Pseudo Messiah

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Veteran said,

Based on what your Church is teaching about the end times, I strongly suggest each believer to weigh this matter today, and compare how your Church is covering this future event. Are they teaching something else instead that gets your mind away... from our Lord's warning about this particular pseudo Christ that is to come?

It's time for us to question what we've all been taught.

[sup]Some interesting facts.
Islam has always converted by the sword. Rome has but no longer does.
Islamic prophecy is similar to and the counterfeit of biblical eschatology.
Islam's goal is world domination by demographics and terrorism.
Mecca has 10 spires and 7 entrances.
The koran 6,666 verses.
Appolyon and Abbaddon mean destroyer, Saddam and one of Muhammed's names does also.
The colors of the four horsemen are the same colors as most Arab/Muslim flags.
The Mid-East in now in a state of apostasy.
Christian's really need to reconsider the RRE

The RRE theory developed because of Rome's past atrocities and the Protestant prejudices that resulted. Most atrociteis we're not commited by papal Rome and no longer persecutes people today. The idea that the pope will someday miraculously unite the worlds religions and become "the false prophet" is a theory in decline and Rome has actually been declining in power for about 600 years. It's not the pope, cardinal's, bishop's, priest's, altar boys or Catholic's flying jet liners into buildings, or cutting peoples heads off and placing them on a card table in the middle of the street. Or blowing themselves up in a market place where the head of the jihadist lands in the middle of a school yard in front of children. Or strapping explosives to two disabled Muslim women and sending them into a pet store with bird cages and then detonate them remotely. Have we forgotten that it's muslim's who have raped and murdered millions and burned thousands of churches and villages in Sudan and Northern Africa? Maybe a list of terror attacks over the last 100 years would help people understand that Rome is no longer involved in commiting these attrocities called the abominations of the earth. Islam will continue to step up their goal of world domination by abominations. One version of the bible calls Islam an object of horor as I believe it is the prophecied evil religion of the end. When terrorism and war lead us into tribulation and there's no rapture to remove the pretribers, no world dictator or global government, no unified one world religion, and no peace treaty with Israel... several of the big shot prophecy experts will likely remain in denial and still point the finger at Rome. Will they manufacturing even more stuff to uphold their failed theory?

Rome is not the threat some Protestant's mistakenly make it out to be. In fact it's not a threat at all!
From Gates of Vienna News Feed
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Take Back the Culture by Baron Bodissey

At the beginning of the 20th century there were an estimated 4.5 million Christians in what is now Turkey, most of them Greek. In 1979 the Greek Orthodox population in Turkey was thought to be no more than 7,000, and is now down to about 2,000.
Where did all those Greeks go? Demetrios didn’t just turn to Sofia one day and say, "Darling, let’s load all our worldly goods onto the donkey cart and we’ll move to Athens or Thessalonica." It’s not like Smyrna was proselytized by gentle imams who were so persuasive that the entire Greek population converted to Islam, gave up their Greek surnames, and took on Turkish ones instead.
No, Asia Minor was cleared of Greeks and Armenians in the traditional manner, by blood and fire, by the sword and the bullet, by rapine and looting and unimaginable slaughter. But this didn’t happen in 670, or 1084, or 1453, or 1683. It was in 1922, in the recently departed 20th century. It was the Rwanda and Darfur of the 1920s, and it occurred within living memory. Or it would be living, if the memory of it hadn’t been dumped down the oubliette along with all the other inconvenient facts that the bien-pensants would rather not think about.
Revelation 17:5 should read...
[/sup]Islam, Babylon the Great, Mother of Jihadist and Abominations of the Earth.

 

[veteran]

It's time for us to question what we've all been taught.

[sup]Some interesting facts.
Islam has always converted by the sword. Rome has but no longer does.
Islamic prophecy is similar to and the counterfeit of biblical eschatology.
Islam's goal is world domination by demographics and terrorism.
Mecca has 10 spires and 7 entrances.
The koran 6,666 verses.
Appolyon and Abbaddon mean destroyer, Saddam and one of Muhammed's names does also.
The colors of the four horsemen are the same colors as most Arab/Muslim flags.
The Mid-East in now in a state of apostasy.
Christian's really need to reconsider the RRE

The RRE theory developed because of Rome's past atrocities and the Protestant prejudices that resulted. Most atrociteis we're not commited by papal Rome and no longer persecutes people today. The idea that the pope will someday miraculously unite the worlds religions and become "the false prophet" is a theory in decline and Rome has actually been declining in power for about 600 years. It's not the pope, cardinal's, bishop's, priest's, altar boys or Catholic's flying jet liners into buildings, or cutting peoples heads off and placing them on a card table in the middle of the street. Or blowing themselves up in a market place where the head of the jihadist lands in the middle of a school yard in front of children. Or strapping explosives to two disabled Muslim women and sending them into a pet store with bird cages and then detonate them remotely. Have we forgotten that it's muslim's who have raped and murdered millions and burned thousands of churches and villages in Sudan and Northern Africa? Maybe a list of terror attacks over the last 100 years would help people understand that Rome is no longer involved in commiting these attrocities called the abominations of the earth. Islam will continue to step up their goal of world domination by abominations. One version of the bible calls Islam an object of horor as I believe it is the prophecied evil religion of the end. When terrorism and war lead us into tribulation and there's no rapture to remove the pretribers, no world dictator or global government, no unified one world religion, and no peace treaty with Israel... several of the big shot prophecy experts will likely remain in denial and still point the finger at Rome. Will they manufacturing even more stuff to uphold their failed theory?

Rome is not the threat some Protestant's mistakenly make it out to be. In fact it's not a threat at all!
From Gates of Vienna News Feed
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Take Back the Culture by Baron Bodissey

At the beginning of the 20th century there were an estimated 4.5 million Christians in what is now Turkey, most of them Greek. In 1979 the Greek Orthodox population in Turkey was thought to be no more than 7,000, and is now down to about 2,000.
Where did all those Greeks go? Demetrios didn’t just turn to Sofia one day and say, "Darling, let’s load all our worldly goods onto the donkey cart and we’ll move to Athens or Thessalonica." It’s not like Smyrna was proselytized by gentle imams who were so persuasive that the entire Greek population converted to Islam, gave up their Greek surnames, and took on Turkish ones instead.
No, Asia Minor was cleared of Greeks and Armenians in the traditional manner, by blood and fire, by the sword and the bullet, by rapine and looting and unimaginable slaughter. But this didn’t happen in 670, or 1084, or 1453, or 1683. It was in 1922, in the recently departed 20th century. It was the Rwanda and Darfur of the 1920s, and it occurred within living memory. Or it would be living, if the memory of it hadn’t been dumped down the oubliette along with all the other inconvenient facts that the bien-pensants would rather not think about.
Revelation 17:5 should read...
[/sup]Islam, Babylon the Great, Mother of Jihadist and Abominations of the Earth.

My meaning was that we EACH need to get into God's Holy Writ for ourselves, and stay with IT and not men's traditions.

God's Word teaches an endtime Babylon, and it's both spiritual and literal with a real kingdom structure on earth prior to Christ's return. Jerusalem is where its world headquarters will be setup, which is what Rev.11-18 is pointing to.

Islam is not the coming pseudo messiah, for God's Word shows the false one coming will be a specific entity, a singular person working great signs and wonders on earth just prior to Christ's second coming.

In Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Revelation, our Lord Jesus gave us 7 signs to be watching of events in the last days leading up to His return and our gathering to Him. Those 7 signs are about the last generation on earth still living in the days of His coming. So scatch the old histories from that, as those old histories only serve as blueprints or ensamples now for what is coming.

Will the coming pseudo messiah be Islam's expected Mahdi? Maybe. We don't know yet. But we do know whoever it will be, that false one will work miracles on this earth that will fool the majority into accepting him as God. The majority will willingly accept the mark of the beast when that false one comes. The question then is, who will remain faithful to Christ Jesus instead of bowing to that coming false messiah? Will Christ find faith on the earth when He returns?

 

[hereister]

My meaning was that we EACH need to get into God's Holy Writ for ourselves, and stay with IT and not men's traditions.

God's Word teaches an endtime Babylon, and it's both spiritual and literal with a real kingdom structure on earth prior to Christ's return. Jerusalem is where its world headquarters will be setup, which is what Rev.11-18 is pointing to.

Islam is not the coming pseudo messiah, for God's Word shows the false one coming will be a specific entity, a singular person working great signs and wonders on earth just prior to Christ's second coming.

In Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Revelation, our Lord Jesus gave us 7 signs to be watching of events in the last days leading up to His return and our gathering to Him. Those 7 signs are about the last generation on earth still living in the days of His coming. So scatch the old histories from that, as those old histories only serve as blueprints or ensamples now for what is coming.

Will the coming pseudo messiah be Islam's expected Mahdi? Maybe. We don't know yet. But we do know whoever it will be, that false one will work miracles on this earth that will fool the majority into accepting him as God. The majority will willingly accept the mark of the beast when that false one comes. The question then is, who will remain faithful to Christ Jesus instead of bowing to that coming false messiah? Will Christ find faith on the earth when He returns?

I agree Veteran. Satan will be everything to everyone. He will be the Islam's Messiah, Christian's Messiah, he'll be buddah...or any other religious messiah out there. Satan is out to deceive the whole world and with all the confusion there is, it won't be difficult. How many times have people said, well, their God has a different name, but it's all the same God.

Many will be ashamed when the true Christ returns, that's if they're still worshipping satan as the true Christ.

 

[revturmoil]

My meaning was that we EACH need to get into God's Holy Writ for ourselves, and stay with IT and not men's traditions.

God's Word teaches an endtime Babylon, and it's both spiritual and literal with a real kingdom structure on earth prior to Christ's return. Jerusalem is where its world headquarters will be setup, which is what Rev.11-18 is pointing to.

Islam is not the coming pseudo messiah, for God's Word shows the false one coming will be a specific entity, a singular person working great signs and wonders on earth just prior to Christ's second coming.

In Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Revelation, our Lord Jesus gave us 7 signs to be watching of events in the last days leading up to His return and our gathering to Him. Those 7 signs are about the last generation on earth still living in the days of His coming. So scatch the old histories from that, as those old histories only serve as blueprints or ensamples now for what is coming.

Will the coming pseudo messiah be Islam's expected Mahdi? Maybe. We don't know yet. But we do know whoever it will be, that false one will work miracles on this earth that will fool the majority into accepting him as God. The majority will willingly accept the mark of the beast when that false one comes. The question then is, who will remain faithful to Christ Jesus instead of bowing to that coming false messiah? Will Christ find faith on the earth when He returns?

I think the Mahdi is the false prophet and the dajjal who is Islam's anti-christ is the biblical man of sin.

The big question is...

What makes you or anybody assume that the kingdom of the man of sin is global with a one world government. And what makes you think the mark of the beast is worldwide?

I see them both limited to ten nations.

 

[veteran]

I think the Mahdi is the false prophet and the dajjal who is Islam's anti-christ is the biblical man of sin.

The big question is...

What makes you or anybody assume that the kingdom of the man of sin is global with a one world government. And what makes you think the mark of the beast is worldwide?

I see them both limited to ten nations.

This for one...

Rev 3:10-12
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him My new name.
(KJV)

Many other Scriptures also, which really are pretty difficult to miss...

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(KJV)

That Rev.17:15 verse reveals the composition of the first beast of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the "sea". That's what those "waters" is pointing to. Then in Rev.13:2, we're given symbols for old beast kingdoms like the ones in the Book of Daniel. Daniel was shown a final beast kingdom in the last days setup on the earth in the days of Christ's second coming. It's to include ALL the previous beast kingdom examples that came prior to it. It's about the feet with part iron and part clay, a 5th beast kingdom that many miss from Daniel.

Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(KJV)

John saw just certain nations wonder after the beast? No, he saw "all the world" wondering after the beast, marveling at it.


Rev 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
(KJV)

The dragon having power just over certain nations? No, over ALL kindreds, tongues, and nations.


Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

The ONLY ONES that will not fall away to worship that dragon beast will be those who remain faithful to Christ Jesus.



Rev 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(KJV)

That's very specific. It's showing those kings of the earth will be in power over the whole world, not just a few nations.

Those are only a few Bible Scriptures which point to a final beast kingdom that will cover the whole earth in the days of Christ's return. The ten horns (ten kings), seven heads, and ten crowns of Rev.13:1 is not a new idea for this world. In Rev.12:3-4 we're shown a beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns that existed when Satan first rebelled against God, drawing a third of the stars to earth with his tail.

As for the terms "one world government", and "New World Order", those terms are not mine. They have been proclaimed by globalists for quite some time now in their political speeches. President Woodrow Wilson used the term "New World Order" in his inauguration speech in the early 1900's. Foster Dulles remarked that the way to a "one world government" was by an end-around our U.S. Constitution with treaty-making powers. Some very prominent statesmen of history have proclaimed those terms and their support for a one world government.

 

[veteran]

I recognize not all my Christian brethren are given the urge and propensity to dig into the political writings of some of the below mentioned works of which the media has pretty much remained silent. Most have never heard of Fabian socialists in Britain, nor what the Rhodes Scholarship programs are really about. Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley (see one of his quotes below) covered the history of the British Rhodes program from the servants of Cecil B. Rhodes in his book Tragedy And Hope (1966?). The Rhodes scholar program is for training political leaders in the ways to one world government. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, sent to study at Oxford.


Here's a few quotes of interest about the one world government idea:

"Some even believe we are a part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller from his book, David Rockefeller: Memoirs.

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." - James Warburg (Rothschild Banking Agent 1950)

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established." - Carroll Quigley, Professor of History Georgetown University, in Tragedy And Hope

"The interests behind the Bush administration, such as the CFR, the Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberg Group have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years." - Dr. Johannes Koeppl (Former official of the German Ministry for Defence and advisor to NATO)

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is dedicated to one-world government, financed by a number of the largest tax exempt foundation (i.e. Rockefeller), and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education, and mass communication media, that it should be familiar to every American concerned with good government and with preserving and defending the US Constitution and our free-enterprise system. Yet, the nation's right-to-know machinery, the news media; usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain silent when it comes to the CFR, its members and their activities. The CFR is the establishment. Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the US from a sovereign Republic into a servile member of a one-world dictatorship." - Congressman John R. Rarick

"I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Government, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!" - Congressman Ron Paul at an event near Austin, Texas on August 30th, 2003

"What is being arranged in Washington these days is really a gigantic experiment in internationalism. We are witnessing the creation of a supranational control of the world's necessities. The old notions of sovereignty no longer govern the facts. We have entered upon another phase of political unification, a phase greater in its methods to the formation of national states in the nineteenth century. This is the birth of the League of Nations." - Walter Lippman (American writer, journalist, and political commentator.), April 1917

"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow, they will be grateful! This would especially be true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by a World Government." - Henry Kissinger, Bilderburg Conference, Evians, France 1991

"The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts." - Henry Ford, Industry Giant

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government." "The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, Trilateral Commission Founder.

"The One-World government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve bank." - Curtis Dall, FDR's Son-in-law, in FDR: My Exploited Father-in-law

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." - Strobe Talbott, Former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State 1992

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as words and money." - Arthur Schlesinger, U.S. Historian 1995 "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas." - G. Brock Chisholm, co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health, former director of UN World Health Organization "Big Brother in the form of an increasingly powerful government and in an increasingly powerful private sector will pile the records high with reasons why privacy should give way to national security, to law and order, to efficiency of operation, to scientific advancement and the like." - William O. Douglas 1898-1980), U. S. Supreme Court Justice



That internationalist movement towards a one world government over all nations on earth is right in line with Bible prophecy in God's Word that I covered in my previous post.

 

[revturmoil]

This for one...

Rev 3:10-12
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

The word all in rev.3:10 is 'holos' which means all, whole, completely. That's because the hour of temptation is the tribulation. The tribulation will be worldwide. The hour of trial isn't the same as the anti-christ kindom.

Many other Scriptures also, which really are pretty difficult to miss...

You'll miss them all the time if you don't realize that out of the 130 words or so for all it's used 6-7 different ways. When coupled with words like earth, world, and ground, nations, tribes, etc it must be understood by word studies. Please try to see the diffence when I explain it.

That Rev.17:15 verse reveals the composition of the first beast of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the "sea". That's what those "waters" is pointing to. Then in Rev.13:2, we're given symbols for old beast kingdoms like the ones in the Book of Daniel. Daniel was shown a final beast kingdom in the last days setup on the earth in the days of Christ's second coming. It's to include ALL the previous beast kingdom examples that came prior to it. It's about the feet with part iron and part clay, a 5th beast kingdom that many miss from Daniel.

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

This verse only implies that the harlot (Islam) occupies many people etc. Not that any kingdom is worldwide.

The word waters isn't sea. But that doesn't matter because the Mid-East has several seas. The implication could be worldwide because the whore, who I believe is symbolic of Islam and the jihadist who are scattered across the world. And it could be the Mid-East because Islam was born there and is the regions religion. The word all isn't used in Rev 17:15. There's no reason to assume Rev, 17:15 be worldwide other than for Islam and jihad.

The sea in Rev. 13:1 is often specific of the Mediterannean. http://www.bluelette...ngs=G2281&t=KJV

Revelation 13:1 　¶And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

This is what I think this verse say's.

The beast comes from around the Medierannean that means it's around Israel and today's Arab World. Seven heads (kings) and that's not global. There are ten countries (horns) so three countries are king-less. All ten countries have crowns. All ten are Islamic. According to Smith's Bible dictionary crowns developed into turbans. Strong's also mentions the turbans. Upon his heads the names of blasphemy. That's because being Islamic they are supporting the harlot who sits upon the beast and the jihadist fill her cup. Islam sits upon or "OCCUPIES" the beast. Blasphemy is attributed to both.

Revelation 17:3 　So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G1238&t=KJV
Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(KJV)

John saw just certain nations wonder after the beast? No, he saw "all the world" wondering after the beast, marveling at it.

This verse insn't saying anything about the beast kingdom being worldwide. I believe I already explained that the entire world will wonder about the beast. Say for example I believe Saddam Hussein will return as the wounded beast and set up a ten nation Mid-East empire. Well if you see Saddam return and do this the entire world will wonder after the beast! The verse doesn't imply a global dictator. It only implies that the entire world will wonder (be astonished) when they see the beast that was, and is not and yet is. And that's why the word "holos" meaning all, whole, completely is used.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G3650&t=KJV

Rev 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
(KJV)

The dragon having power just over certain nations? No, over ALL kindreds, tongues, and nations.

The word all "pas" in verse 7 isn't the same word as the word all "holos" in verse 3.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G3956&t=KJV

The word "pas" means individually and it has an all different meaning and it's meaning is often misunderstood and pertains only to the thing mentioned. The word "pas" isn't saying that all kindreds, and tongues, and nations of the world are subject to him. It only implies those within his power and kingdom are. A kindred is a tribe. That's definetly Arab. And this word for nations doesn't mean countries.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G1484&t=KJV

When studied out only some of this is worldwide.

Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

The ONLY ONES that will not fall away to worship that dragon beast will be those who remain faithful to Christ Jesus.

The word all here in Rev. 13:8 is "pas" or "individually". Not 'holos" or "all". This again means only those individuals that dwell within his kingdom...not the entire world will worship him. For the enire word to be implied, John would have used the word "holos" (all) instead.

Rev 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(KJV)

That's very specific. It's showing those kings of the earth will be in power over the whole world, not just a few nations.

That's because the word is "holos" and it means ALL!. Where do you see this verse imply a global kingdom? It just say's that three unclean spirits went forth into the kings of the earth and the whole world. That's because the false prophet of Islam and his demonic kronies called three unclean spirits seem to be demons working on their behalf. This isn't talking about the anti-christ kingdom.

 

[veteran]

The word all in rev.3:10 is 'holos' which means all, whole, completely. That's because the hour of temptation is the tribulation. The tribulation will be worldwide. The hour of trial isn't the same as the anti-christ kindom.



You'll miss them all the time if you don't realize that out of the 130 words or so for all it's used 6-7 different ways. When coupled with words like earth, world, and ground, nations, tribes, etc it must be understood by word studies. Please try to see the diffence when I explain it.



This verse only implies that the harlot (Islam) occupies many people etc. Not that any kingdom is worldwide.

The word waters isn't sea. But that doesn't matter because the Mid-East has several seas. The implication could be worldwide because the whore, who I believe is symbolic of Islam and the jihadist who are scattered across the world. And it could be the Mid-East because Islam was born there and is the regions religion. The word all isn't used in Rev 17:15. There's no reason to assume Rev, 17:15 be worldwide other than for Islam and jihad.

The sea in Rev. 13:1 is often specific of the Mediterannean. http://www.bluelette...ngs=G2281&t=KJV

Revelation 13:1 　¶And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

This is what I think this verse say's.

The beast comes from around the Medierannean that means it's around Israel and today's Arab World. Seven heads (kings) and that's not global. There are ten countries (horns) so three countries are king-less. All ten countries have crowns. All ten are Islamic. According to Smith's Bible dictionary crowns developed into turbans. Strong's also mentions the turbans. Upon his heads the names of blasphemy. That's because being Islamic they are supporting the harlot who sits upon the beast and the jihadist fill her cup. Islam sits upon or "OCCUPIES" the beast. Blasphemy is attributed to both.

Revelation 17:3 　So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G1238&t=KJV
Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(KJV)



This verse insn't saying anything about the beast kingdom being worldwide. I believe I already explained that the entire world will wonder about the beast. Say for example I believe Saddam Hussein will return as the wounded beast and set up a ten nation Mid-East empire. Well if you see Saddam return and do this the entire world will wonder after the beast! The verse doesn't imply a global dictator. It only implies that the entire world will wonder (be astonished) when they see the beast that was, and is not and yet is. And that's why the word "holos" meaning all, whole, completely is used.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G3650&t=KJV



The word all "pas" in verse 7 isn't the same word as the word all "holos" in verse 3.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G3956&t=KJV

The word "pas" means individually and it has an all different meaning and it's meaning is often misunderstood and pertains only to the thing mentioned. The word "pas" isn't saying that all kindreds, and tongues, and nations of the world are subject to him. It only implies those within his power and kingdom are. A kindred is a tribe. That's definetly Arab. And this word for nations doesn't mean countries.

http://www.bluelette...ngs=G1484&t=KJV

When studied out only some of this is worldwide.




The word all here in Rev. 13:8 is "pas" or "individually". Not 'holos" or "all". This again means only those individuals that dwell within his kingdom...not the entire world will worship him. For the enire word to be implied, John would have used the word "holos" (all) instead.



That's because the word is "holos" and it means ALL!. Where do you see this verse imply a global kingdom? It just say's that three unclean spirits went forth into the kings of the earth and the whole world. That's because the false prophet of Islam and his demonic kronies called three unclean spirits seem to be demons working on their behalf. This isn't talking about the anti-christ kingdom.

Blind leaders of the blind!

 

[revturmoil]

Blind leaders of the blind!

That's the second time today you reply with derogatory comments. That's typical of people who are backed into a corner and can't refute what I say! I take it you've backed out of this and the other thread because...you just can't refute what I say!

 

[veteran]

God has definitely blinded some away from the coming false messiah event that our Lord Jesus, His Apostles, and prophets all foretold. Likewise those have been blinded to how that event involves Jerusalem as ground zero for false worship of that fake messiah in relation to all other nations on earth.

Christ is not returning to Mecca to pour out His cup of wrath, He's coming to the area of Jerusalem and the holy land to do that, as written in Zechariah 14, and in Revelation, and in the OT prophets. The Bible witnesses to that are multitude.

You're just another one who's been listening to the blind Pharisees who want to keep people's attention off their intent to build another temple in Jerusalem for the last days, and to institute 'their' false king of the world in it, in place of Christ.

If you're truly a Christian believer, then understand that coming false messiah is NOT supposed to trick those of us who stand in Christ, but that false one is especially prepared for the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem and in the world, and all those who refuse Christ Jesus among all nations.

The Revelation 'beast' will be a global beast system, covering all nations. And the dragon will take over its power over all nations and peoples, as written...

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

The Greek word 'pas' for "all" means 'the whole, every, all types' (Strong's no. 3956).

 

[revturmoil]

God has definitely blinded some away from the coming false messiah event that our Lord Jesus, His Apostles, and prophets all foretold. Likewise those have been blinded to how that event involves Jerusalem as ground zero for false worship of that fake messiah in relation to all other nations on earth.

You're saying that to build yourself up because you've been shot down. Nobody is blind but one of us is misled, deceived, and in denial. And we'll let every individual reader determine that.

Christ is not returning to Mecca to pour out His cup of wrath, He's coming to the area of Jerusalem and the holy land to do that, as written in Zechariah 14, and in Revelation, and in the OT prophets. The Bible witnesses to that are multitude.

You're the only one saying anything about Christ returning to Mecca. Try to get thing right without injecting something nobody said except you.

You're just another one who's been listening to the blind Pharisees who want to keep people's attention off their intent to build another temple in Jerusalem for the last days, and to institute 'their' false king of the world in it, in place of Christ.

I'm not listening to anybody. In fact many of the things you see on the net and in books about Islam are things that I've been saying for about 10 years. I've seen some things people wrote that I know came from me because it was to the t what and how I wrote it. But I don't care. Nothing is copyrite and the word needs to get out regardless of how much deception and denial that exist among Christian's.

If you're truly a Christian believer, then understand that coming false messiah is NOT supposed to trick those of us who stand in Christ, but that false one is especially prepared for the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem and in the world, and all those who refuse Christ Jesus among all nations.

I don't know what makes you think I said anything about the man of sin tricking anybody. And I'm not in total opposition to your quote that, "the false one is especially prepared for the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem and in the world, and all those who refuse Christ Jesus among all nations." I can quote a verse to support the Assyrian as being used by God for Israel's unbelief. I'm not sure I can quote one that the man of sin is prepared for all unbelievers other than for the followers of the beast. Maybe you should read our replies better. You seem to jump to conclusions quite often. And maybe you should be the one to realize that the Arab's and Islam has always been Israel's bitter enemy as well as the enemy on all non Muslim's and the world!

The Revelation 'beast' will be a global beast system, covering all nations. And the dragon will take over its power over all nations and peoples, as written...

Does it matter to you that even in the text you quoted there are two different words for all and have two different meanings? Have you taken the time to study and understand that? I offered to explain it to you but that would debunk the globalist theory and then you WOULD have to admit you're wrong!

Look at how many words there are for all in the Old Testament.
http://www.eliyah.co...con&isindex=all

And in the New Testament.
http://www.eliyah.co...con&isindex=all

You don't care what the different definitions are or how they're used because it debunks globalism as the empire of the beast.
Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

The Greek word 'pas' for "all" means 'the whole, every, all types' (Strong's no. 3956).

Good try but it's too bad that you omitted the first meaning of the word which is individually and each! And if Paul wanted to imply the entire word in Rev. 13:7-8 he would have used the word 'holos' which does mean all/completely. The word in Rev 13:7-8 means...
1) individually

a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything

2) collectively

a) some of all types

This is what Spurgeon says on the same page.

"... 'The whole world is gone after him.' Did all the world go after Christ? 'Then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan.' Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem baptized in Jordan? 'Ye are of God , little children', and 'the whole world lieth in the wicked one.' Does 'the whole world' there mean everybody? If so, how was it, then, that there were some who were 'of God?' The words 'world' and 'all' are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture; and it is very rarely that 'all' means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts—some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted his redemption to either Jew or Gentile." (Charles H. Spurgeon, Particular Redemption, A Sermon, 28 Feb 1858).

If you don't do your homework on the word all you will surely be misled. The offer is still there. I can explain how all or 'pas' "individually and each " is used with other words. That is if you willing to be proven wrong. But I doubt you would accept it because then that would debunk globalism as the empire of the beast!

 

[veteran]

You're saying that to build yourself up because you've been shot down. Nobody is blind but one of us is misled, deceived, and in denial. And we'll let every individual reader determine that.

I'm not here to build myself up. But I am here to build others up in Christ in edifying Christ by staying to His Word. Of course that won't edify those who don't stay in His Word as written. Your denial of the working of globalism pretty much reveals who here is blinded.

You're the only one saying anything about Christ returning to Mecca. Try to get thing right without injecting something nobody said except you.

I didn't infer that, you did, when you claimed an Islamic messiah coming to sit upon the Temple Mount, when Apostle Paul was specific a false one will come to sit in "the temple of God" on the Temple Mount, which means one like the historical temple in Jerusalem in his days which was a Jewish temple, not an Islamic one. So already, you've left a specific written in Scripture in favour of your own doctrine.

I'm not listening to anybody. In fact many of the things you see on the net and in books about Islam are things that I've been saying for about 10 years. I've seen some things people wrote that I know came from me because it was to the t what and how I wrote it. But I don't care. Nothing is copyrite and the word needs to get out regardless of how much deception and denial that exist among Christian's.

Oh, but I think you are listening to others, but that you're not going to reveal them because it might be unfavorable to you and my Christian brethren.

I don't know what makes you think I said anything about the man of sin tricking anybody. And I'm not in total opposition to your quote that, "the false one is especially prepared for the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem and in the world, and all those who refuse Christ Jesus among all nations." I can quote a verse to support the Assyrian as being used by God for Israel's unbelief. I'm not sure I can quote one that the man of sin is prepared for all unbelievers other than for the followers of the beast. Maybe you should read our replies better. You seem to jump to conclusions quite often. And maybe you should be the one to realize that the Arab's and Islam has always been Israel's bitter enemy as well as the enemy on all non Muslim's and the world!

I don't need any lessons on the matter from you, but thanks. God's Word is pretty clear about the coming pseudo-messiah, for those who listen to Him and not to other men. Pagans are going to bow to worship that false messiah too. Even atheists will. None will be alone in his time.

Concerning the people of Ishmael (Arabs), they are Abraham's kinfolk, and thus Israel's kinfolk too. Not all of them are allied against Israel and Christians. Nor have all of them always been against Israel per Bible history.

Does it matter to you that even in the text you quoted there are two different words for all and have two different meanings? Have you taken the time to study and understand that? I offered to explain it to you but that would debunk the globalist theory and then you WOULD have to admit you're wrong!

Matt 11:27
27 All (Greek pas) things are delivered unto Me of My Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
(KJV)

That word for "All" there is Greek 'pas'. So how does that not mean all things like our Lord Jesus said? Here's another example...

Matt 19:26
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
(KJV)

There's that Greek word 'pas' for "all" once again. Does that mean not "all things" are possible with God?

A simple look in a Strong's Concordance of how that Greek word 'pas' was translated blows so many holes in your theory that's it's truly remarkable for you to keep going on about it like you're doing.

You don't care what the different definitions are or how they're used because it debunks globalism as the empire of the beast.

The thing you've debunked is any claim you might have had in proper understanding of simple words translated from the Greek.

As for debunking the movements of world globalism and the plans for a "one world government", you haven't even begun to touch it with any Biblical disproof. The only evidence you've offerred is great swelling words with your opinions.

Good try but it's too bad that you omitted the first meaning of the word which is individually and each! And if Paul wanted to imply the entire word in Rev. 13:7-8 he would have used the word 'holos' which does mean all/completely. The word in Rev 13:7-8 means...
1) individually

a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything

2) collectively

a) some of all types

Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all (pas) men, for that all have sinned:
(KJV)

Once again, your personal selectivity of the meaning of Greek 'pas' shows the state of confusion you are in. Strong's no. 3956 has it as 'all, any, every, the whole'. And as can easily be seen, death by sin has been passed upon ALL, for it is appointed for all men to die once (Heb.9:27).

I wonder how Spurgeon would have explained the above Scriptures I quoted, especially the Matt.19:26 verse with 'pas', about all (pas) things being possible with God.

If you don't do your homework on the word all you will surely be misled. The offer is still there. I can explain how all or 'pas' "individually and each " is used with other words. That is if you willing to be proven wrong. But I doubt you would accept it because then that would debunk globalism as the empire of the beast!

To debunk your theory about Greek usage of 'pas' for "all" in the KJV, all one has to do is simply show one verse where it is used to mean literally all, like Matt.19:26, and your theory falls completely flat on its nose.

It's ludicrous to try and understand Scripture with trying to fallaciously change the application of simple Greek words like 'pas', especially with so many examples of their plain usage.

What about this one too...

Col 1:16
16 For by Him were all (Greek pas - 3596) things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all (pas) things were created by Him, and for Him:
(KJV)

 

[revturmoil]

Your denial of the working of globalism pretty much reveals who here is blinded.

Stop with all the foolish accusations. You call me blind so I call you an idiot!
Your inability and unwillingness to understand and accept the definition of biblical terms, explains your unwillingness to admit your wrong and inability to understand the truth.

I didn't infer that, you did, when you claimed an Islamic messiah coming to sit upon the Temple Mount,

You still can't get things right! Since when is Mecca, Saudi Arabia the Temple Mount? You really do have issues that need to be addressed. One major one is to stop misquoting people out of spite!

I don't need any lessons on the matter from you, but thanks.

One wouldn't know that reading this forum! It appears you need a lot of help but unwilling to admit it!
You're one of those guys who knows everything there is to know about.....everything there is to know about! You don't want to learn anything because you think you already know it all! And you avoid the study of the word all and world because of the fear that it will continue to debunk your globalist theory! Monkey see monkey do isn't that hard to do! All you have to do is look at the lexicon ....and learn.

God's Word is pretty clear about the coming pseudo-messiah, for those who listen to Him and not to other men.

It's not clear enough for you if you avoid the study on the word all and world which is what the entire debate of globalism rest upon. And you're unwilling to study the words thinking you already know it all! The only time you do utilize those resources is when it supports your theory and you avoid anything else and resort to being mean and judgemental. You misquote, accuse, and question my salvation. Things that I would expect from the heathen. And it doesn't help me be a better person either.

Pagans are going to bow to worship that false messiah too. Even atheists will. None will be alone in his time.

How are one or two men, and with whose military will they enforce this worldwide worship of the beast? I know you don't read peoples replies thoroughly because you constantly misquote people. Did you notice what the word worship means in the book of Revelation? Or does the Islamic form of worship also debunk your theory? What makes you think that every country and every religion will relinquish their authority to them? OH! I know! It's the word all!

Concerning the people of Ishmael (Arabs), they are Abraham's kinfolk, and thus Israel's kinfolk too. Not all of them are allied against Israel and Christians. Nor have all of them always been against Israel per Bible history.

Well I can agree that the Jews and the Arab's are half cousins and that not all of them are against Israel. But that has nothing to do with globalism?

 

[veteran]

Stop with all the foolish accusations. You call me blind so I call you an idiot!
Your inability and unwillingness to understand and accept the definition of biblical terms, explains your unwillingness to admit your wrong and inability to understand the truth.

You are blinded away from the globallist one-world movement that's been going on for almost a century now, since you claim the final beast kingdom of Revelation is not worldwide, and not it. What about those quotes I gave that clearly point to it? The first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is exactly what that one-world movement is about. It's why the previous kingdom beast systems from Daniel were mentioned along with it.

And I think God's Word easily speaks for Itself, for those willing to listen to It. We don't have to go and try to change the meaning of little Greek words like 'pas' to understand It, nor try to base a whole doctrine off a Greek word like 'pas'.

You still can't get things right! Since when is Mecca, Saudi Arabia the Temple Mount? You really do have issues that need to be addressed. One major one is to stop misquoting people out of spite!

I see you're still going with a mocking attitude. You're just trying to create issues here through provacation and bearing false witness, like the plagarism idea.

It's not me that's confused about the Temple Mount and the temple Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2. The only one he knew of in his days was a Jewish temple per Israel's history. That's the temple he was talking about with that Wicked one coming to sit in and proclaim himself as God.

One wouldn't know that reading this forum! It appears you need a lot of help but unwilling to admit it!
You're one of those guys who knows everything there is to know about.....everything there is to know about! You don't want to learn anything because you think you already know it all! And you avoid the study of the word all and world because of the fear that it will continue to debunk your globalist theory! Monkey see monkey do isn't that hard to do! All you have to do is look at the lexicon ....and learn.

Why can't you just stay with Scripture, instead of mocking? You have not debunked any Scripture I've give thus far. And you certainly have not debunked evidence of the globalist one world government movement either. Such words as the above go all the further in proving the blindness that is upon you.

It's not clear enough for you if you avoid the study on the word all and world which is what the entire debate of globalism rest upon. And you're unwilling to study the words thinking you already know it all! The only time you do utilize those resources is when it supports your theory and you avoid anything else and resort to being mean and judgemental. You misquote, accuse, and question my salvation. Things that I would expect from the heathen. And it doesn't help me be a better person either.

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So, what you're REALLY here about is my revealing of the globalists towards a one world government, and how it perfectly fits the Revelation beast kingdom, and feet of toes of iron and clay per Daniel? Is that it? You sure are protesting a whole lot about that subject of globalism.

I well know there are 'some' Christians who are working in that plan for a one-world government over ALL nations on earth. Maybe some of them do it because they think it will help usher in Christ's coming that much sooner. Or maybe they are truly blinded as to who and what they're involved with. We shall find out in the end though, which way it is for those.

How are one or two men, and with whose military will they enforce this worldwide worship of the beast? I know you don't read peoples replies thoroughly because you constantly misquote people. Did you notice what the word worship means in the book of Revelation? Or does the Islamic form of worship also debunk your theory? What makes you think that every country and every religion will relinquish their authority to them? OH! I know! It's the word all!

Well I can agree that the Jews and the Arab's are half cousins and that not all of them are against Israel. But that has nothing to do with globalism?

I think you protest way too much about the subject of one-world globalsim, especially with evidence of so many signs of it today, even from high leaders in government, and history of the United Nations ideas.

Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
(KJV)

With a one-world government beast system, ALL military power is under its control. That's exactly what the United Nation's founders have proposed, for in final.

In Mark 13, Christ foretold that we would hear of wars and rumours of wars, that those things must be, but the end is not yet. What's the opposite of wars and rumours of wars? Peace. In 1 Thess.5 Paul said when they shall say, "Peace and safety", that's when "sudden destruction" will come upon 'them'. Paul was talking about 'them' as those who sleep in the night, are in darkness, deceived, spiritually "drunken in the night." Those are the deceived who will accept that one-world government New World Order beast system and its fake peace.

 

[revturmoil]

You are blinded away from the globallist one-world movement that's been going on for almost a century now, since you claim the final beast kingdom of Revelation is not worldwide, and not it. What about those quotes I gave that clearly point to it? The first beast of Rev.13:1-2 is exactly what that one-world movement is about. It's why the previous kingdom beast systems from Daniel were mentioned along with it.

Just goes to show you how your well your mentors have misled, deceived, and indoctrinated you. I use to believe in globalism. But that's because I listened to the same mentors as you!
All your quotes are fine. You just don't know anything about the word all which is the most misunderstood word in scripture! And you don't want to confront it. You trivialize it and can't admit that you need to learn about it. Why would you if it's just going to debunk your beliefs?

And I think God's Word easily speaks for Itself, for those willing to listen to It. We don't have to go and try to change the meaning of little Greek words like 'pas' to understand It, nor try to base a whole doctrine off a Greek word like 'pas'.

That one little word means the difference between a global empire and one limited to ten nations. I'm not changing the meaning of anything. YOU ARE! Because you refuse to acknowledge the true meaning of the many different words for all and how they're used several different ways! You seem to think that all is all and that's all there is to it!
I have a cousin who's a minister. He also has a doctorate. When discussing this with him one day he said, "When God say's all He means all!"

After I explained some things he just kept quiet because God forbid that someone with a 2 year degree may know something that he with an 8 year degree didn't know!
You're in the same boat!

I see you're still going with a mocking attitude. You're just trying to create issues here through provacation and bearing false witness, like the plagarism idea.

I'm not mocking you. I'm just tired of you misquoting me! You should know better!

It's not me that's confused about the Temple Mount and the temple Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2. The only one he knew of in his days was a Jewish temple per Israel's history. That's the temple he was talking about with that Wicked one coming to sit in and proclaim himself as God.

I'm aware of that but that temple is no more and two mosque rest upon the site. The word for temple in that verse is also the same word for a heathen shrine!

Why can't you just stay with Scripture, instead of mocking? You have not debunked any Scripture I've give thus far. And you certainly have not debunked evidence of the globalist one world government movement either. Such words as the above go all the further in proving the blindness that is upon you.

I am staying with scripture. You're the one that's all over the place. Mocking you is fun because you accuse me of being a blind and a pagan, you often misquote people...not just me, and you are are judgemental for question my salvation. I'll dish out to you whatever you dish out to me! You be more civil and so will I!

So, what you're REALLY here about is my revealing of the globalists towards a one world government, and how it perfectly fits the Revelation beast kingdom, and feet of toes of iron and clay per Daniel? Is that it? You sure are protesting a whole lot about that subject of globalism.

No! I'm not here to debunk your globalist theory. It just happens to be on the table. I'm sure there's lots of other things I'd like to debunk. But for now it's a joy being a thorn in your side! I simply believe in as Assyrian anti-christ and that isn't global. Just as the beast depicts...it's a ten nation empire!

Globalism is I well know there are 'some' Christians who are working in that plan for a one-world government over ALL nations on earth. Maybe some of them do it because they think it will help usher in Christ's coming that much sooner. Or maybe they are truly blinded as to who and what they're involved with. We shall find out in the end though, which way it is for those.

They call that self-fulfilling prophecy!
Like I said, I use to believe as you do and I use to be a pretribulationist too. But when I studied it all for myself I changed my mind!

I think you protest way too much about the subject of one-world globalsim, especially with evidence of so many signs of it today, even from high leaders in government, and history of the United Nations ideas.

The UN is useless and nearly powerless. The globalist theory has changed several times over the years. It went from the League of Nations (UN), to Rome and Europe, to the earth being divided into ten regions. What I believe is probably one of the oldest theories around!

Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
(KJV)

With a one-world government beast system, ALL military power is under its control. That's exactly what the United Nation's founders have proposed, for in final.

The UN doesn't have the power to take out a despot like Saddam or Quaddafi! How are they ever going to unify the world? And like I said. What makes anyone think that all the world's governments and religions would relinquish all their authority to two people? And where does their military come from? Do you really think that the earths governments would just hand over their entire military arsenal to two people! That's more than a pipe dream that's outrageous!

Obviously if someone is avaliable to make war with him there must be other regimes on the planet!

In Mark 13, Christ foretold that we would hear of wars and rumours of wars, that those things must be, but the end is not yet. What's the opposite of wars and rumours of wars? Peace. In 1 Thess.5 Paul said when they shall say, "Peace and safety", that's when "sudden destruction" will come upon 'them'. Paul was talking about 'them' as those who sleep in the night, are in darkness, deceived, spiritually "drunken in the night." Those are the deceived who will accept that one-world government New World Order beast system and its fake peace.

Who say's they will accept a one world government? You do! I know it's not the bible!
The entire crux of the matter is in understanding the word all and the word world.

 

[veteran]

Just goes to show you how your well your mentors have misled, deceived, and indoctrinated you. I use to believe in globalism. But that's because I listened to the same mentors as you!
All your quotes are fine. You just don't know anything about the word all which is the most misunderstood word in scripture! And you don't want to confront it. You trivialize it and can't admit that you need to learn about it. Why would you if it's just going to debunk your beliefs?


That one little word means the difference between a global empire and one limited to ten nations. I'm not changing the meaning of anything. YOU ARE! Because you refuse to acknowledge the true meaning of the many different words for all and how they're used several different ways! You seem to think that all is all and that's all there is to it!
I have a cousin who's a minister. He also has a doctorate. When discussing this with him one day he said, "When God say's all He means all!"

After I explained some things he just kept quiet because God forbid that someone with a 2 year degree may know something that he with an 8 year degree didn't know!
You're in the same boat!


I'm not mocking you. I'm just tired of you misquoting me! You should know better!


I'm aware of that but that temple is no more and two mosque rest upon the site. The word for temple in that verse is also the same word for a heathen shrine!


I am staying with scripture. You're the one that's all over the place. Mocking you is fun because you accuse me of being a blind and a pagan, you often misquote people...not just me, and you are are judgemental for question my salvation. I'll dish out to you whatever you dish out to me! You be more civil and so will I!


No! I'm not here to debunk your globalist theory. It just happens to be on the table. I'm sure there's lots of other things I'd like to debunk. But for now it's a joy being a thorn in your side! I simply believe in as Assyrian anti-christ and that isn't global. Just as the beast depicts...it's a ten nation empire!


They call that self-fulfilling prophecy!
Like I said, I use to believe as you do and I use to be a pretribulationist too. But when I studied it all for myself I changed my mind!


The UN is useless and nearly powerless. The globalist theory has changed several times over the years. It went from the League of Nations (UN), to Rome and Europe, to the earth being divided into ten regions. What I believe is probably one of the oldest theories around!


The UN doesn't have the power to take out a despot like Saddam or Quaddafi! How are they ever going to unify the world? And like I said. What makes anyone think that all the world's governments and religions would relinquish all their authority to two people? And where does their military come from? Do you really think that the earths governments would just hand over their entire military arsenal to two people! That's more than a pipe dream that's outrageous!

Obviously if someone is avaliable to make war with him there must be other regimes on the planet!


Who say's they will accept a one world government? You do! I know it's not the bible!
The entire crux of the matter is in understanding the word all and the word world.

All that from someone who believes Saddam Hussein is going to return to this world, as what? the false messiah of 2 Thess.2?!?

YOU SAID:

Say for example I believe Saddam Hussein will return as the wounded beast and set up a ten nation Mid-East empire. Well if you see Saddam return and do this the entire world will wonder after the beast!

Will you also say I plagarized your words there too?

Saddam Hussein is dead and gone, most likely in hell. He ain't comin' back. With that kind of wierd view of yours, it might as well be Hitler, or Nero, etc.!!


You've totally missed where the "deadly wound" occurs upon.

Rev 13:1-3
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(KJV)

That's the FIRST beast example given. (There's two different beast examples given in Rev.13). Because verse 2 is giving the old symbols of the previous beast kingdoms from Daniel 7, that's one way we can be certain this first beast that rises out of the 'sea' is about a beast 'kingdom' also. The pronouns like "his" there is according to John's vision of a literal beast image as symbolic for something; it does not mean that beast John saw is a literal monster, nor a person or a he. It's a symbolic image, just as the leopard, bear, and lion were used as symbols for the previous beast kingdoms of history.

One of its "seven heads" suffers a deadly wound, that is, one of the seven heads of that first beast kingdom. The beast kingdom of Rev.12:3-4 given when the dragon first rebelled and drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth with him had seven heads also. It's about a kingdom structure upon the earth, just like this one is, as the previous beasts of Rev.13:2 were also.

What are those "seven heads" per Scripture?

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(KJV)

The "seven mountains" are not persons. Not Saddam Hussein at all.


Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
(KJV)

Since the dragon of Rev.13:2 gives the first beast (kingdom) its power, seat, and authority, that dragon is also the one who heals that deadly wound upon the first beast kingdom. But this second beast John saw, "another beast", is about the dragon himself.

And who is the "dragon" per God's Word? Saddam Hussein? No, of course not...

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

And who is it that will work the great signs and wonders on earth in the sight of men, which is the same working Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2:9-10?

Rev 13:13-14
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

It's that same "dragon" of Rev.13:4 and all of that Rev.13 chapter. It's that same dragon of Rev.12:9, the Devil himself.

Saddam Hussein might be 'a devil', but he certainly was not and is not that "dragon" of Rev.12-13.

 

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All that from someone who believes Saddam Hussein is going to return to this world, as what? the false messiah of 2 Thess.2?!?

YOU SAID:


Will you also say I plagarized your words there too?

Saddam Hussein is dead and gone, most likely in hell. He ain't comin' back. With that kind of wierd view of yours, it might as well be Hitler, or Nero, etc.!!


You've totally missed where the "deadly wound" occurs upon.

Rev 13:1-3
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(KJV)

That's the FIRST beast example given. (There's two different beast examples given in Rev.13). Because verse 2 is giving the old symbols of the previous beast kingdoms from Daniel 7, that's one way we can be certain this first beast that rises out of the 'sea' is about a beast 'kingdom' also. The pronouns like "his" there is according to John's vision of a literal beast image as symbolic for something; it does not mean that beast John saw is a literal monster, nor a person or a he. It's a symbolic image, just as the leopard, bear, and lion were used as symbols for the previous beast kingdoms of history.

One of its "seven heads" suffers a deadly wound, that is, one of the seven heads of that first beast kingdom. The beast kingdom of Rev.12:3-4 given when the dragon first rebelled and drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth with him had seven heads also. It's about a kingdom structure upon the earth, just like this one is, as the previous beasts of Rev.13:2 were also.

What are those "seven heads" per Scripture?

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(KJV)

The "seven mountains" are not persons. Not Saddam Hussein at all.


Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
(KJV)

Since the dragon of Rev.13:2 gives the first beast (kingdom) its power, seat, and authority, that dragon is also the one who heals that deadly wound upon the first beast kingdom. But this second beast John saw, "another beast", is about the dragon himself.

And who is the "dragon" per God's Word? Saddam Hussein? No, of course not...

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

And who is it that will work the great signs and wonders on earth in the sight of men, which is the same working Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2:9-10?

Rev 13:13-14
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

It's that same "dragon" of Rev.13:4 and all of that Rev.13 chapter. It's that same dragon of Rev.12:9, the Devil himself.

Saddam Hussein might be 'a devil', but he certainly was not and is not that "dragon" of Rev.12-13.

You really are into mis-quoting people. You presume way too much.
Do you really think we got the right Saddam? Do you really think that with the money he had he would have been hiding in a hole in the ground? There's no use explaining it to you. You're a globalist and you're bound to your beliefs and everyone else is wrong and I doubt you'll ever change your mind! Maybe the events to come will. But then you like so many others would have to admit you were wrong! And the words "I was wrong" doesn't exist in most Christians' dictionary!

 

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Christian's really need to reconsider the RRE

What's the RRE?

 

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What's the RRE?

The Revived Roman Empire theory. It pretty much comes from the interpretation of Daniel 2 and Nebuchadnezzar's vision of the statue. The experts would like you to believe that the fourth kingdom is Rome or the RRE. But that can't be because of the word inferior that describes the second empire and the word mixed which describes the iron and clay.

 

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You really are into mis-quoting people. You presume way too much.
Do you really think we got the right Saddam? Do you really think that with the money he had he would have been hiding in a hole in the ground? There's no use explaining it to you. You're a globalist and you're bound to your beliefs and everyone else is wrong and I doubt you'll ever change your mind! Maybe the events to come will. But then you like so many others would have to admit you were wrong! And the words "I was wrong" doesn't exist in most Christians' dictionary!

You're not the first person I've conversed with which gets upset and starts acting like a little child when they're clearly proven wrong.

Much of what you've been pushing here is some truly wild and crazy unbiblical stuff, especially your idea about Saddam Hussein coming back from the dead to setup some middleast kingdom on earth.

As for your accusation of me being a globalist, you couldn't be farther away from the truth.

With your words, I'm really getting this image of a crying little boy in knickers jumping up down saying anything he can to try and get his way.