Pictures of Christ 2 returns...

[CrowCross]

The church will still be here as the point of the tribulation is persecution of the church. Some of the church will commit Apostasy, which is a departure.

If that's what you need to believe...go for it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The description of the "return" of Christ are sooooooooo different you can't make them the same returns.

What are you talking about? There are different aspects to His one future return. Not every passage contains all the same details about His one future return. There are not multiple returns of Christ.

Then where does it occur? Why is it not presented AFTER the return?

The text doesn't say. All we know is that we will meet Him in the air. And it's not said to occur 7 years before His return or whatever you believe. The wife/bride isn't even ready for it until His return, as Revelation 19 indicates. You are not even looking at the text carefully.

Not really as the tribulation saints don't have resurrected bodies and will not take part in the Rev 19 marriage supper.

All believers from all-time will take part in the marriage supper. You are trying to divide what the blood of Christ brought together in one body. Unacceptable.

Where is the parallel verse that shows this prophecy being fulfilled?

What are you talking about? Do you accept what Jesus said or not? He said the hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected. He didn't say the hours (plural) are coming when all the dead will be resurrected. He spoke very plainly and I accept what He said.

 

[ewq1938]

If that's what you need to believe...go for it.

It comes from the bible. Pretrib does not.

 

[Dryhn]

Performance never has been and never will be a requirement for entering heaven. Salvation is by God's grace through faith and not by works. Period. When it talks about works in relation to salvation, it's talking about people doing works which reflect their faith and the fact that they belong to Jesus. It has nothing to do with anyone having to earn their way to heaven, which is impossible.

"Performance never has been and never will be a requirement for entering heaven."
Agreed & confirmed :-
1 Cor 15:1-4
Eph 1:13
Titus 3:5-7
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1

 

[A Watchman]

That particular chart/table of mine does not have the resurrection/rapture event on it. That particular char/table is of the end times events have time frames attached to them. Here is again.

Yes, thank you. I've saved all your charts already except this new one below I'll grab. Just saying in a thread about 2 pictures of Christ's return, if you believe he comes in 2 pictures that might be good to have on the chart you post about it. Not really that important though.

The two witnesses don't die between the second and third woe. What the second woe will be is revealed in Revelation 9.13-21. Speaking about the woes is then suspended (to resume in Revelation 11:14)....


Revelation 10 begins with John being given a little book to eat and begin to prophesy again. So fresh prophecies begin in Revelation 11 about the two witnesses and their activities that end in Revelation 11:13.

Then in Revelation 11:14, speaking about the woes resumes....

Revelation 11:11, 14 – "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. ... The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

I believe verse 14 being placed after their resurrection is placed there for a reason. The events following their resurrection, the earthquake and 1/10 of the city falling, and death of 7,000 men, is followed by a statement that at that point the second woe has already passed and the third woe is coming. I can understand how you read it the way you do, just a difference of how we take the words and their context.

What the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is revealed in Revelation 12:12, Satan cast down to earth resulting in him being angry knowing that his time is short (a time, times, half time).

Here is a chart of mine that covers everything I wrote above...

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I'm not sure how you interpret the third woe as Satan being cast down when we're told that the three woes are tied directly to the voices of the final three trumpet angels.

Revelation 8:13 – "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

The third woe is what follows verse 14.

Revelation 11:14-15 – "The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

 

[A Watchman]

Daniel will return with Jesus. So the 1335th day is the day that Jesus returns to this earth, to Jerusalem.

The AoD setup............................1335 days.............................................Jesus returns day

The AoD is the starting point of the Dragon's wrath on God's people beginning in Judea, it's the reason Yeshua warned those in Judea to flee to the mountains. It's the beginning of the Beast's overcoming the saints.

Daniel 7:25 – "And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Daniel 12:7 – "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished."

Revelation 13:5, 7 – "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. ... And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

He is only given this power for 1,260 days/42 months/3.5 times and we know what ends his reign and kingdom.

Revelation 19:20-21 – "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."

How can Yeshua come 1,335 days after the AoD when the power of the Beast is removed 1,260 days after it? What's the other 75 days after his reign ends before Yeshua returns? Will he just disband his kingdom 75 days before Yeshua returns and stop persecuting His people? What I see is the exact opposite, a defiant man of sin given power by the Dragon gathering armies to meet Yeshua in war at His coming. Foolish, but it's what the Bible says they do.