 week prophecy is completely fulfilled. Evidently I misread you! Yes, we are together on that understanding.

    As I did previously say, we do agree on many things.
    As for the Torah, Christ's Righteousness is beyond the righteousness of the Law. That is why we must be born again! We must recieve God's Righteousness, which is the Gift of Himself through faith in His Son.
     
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    You evidently didn't read John 3:18, or you are unable to comprehend it. So then, lets try this:
    Rom. 8[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
    Right there, the judgment in John 3:18 is made visible!
     
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    No, you idiot. The judgment begins at the second coming of Yeshuah, which is when he will sit on a throne on the earth to judge the entire world, for the entire world will be captured by his armies of angels and taken to the Valley of Jehoshaphat to await judgment. The people of God who were gathered shortly after his coming to inherit the kingdom of God will also be given authority to judge the world. And the final condemnation of the judgment will be being thrown into a lake of lava on the south side of Jerusalem. UNDERSTAND the truth.
     
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