Personal Revelation

[CoreIssue]

I would go a bit further...

I mean - that's the point. God goes so far beyond the written word, "I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."

Of course it is advisable to hold the scriptures as an anchor, but they are little more than world-bound nonsense without their greater unseen spiritual counterpart - only the tip of that greater iceberg known as the kingdom of God. For this reason the apostle Paul (the apostle appointed to these times of the gentiles, when God promised to pour out His spirit upon all flesh) also preached "leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come"...considered it all as "elementary."

Therefore, I hope to leave it all behind daily, and often do.

You're pushing Gnosticism.

 

[Helen]

I mean - that's the point. God goes so far beyond the written word, "I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."

Of course it is advisable to hold the scriptures as an anchor, but they are little more than world-bound nonsense without their greater unseen spiritual counterpart - only the tip of that greater iceberg known as the kingdom of God. For this reason the apostle Paul (the apostle appointed to these times of the gentiles, when God promised to pour out His spirit upon all flesh) also preached "leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come"...considered it all as "elementary."

Therefore, I hope to leave it all behind daily, and often do.

Good post as usual Scott
But on this thread already it is showing up those who have a real speaking and hearing relationship with Father....and those who can only have a relationship via the Book. ( A wonderful book, an enduring Book, a book we all trust and need to keep reading...) ...

I meet so many who have the Book on some pedestal and if Father tried to speak to them while in prayer , would rebuke the voice and say.."I must read my Book "

Religion over a living relationship.

Yet how many long ago in the OT both heard and spoke to the living God , without the Book.... Yet these here maintain God can and will only speak through a Book!! How sad...
Yet they say this is a better covenant !

 

[Helen]

Good thread @aspen Thanks bro.

 

[prashanthd]

Yet these here maintain God can and will only speak through a Book!! How sad...
Yet they say this is a better covenant !

If God wants to speak to some of us through a book, which is a Holy Book, which was inspired to be written by God himself, we cannot say no or belittle those who believe. All we can "if it is appropriate for you to speak to some of us through Bible, then thy will be done. Amen"
All glory to God.

 

[Helen]

If God wants to speak to some of us through a book, which is a Holy Book, which was inspired to be written by God himself, we cannot say no or belittle those who believe. All we can "if it is appropriate for you to speak to some of us through Bible, then thy will be done. Amen"
All glory to God.

Obviously God DOES speak through His book...we learn to hear His voice in and through The Book.

I am contending with those who maintain that God ONLY speaks through the Book.

 

[CoreIssue]

Obviously God DOES speak through His book...we learn to hear His voice in and through The Book.

I am contending with those who maintain that God ONLY speaks through the Book.

God expects us to listen to him through his book. That is what it gave to us for.

The conversation with a rich man in hell who wanted more to be done that we're expected to seek answers the bible.

That does not mean we're never communicated with in other ways. But it is the primary way.

Some try to elevate their spirituality by claiming they have a private phone line to God, which is Gnosticism.

 

[Helen]

God expects us to listen to him through his book. That is what it gave to us for.

The conversation with a rich man in hell who wanted more to be done that we're expected to seek answers the bible.

That does not mean we're never communicated with in other ways. But it is the primary way.

Some try to elevate their spirituality by claiming they have a private phone line to God, which is Gnosticism.

You are quite welcome to your opinion. But sad that all you have is a Book. You would choose to leave the Lord "standing in a corner" wishing for one to one conversation with you...while you turn your back and pick up your bible.

Well, God bless you anyway.

LOADS of missionary stories about how the missionary "heard God speak" , ie, "Don't go down the path , take the other one..."
Many wonderful stories...
No they did not say ..." Oh wait and let me check my bible"...they instantly obeyed His inner voice and were saved from death many times.

"My sheep hear My voice..."

 

[CoreIssue]

You are quite welcome to your opinion. But sad that all you have is a Book. You would choose to leave the Lord "standing in a corner" wishing for one to one conversation with you...while you turn your back and pick up your bible.

You keep making assumptions that are false.

God does speak to individuals at need. But he does not add to the bible nor speak of things you can find in the bible.

Well, God bless you anyway.

LOADS of missionary stories about how the missionary "heard God speak" , ie, "Don't go down the path , take the other one..."
Many wonderful stories...

I am fully aware of those happenings. And have had my own

Obviously, you are not carefully reading what I have said.

No they did not say ..." Oh wait and let me check my bible"...they instantly obeyed His inner voice and were saved from death many times.

"My sheep hear My voice..."

Christ said this in the OT times. But you are trying to change the meaning to fit the NT.

 

[Helen]

Haha!!
Okay, whatever....

Have a good day. I must get on with mine now...I am running late.

 

[ScottA]

You're pushing Gnosticism.

Not sure what that 'ism is really, but I do know that God is spirit...and I will push that to the end.

 

[CoreIssue]

Not sure what that 'ism is really, but I do know that God is spirit...and I will push that to the end.

Yes, god is a spirit, which is not relevant to the topic.

Gnosticism are the elect who receive special knowledge and revelation beyond what the bible says. They know secrets only revealed to them.

 

[ScottA]

Good post as usual Scott
But on this thread already it is showing up those who have a real speaking and hearing relationship with Father....and those who can only have a relationship via the Book. ( A wonderful book, an enduring Book, a book we all trust and need to keep reading...) ...

I meet so many who have the Book on some pedestal and if Father tried to speak to them while in prayer , would rebuke the voice and say.."I must read my Book "

Religion over a living relationship.

Yet how many long ago in the OT both heard and spoke to the living God , without the Book.... Yet these here maintain God can and will only speak through a Book!! How sad...
Yet they say this is a better covenant !

Well said. We need to keep this all in the proper perspective, that God's word is good, but He who inspired it is God and "has many more things to say" unto us, though we "could not bear it" when He walked the earth. By these words which He spoke, we know there is more to come [in spirit].

 

[ScottA]

Yes, god is a spirit, which is not relevant to the topic.

Gnosticism are the elect who receive special knowledge and revelation beyond what the bible says. They know secrets only revealed to them.

Well...I would have to take that "personal", and should, because our relationship, wherein He reveals things to His people...is indeed, personal.

So, you are just wrong.

And if you believe that God has not revealed Himself to individuals [by name] down through all the ages - call it what 'ism you will, but you are wrong again.

 

[prashanthd]

There have been many who claimed to have heard from God directly, perhaps even mentioned it in books. There were always people who did not believe them because they were only claims and couldn't be proved.
These days because of advancement in science, technology and medicine it is easily understood as a psychological disorder. What I mean is that such claims are more difficult to prove.
Whenever a person comes up to speak from Bible whether personal or public it is acceptable at all times over the years by all believers.
So we say let God be true and everyone else a liar. God wants us to test every spirit before we believe. So Bible is always believed in place of personal claims by most of us.

 

[ScottA]

There have been many who claimed to have heard from God directly, perhaps even mentioned it in books. There were always people who did not believe them because they were only claims and couldn't be proved.
These days because of advancement in science, technology and medicine it is easily understood as a psychological disorder. What I mean is that such claims are more difficult to prove.
Whenever a person comes up to speak from Bible whether personal or public it is acceptable at all times over the years by all believers.
So we say let God be true and everyone else a liar. God wants us to test every spirit before we believe. So Bible is always believed in place of personal claims by most of us.

As I said before, and will say again, the scriptures are of course the only bedrock of truth to retreat to. But to retread as a rule, is not biblical, we must "press on" or be left behind. If anyone is waiting for a personal invitation from God - you have it already. Did you not hear the knock at the door? Pressing on, is now on you.

 

[CoreIssue]

As I said before, and will say again, the scriptures are of course the only bedrock of truth to retreat to. But to retread as a rule, is not biblical, we must "press on" or be left behind. If anyone is waiting for a personal invitation from God - you have it already. Did you not hear the knock at the door? Pressing on, is now on you.

Everyone is born with the emptiness in craving for god. Is not personal revelation.

 

[ScottA]

Everyone is born with the emptiness in craving for god. Is not personal revelation.

So...do I really need to name off the exhaustive list from Noah to Moses and all the prophets, etc., whom God named by name and personally revealed Himself to as individuals instead of to "everyone" in the masses, to show you how wrong you are?

Yours is the kind of thinking that caused Israel to kill the prophets sent to them from God. Stand with them or stand with God, your choice.

 

[Heart2Soul]

One day I was driving home from Tulsa...I worked with a company out of Stillwater and every week we would meet on Monday morning in the Stillwater office then head to Tulsa, book our hotel rooms and begin setting appointments. We would check out on Friday and head back home....as I was driving God spoke to me and said "Patty, I want you to move to Tulsa." ….I said "I don't even like Tulsa, but if you want me to move there then you will have to provide the way because I can't afford it."
The following Monday after we had our meeting at the office my boss called me aside and asked me if I would consider moving to Tulsa.....(hmmm)....I said I would but I couldn't afford the cost....the company paid for everything....it didn't cost me a dime. After moving I asked what church I should attend.....He said "Victory" so I did....I grew so much while there...its a long story but God does speak to his children.

I can't list everything He ever said because it was a daily thing! I walked and talked with my Father daily....and daily He spoke to me.

 

[CoreIssue]

So...do I really need to name off the exhaustive list from Noah to Moses and all the prophets, etc., whom God named by name and personally revealed Himself to as individuals instead of to "everyone" in the masses, to show you how wrong you are?

Yours is the kind of thinking that caused Israel to kill the prophets sent to them from God. Stand with them or stand with God, your choice.

The bible is complete. That means no more bible type prophets. Someone claims to be a prophet with new revelation, they are a false prophet.

 

[ScottA]

The bible is complete. That means no more bible type prophets. Someone claims to be a prophet with new revelation, they are a false prophet.

It is the written word that is complete or finished, that's all. But the work of the Holy Spirit is not...and to claim otherwise is "unforgivable."