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Featured Pre-Trib Rapture is Dead!!!

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Rollo Tamasi, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    I hope it is understood that the Lord Jesus did not take any blood into heaven. who need redemption in heaven?

    his blood was shed here on the cross the altar on earth. the spirit returnes to God who gave it. this is who is coming back, and when spirit meet body, it's the same as when God first formed man from the dust. scripture, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    for the body without the spirit is DEAD. for the dead knows nothing, nor,
    Ps 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

    so as said, many confuse the first resurrection with the rapture.
     
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  2. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    I used to accept the "vultures" reading myself, but over time I realized it contradicts the context. The Luke passage starts with the Lord describing how His return will be like lightning that shines from East to West. He says the same thing in Matthew's gospel a few verses just shortly before discussing the same events in Matthew 24:37-41.

    Btw, the word "dead" here in the NIV is not in the Greek.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but you are one confused individual who really needs to study the Bible. No point responding to your posts at this time.
     
  4. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    Enoch111, sorry that the scriptures don't line up with what you believe.

    if you can show me scripture where it said that he rose with blood, I'll shut my mouth and be quite.
     
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  5. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Byrd, referring to scripture translations as "trannies" might be taking your shorthand just a little too far, but I digress.

    Here's the thing, watch what He follows the teaching with in Matthew 24:

    "37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

    The conjunction "but" connects these passages together, and mean those who are taken will be taken by the thief. The Thief here is Jesus, yes?
     
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  6. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Contradicts? Really?

    At Christ's second comingthe armies of the AC will be slaughtered.

    Revelation 19:17-18 New International Version (NIV)
    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

    Sound pretty dead with vultures to me.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    On this earth life resides in the blood.

    At the resurrection and in heaven and eternity life resides in the spirit.

    No blood.
     
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  8. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    I understand, but read my next post (#65).
     
  9. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    amen
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    It does not matter if the word death is used are not. The context is clear.

    That is why an interlinear bible and cross reference is essential.

    Just saying the word death as a problem creates the impression of rejecting the idea of death being said.

    Just saying be careful
     
  11. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    No, no. Forget that part. That's simply to show that "dead" is inferred from the analogy but does not necessitate that sense being presupposed in the literal application. I'm talking about the rest of the post. Respond to what I was saying about the full context of Matthew.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    OK.

    Matthew 24 is solidly pre-trib.
     
  13. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    LoL. Something tells me we're about to go round and round now, which I may excuse myself from, but the tribulation begins when the Antichrist breaks covenant, sets up the abomination of desolation, and then the Jews flee into the wilderness for their lives (Matthew 24:15-22). Jesus describes this as happening before His return in Matthew 24:27.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    While there are some differences, I get your point.
     
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    ah, unfort choice of words there maybe, sorry, "accepted" works just as well ok. I'm not even sure what premise that is, that needs "eagles" to be there instead of vultures? But imo i would get comfy with vultures in there, and let the premises take care of themselves, is what i meant.
     
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    ha well the parable is set up in such a way so as to lead a reader to believe so, yes, but imo no, Jesus is not the thief in the night

    i see i have wandered onto a rapture thread here, if you believe that you are going to be literally raptured as in miraculously removed from earth? then prolly just better if we agree to disagree, although i might suggest a look into Apollo/Mercury mythology, and we could compare them notes maybe
     
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    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    It's a peculiar use of an analogy. That I admit.
    You serious? In Revelation 16:15, He declares, "Behold, I come as a thief..." :confused:
     
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    Actually begins when he makes the covenant. At the end of the first 3 1/2 years he breaks it.

    Do not mistake great tribulation to mean all the tribulation.

    In example, all the seals are first three and half years.

    The AC revealed and rapture occur basically day one of the seven years.

    42 months equal 3 1/2 years.
    Time, times and half of time I3 and 1/2 years.
    1290 days is 3 1/2 years.

    3 1/2 years occur twice.

    That the 70th week of Daniel has seven years and of two 3 and ½ year periods. The AC breaks the covenant mid week and makes the treaty at the start of the week.

    The rapture is when Christ comes hidden in the clouds. The second coming the world sees him.
     
  19. Hidden In Him

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    Like I said, I could sense we were about to get off into other stuff. I'm not one for distinguishing the expressions "the tribulation and "the great tribulation" as two different events, and I don't believe any enmity will exist between the Jews and the Antichrist until after he breaks covenant with them, 3 1/2 years into it.

    But maybe we can get into all that stuff some other time maybe. Good discussion, though.
     
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    yes, i'm aware, but i have to suggest that that is a response to a certain perspective, namely to the many who will be deceived, not to those few who find the path? It's a dialectic statement that can be interpreted more than one way i guess, ppl who believe that Jesus is going to come and rapture them away to their new existence with Jesus tomorrow might likely experience "thief in the night" when they die and find themselves with Samuel and King Saul, see, and not in heaven with Jesus? Otherwise i mean why not take that all the way and say that you better not ever fall asleep or maybe you won't get Raptured when Jesus "returns?"

    i hope you can consider that i believed that for years, and would still love to believe it if i still could, ok
    but there is just too much other Scripture that has to be ignored for that to be true imo
     
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