Preterism's Claim Of 70AD Fulfillment Is Silenced In One Verse, Luke 21:35

[Truth7t7]

That's really weak, brother, and not worthy of discussing. Asserting things as "fact" simply because *you say so* isn't a discussion, nor a debate. It isn't really worthy any more than letting me know what you're going to believe "no matter what."

(Fact) Jesus Christ taught the 10 commandments and enforced them before your eyes

Matthew 19:17-19KJV
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Will you be great or least in the Kingdom?

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Question… Is the law still in effect per the verse?

No, the Law ended at the cross, where the covenant between God and Israel was violated by Israel. It was not just a little transgression--it was the crucifixion of the Son of God, their Messiah!

The Law, as a covenant, was completely terminated. And this was represented by the tearing of the veil of the temple, indicating that the condemnation of the Law can no longer prevent the saints from obtaining eternal life from God.

Are sinners without the law?

The Law of Moses was only for Israel, and not for any other nation of the world. Since the Law of Moses has now been abrogated even for Israel, no nation on earth is under the Law.

The testimony of the Law is distinct from the covenant of the Law. Even though the covenant of Law is now gone, the testimony of the Law to God's character and to His holiness remains.

All men, saints and sinners, have an obligation to obey God's word, having been made in God's image, after His likeness. Our conscience is designed to hear the truth, even though our rebelliousness and sin nature obscures that truth. God's Law is in our soul, and all men are therefore accountable to God's word.

The covenant of Law simply bore witness to this Law of God within all men, though it applied only to Israel. But the testimony of God's word and the history of Israel has been made available to the world as a testimony so that all can understand God's progressive plan more clearly.

He began with Israel to prepare for final atonement in Christ. And then this gospel would be preached to the world--not the Law of Moses but the eternal Law of God impressed upon the human conscience. By knowing God's word within we know how we should live. And hearing the gospel of Christ we know that we must fully accept him to be saved.

Is Joe Biden under the law or grace?

Biden claims to be a Christian through Catholicism. But he conveniently believes his political office allows him to accommodate all opinions even if his private opinion is different as a Christian. For example, he knows Catholics oppose abortion. But as President he feels free to pursue abortion on demand on behalf of all Americans, who feel differently than Catholics do.

Biden should be under grace. But I don't feel he truly lives it. He embraces parts of the "love" of the Gospel, but then lives an unsanctified life with pagan friends. And it shows in his political philosophy, which completely compromises Christian truth. It seems he even persecutes Evangelicals.

Are sinners in a lawless limbo since they are under neither Law nor Grace? What is the name of this limbo?

All men are subject to God's Law from the beginning, which requires us to live as people created in the likeness of God. This is *not* the Law of Moses, which provided, temporarily, an atonement that was less than adequate for obtaining eternal life.

To obtain eternal life, men need to hear the gospel of Christ, so that they can give up their own ways fully for the word of God. Only Christ was able to prepare us for that and obtain acceptance by God through him.

 

[Marty fox]

God had no interest in ethnic Jews or their temple practices in 70AD as you suggest

Animal sacrifice is no more evil than Jews adhering and practicing the evil Talmud or Kabbalah, while maintaining the spirit of Antichrist

You place it as an issue, to lay a false foundation in 70AD fulfillment in a temple destruction, and the claim of a judgement upon Jerusalem not seen in scripture

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is dedicated to the future literal second coming, and this didnt take place in 70AD as a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem as Preterist teach

So you don’t think that God judged Israel by destroying the city and the temple?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you don’t think that God judged Israel by destroying the city and the temple?

No more than God judges you when you get a flat tire on the road, or the bacon burns in the skillet

The temple destruction is nothing more than a false platform to claim 70AD fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Marty fox]

No more than God judges you when you get a flat tire on the road, or the bacon burns in the skillet

The temple destruction is nothing more than a fapse platform to claim 70AD fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Well God saw it a bit more than burning the bacon

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

Jesus clearly states that the reason that the temple and the city were destroyed was because of their rejection of Him

 

[GEN2REV]

Well, it’s about time you learn. The 10 Commandments have been done away. But only for the Saints. The 10 Commandments are still governing those that have not been born again of the watering of the Spirit.

Can't a saint sin, Truther? Yes, they can. What is sin? It is Lawlessness, the breaking of the Law of God; the breaking of the Commandments of God - the 10 Commandments.
1 John 3:4
The 10 Commandments will never be done away. God, in the OT AND in the NT, couldn't have been more clear on that. And all of the Apostles understood it and taught it.

No, the Law ended at the cross, ... The Law, as a covenant, was completely terminated. And this was represented by the tearing of the veil of the temple, indicating that the condemnation of the Law can no longer prevent the saints from obtaining eternal life from God.

Sinning prevents anybody from salvation. Period.

The breaking of the Commandments is the definition of sin.

The Law of Moses was only for Israel, ...

If you are referring to the 600+ Mosaic Jewish laws, you are correct. None of those laws were ever written in stone and they were all nailed to the cross because they were ceremonial laws that died with Christ's sacrifice.

... , no nation on earth is under the Law.

Under the Law, Over the Law, by the Law, through the Law, ..... Every man on earth is expected by God to obey His 10 Commandments that He so dramatically wrote, with His own finger, in Stone ... TWICE. He presented them ... to the world ... as His Eternal Way. There is no getting around it. If you live any other 'Way' ... you are living in sin and separated from God.

All men, saints and sinners, have an obligation to obey God's word, having been made in God's image, after His likeness. Our conscience is designed to hear the truth, even though our rebelliousness and sin nature obscures that truth. God's Law is in our soul, and all men are therefore accountable to God's word.

Agreed.

... By knowing God's word within we know how we should live. And hearing the gospel of Christ we know that we must fully accept him to be saved.

And accept His very specific 10 Commandments as His Way.

Jesus is The Way, and The Truth and The Life. God's Stone Commandments are The Way we are to live; it is exactly how Jesus lived and how all are expected to live who will be called brothers and sisters of Christ.

All men are subject to God's Law from the beginning, ... To obtain eternal life, men need to hear the gospel of Christ, so that they can give up their own ways fully for the word of God....

Agreed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well God saw it a bit more than burning the bacon

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

Jesus clearly states that the reason that the temple and the city were destroyed was because of their rejection of Him

Jesus didnt speak of a 70AD fulfillment that's your assumption, he spoke of a future fulfillment in the (Time Of The Gentiles) also seen in Revelation 11:2, with this being written in 95-96AD after the 70AD destruction

Yes Luke's & John's account of the same events at the temple, yes the temple being destroyed was the body of Jesus, and it was raised a new temple three days later, and his disciples remembered what he said

Marty you disregard the simple truth below before your eyes "Why"

Luke 19:43-46KJV
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

John 2:15-22KJV
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Randy Kluth]

No more than God judges you when you get a flat tire on the road, or the bacon burns in the skillet

The temple destruction is nothing more than a false platform to claim 70AD fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

That is a somewhat irresponsible statement. If nothing else, the Prophets of the Bible declared that negative things on earth happened to nations due to their bad behavior. So to deny this is unbiblical--in fact, it is anti-biblical!

On the other hand, Jesus warned us not to judge strictly by appearances. We sometimes assume that a negative experience happening to someone is due to divine judgment when there are other reasons for God to let negative things to happen to His people. We simply need to know the difference.

But your odd notion that the Olivet Discourse had only to do with the 2nd Coming, and nothing to do with the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem in 70 AD is purely ignorant. Many scholars in history fully recognize that when Jesus said, "Not one stone will remain on another," he was predicting the fall of the temple in 70 AD, in "this generation."

You may have another opinion, but you may not say that the destruction of the temple is not in the Olivet Discourse. Nor can you say that this position is not validated by historic commentaries.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is a somewhat irresponsible statement. If nothing else, the Prophets of the Bible declared that negative things on earth happened to nations due to their bad behavior. So to deny this is unbiblical--in fact, it is anti-biblical!

On the other hand, Jesus warned us not to judge strictly by appearances. We sometimes assume that a negative experience happening to someone is due to divine judgment when there are other reasons for God to let negative things to happen to His people. We simply need to know the difference.

But your odd notion that the Olivet Discourse had only to do with the 2nd Coming, and nothing to do with the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem in 70 AD is purely ignorant. Many scholars in history fully recognize that when Jesus said, "Not one stone will remain on another," he was predicting the fall of the temple in 70 AD, in "this generation."

You may have another opinion, but you may not say that the destruction of the temple is not in the Olivet Discourse. Nor can you say that this position is not validated by historic commentaries.

I'm fully aware of your Preterist claims, the events seen below are "Future" and haven't been fulfilled

(Future Events)
Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD
Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation
Matthew 24:30 The Secon Coming

To think Preterism teaches that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below in Matthew 24:30, but that it represents a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem, Real Big Smiles!

Pinocchio's nose grows real long when that claims made!

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus didnt speak of a 70AD fulfillment that's your assumption, he spoke of a future fulfillment in the (Time Of The Gentiles) also seen in Revelation 11:2, with this being written in 95-96AD after the 70AD destruction

Yes Luke's & John's account of the same events at the temple, yes the temple being destroyed was the body of Jesus, and it was raised a new temple three days later, and his disciples remembered what he said

Marty you disregard the simple truth below before your eyes "Why"

Luke 19:43-46KJV
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

John 2:15-22KJV
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

How can you say that? Unless you didn’t read it again.

Jesus predicted judgement on the ones who didn’t recognize the time of His coming to them they were His actual words how arrogant of you to say that. Also history tells us that it happened to the generation that rejected Him. The stones not remaining on another ties directly to the stones not remaining on another in Matthew 24 right after Jesus told the Jews that their house will be left to them desolate in Matthew 23

Heres more proof of why the city and temple would be destroyed

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

And another

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

 

[Marty fox]

I'm fully aware of your Preterist claims, the events seen below are "Future" and haven't been fulfilled

(Future Events)
Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD
Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation
Matthew 24:30 The Secon Coming

To think Preterism teaches that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below in Matthew 24:30, but that it represents a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem, Real Big Smiles!

Pinocchio's nose grows real long when that claims made!

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Do you notice where the sign of the son of man is? It’s in heaven not on earth

And when was Jesus the son of man seen coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Notice which direction Jesus was going to? To heaven not to the earth

Jesus also claimed this before the Pharisees


63 But Jesus remained silent.

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses

They would of known that Jesus was the son of man when the city and temple was destroyed when He said it would be destroyed within that generation


33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Think of when Jesus ties himself to the scriptures

 

[Truth7t7]

How can you say that? Unless you didn’t read it again.

Jesus predicted judgement on the ones who didn’t recognize the time of His coming to them they were His actual words how arrogant of you to say that. Also history tells us that it happened to the generation that rejected Him. The stones not remaining on another ties directly to the stones not remaining on another in Matthew 24 right after Jesus told the Jews that their house will be left to them desolate in Matthew 23

Heres more proof of why the city and temple would be destroyed

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

And another

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

We Will Disagree,The Temple To BeDestroyedWas His Body, Not A Literal Temple Of Stone In Jerusalem,You And The Pharisee Have Alot In Common, They Also Believed In A Literal Temple 46 Years To Build

Jesus didnt speak of a 70AD fulfillment that's your assumption, he spoke of a future fulfillment in the (Time Of The Gentiles) also seen in Revelation 11:2, with this being written in 95-96AD after the 70AD destruction

Yes Luke's & John's account of the same events at the temple, yes the temple being destroyed was the body of Jesus, and it was raised a new temple three days later, and his disciples remembered what he said

Marty you disregard the simple truth below before your eyes "Why"

Luke 19:43-46KJV
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

John 2:15-22KJV
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you notice where the sign of the son of man is? It’s in heaven not on earth

And when was Jesus the son of man seen coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Notice which direction Jesus was going to? To heaven not to the earth

Jesus also claimed this before the Pharisees


63 But Jesus remained silent.

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses

They would of known that Jesus was the son of man when the city and temple was destroyed when He said it would be destroyed within that generation


33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Think of when Jesus ties himself to the scriptures

Sorry Marty, I Lifted The Hood And Your Car For Sale Dosent Have An Engine

To think Preterism teaches that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below in Matthew 24:30, but that it represents a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem, Real Big Smiles!

Pinocchio's nose grows real long when that claims made!

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Marty fox]

We Will Disagree,The Temple To BeDestroyedWas His Body, Not A Literal Temple Of Stone In Jerusalem,You And The Pharisee Have Alot In Common, They Also Believed In A Literal Temple 46 Years To Build

Jesus didnt speak of a 70AD fulfillment that's your assumption, he spoke of a future fulfillment in the (Time Of The Gentiles) also seen in Revelation 11:2, with this being written in 95-96AD after the 70AD destruction

Yes Luke's & John's account of the same events at the temple, yes the temple being destroyed was the body of Jesus, and it was raised a new temple three days later, and his disciples remembered what he said

Marty you disregard the simple truth below before your eyes "Why"

Luke 19:43-46KJV
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

John 2:15-22KJV
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Okay read this twice

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

About 40 years after Jesus said this Jerusalem was decimated by the Romans. The ones Jesus spoke to rejected and killed Him and Jesus said that was the reason that the city would be destroyed.

Now if you can’t swallow your pride and admit you are wrong here (as we all are sometimes) then I can’t debate with you anymore there’s no logic to you

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay read this twice

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

About 40 years after Jesus said this Jerusalem was decimated by the Romans. The ones Jesus spoke to rejected and killed Him and Jesus said that was the reason that the city would be destroyed.

Now if you can’t swallow your pride and admit you are wrong here (as we all are sometimes) then I can’t debate with you anymore because you would then sound more like a troll who comes on Christian sites to divide and confuse people. I am not saying that you are but it’s the only thing that would make sense to me as these people do exist

Yes Marty you call myself a "Troll" sad, Jesus Christ Is My Lord And Savior, and Preterism in 70AD fulfillment is the "Troll"

Marty it's you who openly denies the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 Below, and this isnt a symbolic Judgement on Jerusalem

To think Preterism teaches that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below in Matthew 24:30, but that it represents a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem, Real Big Smiles!

Pinocchio's nose grows real long when that claims made!

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes Marty you call myself a "Troll" sad, Jesus Christ Is My Lord And Savior, and Preterism in 70AD fulfillment is the "Troll"

Marty it's you who openly denies the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 Below, and this isnt a symbolic Judgement on Jerusalem

To think Preterism teaches that the literal second coming of Jesus Christ isnt seen below in Matthew 24:30, but that it represents a symbolic Judgement upon Jerusalem, Real Big Smiles!

Pinocchio's nose grows real long when that claims made!

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I didn’t call you a troll I actually said that Im not saying that you are one I said that you sound like one because there’s no logic to your answers and these people do come onto sites like this. I also did edit it and apologize if I offended you but you just really confuse me and it’s all that I can think as there’s no logic to some of your post

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay read this twice

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

About 40 years after Jesus said this Jerusalem was decimated by the Romans. The ones Jesus spoke to rejected and killed Him and Jesus said that was the reason that the city would be destroyed.

Now if you can’t swallow your pride and admit you are wrong here (as we all are sometimes) then I can’t debate with you anymore there’s no logic to you

Marty the fulfilling of the gentiles in Jerusalem is "Future" and wasn't fulfilled in 70AD, as Revelation 11:2 shows, yes the book of Revelation was written in 95-96AD, some 25 years after the Roman destruction

Yes Marty it's your belief and teaching that removes the "Future" (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11:2-15, they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, they have literal bodies that die, and lay in a literal street in a literal Jerusalem, as a literal world watches making merry

Revelation 11:2-15KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

Okay read this twice

Luke 19:41-44
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

About 40 years after Jesus said this Jerusalem was decimated by the Romans. The ones Jesus spoke to rejected and killed Him and Jesus said that was the reason that the city would be destroyed.

Now if you can’t swallow your pride and admit you are wrong here (as we all are sometimes) then I can’t debate with you anymore there’s no logic to you

Of course you "Falsely" called me a "Troll", and a person that "Divides" and "Confuses", and yes you changed your original post in #314 for the coverup

Marty it's my opinion that your looking into a mirror of your very own accusations

Jesus Is The Lord

Quote Marty Fox Original Post, Before Changes #314

you would then sound more like a troll who comes on Christian sites to divide and confuse people. I am not saying that you are but it’s the only thing that would make sense to me as these people do exist

 

[Marty fox]

Of course you "Falsely" called me a "Troll", and a person that "Divides" and "Confuses", and yes you changed your original post in #314 for the coverup

Marty it's my opinion that your looking into a mirror of your very own accusations

Jesus Is The Lord

Quote Marty Fox Original Post, Before Changes #314

you would then sound more like a troll who comes on Christian sites to divide and confuse people. I am not saying that you are but it’s the only thing that would make sense to me as these people do exist

Did you see post #316?

 

[Truth7t7]

Did you see post #316?

Marty you have 7 times in a 24 hour period

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Luke 17:3-4KJV
3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.