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[Douggg]

How can Yeshua come 1,335 days after the AoD when the power of the Beast is removed 1,260 days after it?

What is your basis for saying that the power of the Beast is removed 1260 days after the AoD is setup ?

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The power of the beast is removed when Jesus returns. The beast (and the false prophet) will be cast into the lake of fire.

AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns, AoD removed, and the beast (and the false prophet) cast into the lake of fire.

 

[KUWN]

For those who put the Rapture and the Second Coming at roughly the same time, I offer this list of contrasts between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Each number in one section corresponds to the same number in the other/lower section. This is also a list that supports the Rapture happening before the Tribulation, and the Second Coming happening at the end of the Tribulation.





At the Rapture:
1. Christ comes FOR His own in the air
2. All believers are translated into new bodies
3. Christians are taken to the Father's House
4. There is no judgment on the earth
5. The Church will be in Heaven
6. It is an imminent occurrence
7. There are no signs preceding it
8. It affects believers only
9. It is a time of joy
10. it occurs before the day of Wrath
11. No mention of Satan
12. The Judgment Seat of Christ happens next
13. There is the marriage of the Lamb
14. Only Christ's own will see him
15. The Tribulation begins

At the Second Coming:
1. Christ comes WITH his own to the earth
2. No Translation of bodies
3. resurrected saints remain on earth
4. Christ judges the inhabitants of the earth
5. Christ sets up his kingdom on earth
6. It can not occur until the seven-year Trib period
7. There are numerous signs preceding it
8. It affects all humanity
9. It is a time of mourning
10. It occurs after the Tribulation
11. Satan is bound in abyss 1,000 years
12. No judgment seat of Christ
13. His bride descends with him to earth
14. Every eye will see him
15. The millennial reign of Christ begins

 

[KUWN]

What is your basis for saying that the power of the Beast is removed 1260 days after the AoD is setup ?

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The power of the beast is removed when Jesus returns. The beast (and the false prophet) will be cast into the lake of fire.

AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns, AoD removed, and the beast (and the false prophet) cast into the lake of fire.

The Lord returns to earth 1260 days after the AoD. Before the Millennium begins, there appears to be some clean up work needed since hundreds of millions of people will be dead. That is just a guess, but it is the case that Christ returns 1260 days after the AoD. The Millennium will start 75 days after the 1260. What happens between the 1260 and 1335 is anyone's guess.

 

[Douggg]

The Lord returns to earth 1260 days after the AoD.

What is your basis for saying the Lord returns to earth 1260 days after the AoD is setup ?

 

[A Watchman]

The sixth seal event reveals the Sign of the Son of man in heaven. Jesus's return down to earth does not take place until 45 days later.

Matthew 2430 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:24-27 – "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Luke 21:25-28 – "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Matthew 24:30 talks about the sign of the Son of man in heaven, but Mark and Luke just speak to seeing the Son of man coming in the clouds. These are all talking about the same time, but Matthew adds that sign of the Son of man because of what Yeshua said about not being deceived about a false messiah on the earth. Mark and Luke did not record the sign of His coming and so did not seem to separate the sign of His coming from His coming.

Matthew 24:26-27 – "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

The sign of the Son of man in heaven is the lightning coming from the east to the west that is tied to His coming. The sign and His coming are the same time.

The seventh seal was opened by Jesus back when John was in heaven. It revealed the end times event of the seven angels being given the seven trumpets.

All the seals were opened when John was seeing the vision in heaven. All the trumpets were blown and bowls poured out too. But the trumpets were blown in a sequence. Having the trumpets and using them are two different things. Stuff happens when they're blown, not when they're given. They're markers of events that will come to pass and are meant to give order to them.

My statement was about your chart placing the sixth seal toward the end of the week. It comes before the seventh seal at which time the seven angels are given the trumpets, but the trumpets are all blown before the end of the week and you're putting the trumpets before the seal that leads to them being given to the angels. It doesn't make sense of the logical framework given by the vision to John.

 

[A Watchman]

What is your basis for saying that the power of the Beast is removed 1260 days after the AoD is setup ?

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The power of the beast is removed when Jesus returns. The beast (and the false prophet) will be cast into the lake of fire.

AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns, AoD removed, and the beast (and the false prophet) cast into the lake of fire.

The basis for the removal of the power of the beast after 1,260 days is that is the length of his reign that is allowed.

Daniel 7:25 – "And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Daniel 12:7 – "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished."

Revelation 13:5-7 – "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

I agree, the power of the Beast is removed when Yeshua returns and they're cast into the lake of fire. That's the point I've been making. When does their power start?

Matthew 24:15, 21-22 – "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) ... For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Revelation 12:13 – "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child]."

Revelation 13:2-3 – "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

Daniel 11:45-12:1 – "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

You:
AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns

Me:
AoD setup................................1260 days...................................Jesus returns

 

[KUWN]

What is your basis for saying the Lord returns to earth 1260 days after the AoD is setup ?

The AoD happens at the halfway mark (3 1/2 years, 1260 days) in to the Tribulation. Christ returns 3 1/2 years later. The Second Coming can be calculated based on when the Covenant is signed by the Antichrist and the Jews.

Daniel 9.27 (In Daniel, the Hebrew word used for "weeks" is the same word for "sevens." So 70 sevens is 490 years. Christ dies after 483 sevens. That leaves 7 years to get to 490. This is why the Tribulation is 7 years, 483 plus 7 = 490.

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[Douggg]

You:
AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns

Me:
AoD setup................................1260 days...................................Jesus returns

Daniel 12:11-12 indicates that there will be 1290 days and 1335 days involved after the AoD is setup.

On your time line show those 1290 days and 1335 days.

AoD setup................................1260 days...................................Jesus returns

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On my time line...

AoD setup................................1335 days...................................Jesus returns
AoD setup................................1290 days............Sign of the son of man in heaven

 

[Douggg]

The AoD happens at the halfway mark (3 1/2 years, 1260 days) in to the Tribulation. Christ returns 3 1/2 years later. The Second Coming can be calculated based on when the Covenant is signed by the Antichrist and the Jews.

Daniel 9.27 (In Daniel, the Hebrew word used for "weeks" is the same word for "sevens." So 70 sevens is 490 years. Christ dies after 483 sevens. That leaves 7 years to get to 490. This is why the Tribulation is 7 years, 483 plus 7 = 490.

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When reading Daniel 9:27, it is in the midst (middle part), nor mid-point (day 1260), that the AoD begins.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. kjv

 

[KUWN]

Daniel 12:11-12 indicates that there will be 1290 days and 1335 days involved after the AoD is setup.

On your time line show those 1290 days and 1335 days.

AoD setup................................1260 days...................................Jesus returns

I am not following you here. But my numbers are correct. You say "Daniel 12:11-12 indicates that there will be 1290 days and 1335 days involved after the AoD is setup." That is correct. This is what I thought I said. Let me know if I goofed the numbers.

AoD setup...............................1260 days (return of Christ).....................1290 days...................1335 days (Millennial Reign of Christ starts)