Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

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Wrangler

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YOU have said that Russia was justified in attacking the Ukraine. You are a war monger. Wouldn't that make you shameful?
No. Self defense is always justified.
Is it now ok for Russia to invade Finland, Norway, Estonia and Poland since they have corruption AND have spy equipment which is forcing Russia's hand?
Not sure why you are changing the subject. The article I posted proves America's sustained actions of provocation.

PERVERSION OF EQUALITY. America has the title of "Leader of the Free World" not Estonia!

I'm not sure how discerning you are at intrigue so let me say it again. The USA has become the very thing it was created to oppose, a mischievous imperial power. Another title America has is "the most powerful country in the history of the world." As such, America is the puppet master of the alliances it dominates, such as the other countries of NATO. Keep your eyes on the prize. America - through the CIA - is the head of the snake - not Estonia!

A friend at church is fond of saying that meekness is not weakness but power in perfect restraint. Since being relatively unscathed in the aftermath of WWII, where the other world powers were in relative ruins, America was given the divine opportunity to lead in a godly way, to be meek, to perfectly restrain it's power. Instead, it failed miserably, engaged in relentless regime change and intrigue far surpassing the legendary Byzintines. The list below does not include the many times the USA has interferred with elections of sovereign people, including our supposed Ally, Israel. And makes a mockery of the Left's faux outrage at Russian election interference.

From United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia. No wonder so many around the world hate the US - and its not because of our wealth!
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1950–1953: Burma and China
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No. Self defense is always justified.
And once again wrangler you contradict yourself. The Ukrainian people are defending themselves, but you say they should just give up.

Russia attacked a sovereign nation. How is that self-defense? Oh, I forgot. There are corrupt people and Nazi's in the Ukraine, and those corrupt people and Nazi's were destroying Russia's economy, killing its people and destroying its infrastructure.

Yup, Russia was definitely justified. I mean after all; it was self-defense :jest:
 

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The Ukrainian people are defending themselves
Protectors cannot legitimately say they are defending themselves.

Ukraine poked the bear. Now, they are getting the beat down they deserve.

This is why Ukraine should pursue a negotiated peace. Simple.
 

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Not sure why you are changing the subject. The article I posted proves America's sustained actions of provocation.
I didn't change the subject wrangler. YOU are the one who suggested that the CIA having bases in the Ukraine made it ok for Russia to attack. I stuck with the subject and listed other countries that MORE THAN LIKELY have CIA bases and if they don't have CIA bases they are Definitely spying on Russia. ITS THE SAME SUBJECT, different countries. You are wearing me out wrangler.......:phew:

The article you posted said that the CIA has/had 12 bases in Ukraine to spy on Russia. If the CIA having bases in Ukraine to spy on Russia is enough of a provocation for Russia attacking Ukraine, then Finland, Norway, Estonia and Poland are, according to your logic, ripe for invasion by Russia.

All 4 border Russia.
All of them are spying on Russia.
All of them have corruption.
Poland and Estonia are former soviet satellites countries which means NATO expanded when they told Russia they wouldn't.

Keeping it real with the facts and logic.......Mary
 

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Protectors cannot legitimately say they are defending themselves.

Ukraine poked the bear. Now, they are getting the beat down they deserve.

This is why Ukraine should pursue a negotiated peace. Simple.
You make zero sense kiddo. What in the world do you mean by a "protector"?

How did Ukraine poke the bear? Oh, wait. You already told me. There was corruption and Nazi's and spy bases inside the Ukraine and those things inside the borders of the Ukraine were destroying everything inside the borders of Russia. Got it.....Chkl:


Ummmm......Ukraine had a mediocre military before the war and they are destroying Russia's alleged best troops. Soooooo ONCE AGAIN, you are wrong.
 

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You continue to be wrong. You continue to pretend there is no justification for war but have not even attempted to justify peace. Profoundly illogical.
More lies. :jest:

I have never said there is no justification for war. Why do you keep making things up that I never said?
 

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More lies. :jest:

I have never said there is no justification for war. Why do you keep making things up that I never said?
You cannot discern my sentence. You cannot justify peace with Russia. All you can do is claim there is no justification for war. Fact is, there is war. You have to get passed yourself and stop asking the wrong question.

Now that there is war, what is the justification for peace?
 

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From United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia. No wonder so many around the world hate the US - and its not because of our wealth!

Yep, maybe our chickens are coming home to roost as they say...

No matter how we slice it, Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand
so the US is going to fall at some point.... Jesus DOES know what He is talking about.
 

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You cannot discern my sentence. You cannot justify peace with Russia. All you can do is claim there is no justification for war. Fact is, there is war. You have to get passed yourself and stop asking the wrong question.

Now that there is war, what is the justification for peace?
You are right. I was not able to discern your sentence. Now I see what you are saying!

Yes, I am claiming that Russia had no justification for going to war with the Ukraine. The reasons YOU gave are not justifications for war. If those justifications were valid then every country around them is ripe for invasion by Russia. However you have never addressed that point and keep dodging it. Why?

Justification for peace is no more Ukrainians or Russian soldiers will be killed. No more homes, apartments, business etc will be destroyed. Russia can't even beat a rag tag military so they should beg for peace before any more of their soldiers get killed.

You dodged, ONCE AGAIN, my question: Why do you keep making things up that I never said?
 

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The reasons YOU gave are not justifications for war.
You keep speaking in negatives and in theoreticals. Fact is, there is war!

Reality trumps theory.

Pontificating there should not be war is not advancing the cause of peace. This is why I ask now, what would justify peace now? What negotiating proposal do you offer?
 

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You keep speaking in negatives and in theoreticals. Fact is, there is war!

Reality trumps theory.

Pontificating there should not be war is not advancing the cause of peace. This is why I ask now, what would justify peace now? What negotiating proposal do you offer?
Ummmmm.....did I ever deny there is a war? :IDK: Wrangler, you do know when you accuse someone of something they didn't do or say you are telling a lie? :coff

I have already answered your 1st question SEVERAL TIMES!

In negotiations they should tell Russia to leave our sovereign country that was democratically voted for and we will stop killing your soldiers and we won't attack your country because of the corruption you have in it.

The independence of Ukraine gained can not be negotiated since it has already been settled:



Mary

(I long for the days we agreed on things) :)
 

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In negotiations they should tell Russia to leave our sovereign country that was democratically voted for and we will stop killing your soldiers
You are so lost Mary! In negotiations, you don't tell the other party. You make an offer. One that if they don't accept, you know the slaughter will continue.

Your so-called answer offers nothing TO RUSSIA. They are taking it to Ukraine and it is the Ukranians who are getting killed en masse! Russia has appealed to violence to resolve the threat to Russia and your in denial of reality to even suppose they will just leave without getting what they want. You offer nothing. Hence, no justification for peace.

HINT: I honestly don't think Russia wants anything from Ukraine. Rather, they want the puppetmasters @ NATO to keep the previous agreement of non-expansion East toward Russia. And of course, this means immediately stop providing Ukraine more weapons of war and take back what has already been given, i.e., demilitarize Ukraine.

When Russia nukes NATO for their failure to stop this conflict and 10's of millions of people around the world are killed, you might be willing to entertain an actual good faith negotiation. This is especially true if a nuclear detonation happens at a town near you - if you survive at all. If not, I'm sure your dying thoughts will be you are Wrongler kiddo, there is no justification for war ...
 
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You are so lost Mary! In negotiations, you don't tell the other party. You make an offer. One that if they don't accept, you know the slaughter will continue.

Your so-called answer offers nothing TO RUSSIA. They are taking it to Ukraine and it is the Ukranians who are getting killed en masse! Russia has appealed to violence to resolve the threat to Russia and your in denial of reality to even suppose they will just leave without getting what they want. You offer nothing. Hence, no justification for peace.

HINT: I honestly don't think Russia wants anything from Ukraine. Rather, they want the puppetmasters @ NATO to keep the previous agreement of non-expansion East toward Russia. And of course, this means immediately stop providing Ukraine more weapons of war and take back what has already been given, i.e., demilitarize Ukraine.

When Russia nukes NATO for their failure to stop this conflict and 10's of millions of people around the world are killed, you might be willing to entertain an actual good faith negotiation. This is especially true if a nuclear detonation happens at a town near you - if you survive at all. If not, I'm sure your dying thoughts will be you are Wrongler kiddo, there is no justification for war ...
Hey dodgeball. You didn't answer my question. Let's try again:

Ummmmm.....did I ever deny there is a war? Wrangler, you do know when you accuse someone of something they didn't do or say you are telling a lie?

Lol...you don't tell the other party, you make an offer? OK.....We offer to stop killing your soldiers if you choose to vacate our democratically elected country of which you abandoned after the cold war.

You crack me up wrangler.......
 

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You are so lost Mary! In negotiations, you don't tell the other party. You make an offer. One that if they don't accept, you know the slaughter will continue.

Your so-called answer offers nothing TO RUSSIA. They are taking it to Ukraine and it is the Ukranians who are getting killed en masse! Russia has appealed to violence to resolve the threat to Russia and your in denial of reality to even suppose they will just leave without getting what they want. You offer nothing. Hence, no justification for peace.

HINT: I honestly don't think Russia wants anything from Ukraine. Rather, they want the puppetmasters @ NATO to keep the previous agreement of non-expansion East toward Russia. And of course, this means immediately stop providing Ukraine more weapons of war and take back what has already been given, i.e., demilitarize Ukraine.

When Russia nukes NATO for their failure to stop this conflict and 10's of millions of people around the world are killed, you might be willing to entertain an actual good faith negotiation. This is especially true if a nuclear detonation happens at a town near you - if you survive at all. If not, I'm sure your dying thoughts will be you are Wrongler kiddo, there is no justification for war ...
You are correct Wrangler, so people are that shallow that they will get or offer people up to be killed regardless, not to mention that this War is the closes we have seen to become a WW3 in fact and Russia will never back down from this stance ever in fact, for they are not Stupid ! It's Ukraine that has and is being totally Evil in fact ! for Zelansky has only worked to undermine the situation, with the help of Socialist Joe Biden in fact backing this insanity up to cause the death of all them people, that's one thing that the MSM do not reflect on as they have no regard for life's in fact !
It all would of been solved by them people in the East of Ukraine to have the right to Vote in fact ! that's the main point, this was rejected because 80% wanted to become Russia in fact !

Anyone who supports Ukraine is a fool ! because you reject their right to Vote on the subject in fact ! And are guilty of bringing on a War and the deaths of everyone who is Killed etc etc, it's all your doing in fact !

Russia can not back down on this issue, because they are being shafted by dirty Satanic cunning trash who are traitors to the past agreements History ! It's only the workings of a hand full on men that has brought this nonsense all about !

Russia entered into this War that was going on for years, because they forced Putin's hand in regards to all this, Russia's Military Base is the main issue of why Russia can not afford to let morons like Zelensky and Joe Biden have their way in fact ! As they can fool simple people by the MSM around the World that this issue is something other ! and the fact is that when the MSM or Governments make totally false claims that Ukraine is under full scale War is totally wrong in fact !

Ukraine will come under full scale War down the track but Lucky that Putin is in power or else they would of been totally invaded easy ! remember that dude that wanted Putin to take over Ukraine and our MSM made out that such was an attack on Putin ? but no it was that they were pissed off that Putin would and did not go to War with Ukraine ? It's only in regards the East in fact, that their is a issue, Putin does not want the People of Ukraine damaged, it's the hand full of Evil men who are the issue, not the Ukraine people, bar for Joe Biden etc and Zelensky's Nazi Mates ! who truly only want War at all cost in fact ! It's not the Ukraine people that Russia has a issue with at all in fact !

Someone is going to get a Nuclear Bomb dropped on them in fact ! if they keep escalating this stupid War !

I wanted the people in East Ukraine to have the right to Vote ! But Joe Biden and crew do not like Voting rights in fact ! No Socialist like the right to Vote in fact ! and the UN and NATO in fact have no regards to Voting peoples rights in fact ! because no one Votes their organisation in do they ! so who are they truly governed on ? Satanic Socialism in fact ! full of cut throats and murders have control of such organisations. They have got way to much power ! Now they are dictating about fruit loops rights and such standing over everyone or else ! They are a bunch of trash ! They are a white washed tomb, full of dead mans bones ! shining on the outside but once you touch the outside your hand follows through to the real stench within ! this is in the Bible and is called a Kike in fact ! and nothing to do with Jews at all, as some fool claimed and wiped all of my post, because it thought i was talking about Jews ? Kike means a white washed tomb in regards the Bible, such comes across as a shinning light to fools but is in fact as Bible describes such. any one can be called a Kike one doers not have to be a Jew at all in fact. it's a worldly position that works undermines Christ Jesus in fact !

Joe Biden and his ilk would nothing better than bring on WW3 in fact for that would make their task of reducing the world population down to their targets in fact ! and they are deadly serious to such an ends in fact !

See how easy it is to fool the people ! just dangle the carrot Climate Change, putting fear into simpletons and bingo ! Hitler and Stalin played on the same type of cunning tactics. It's called delusions and deceptions ! just ask any salesman the lengths one will go to.
 
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I wanted the people in East Ukraine to have the right to Vote ! But Joe Biden and crew do not like Voting rights in fact !
This is under-reported.

One can just imagine the headlines of Bush or Trump supported a regime that suspended elections to wage war. Impeach!

A Demonrat does it. Nevermind.

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OK.....We offer to stop killing your soldiers if you choose to vacate our democratically elected country of which you abandoned after the cold war.
So wrong on so many levels.
  1. Ukraine suspended elections after the coup - that I provided evidence for.
  2. Ukraine is losing this war. It is the common man in Ukraine that wise men should seek peace.
  3. Tipping balance of power. Your "offer" does not address NATO aggression, the cause of the war.
You have no justification for peace. So, the slaughter continues. Too bad you weren't guided to peace.
 
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NATO may have provoked a conflict by encroaching on Russia's and China's borders. But no one waged war on Russia or China. And yet Russia attacked Ukraine. I don't believe Russia was in the right in starting the invasion using war. A lot of innocent people have died so far. And all of this could have been avoided.
 
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NATO may have provoked a conflict by encroaching on Russia's and China's borders. But no one waged war on Russia or China. And yet Russia attacked Ukraine. I don't believe Russia was in the right in starting the invasion using war. A lot of innocent people have died so far. And all of this could have been avoided.


It's NATO's fault....