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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.
 
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Heb 4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Well this scripture verse you are referring to means Christ was tempted as any human man could be tempted and never succumbed to any of these temptations that causes sin. These human natured lures or enticements to tempt to sin, are not dependent and do not discriminate as to what objects are available to be tempted with or by, as they multiply and many are different in each generation.

Whether in the 1st century or the 21st century, and there are drugs or no drug scene, porn or no porn there are other ways or objects that one can find as a substitute for these and their effects of enticement are the same. Lust of the flesh to drink alcohol excessively would be a substitute for the drug scene of today for example. Secretly watching someone or several people undress or seeing them performing sexual acts, as a habit, on a periodic basis is a substitute for porn for example.

Temptations in the flesh is the same in any age or generation, even 500 years from now with new habits and objects to entice. They can all become sin.
 

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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.
There is also mind control. People can be forced to do things beyond their ability to resist. The body takes over under certain circumstances similar to addiction. And the mind or will of the spirit is outweighed by the energy forced into the body. It's simple physics. A greater force outweighs and dominates a lesser force. Our will power is not terribly strong. God is strong though, so we call on him to be our strength. And if God allows it, you can be tempted more than you can resist. And if not, well you get the idea.

BTW, the Lord's prayer includes the following section:

Matthew 6:13 "And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one."

The verses you are referring to are speaking to a specific people. And perhaps the word would be changed for today's times? I don't doubt that things have changed since the New Testament was written. We now have doctors and advanced medicine and cars, cell phones, computers, nuclear weapons and all manner of war machines.

There are also scripture that the church leaders didn't select to be included in the canon. Like the second book of Enoch, etc. They chose for us which is probably not wise. That is like limiting who can read what. Something the Catholic church was guilty of from early on. They wouldn't let people have access to the scriptures.
 

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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.
The principles of temptation remain the same throughout history; those principles being self orientation (selfishness)
The 'clothes' will change yet the core remains the same.
 

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The principles of temptation remain the same throughout history; those principles being self orientation (selfishness)
The 'clothes' will change yet the core remains the same.
That's good. Reminds me of this.

James 1:13-15 NIV
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.”
For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away
by their own evil desire and enticed.
15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

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In all the WAYS, not with all the THINGS.

Welcome to the forum. See post #5. Thanks.

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They actually had temptations in that culture that are not common today. IMHO
Sex slaves were kept legally. Use of prostitutes was common and legal as well.
Polygamy was so common that the Apostle Paul made a "husband of one wife" rule for Elders.
Those who us porn today are only imagining what was common back then.
Here's a forum topic about that. (title is a link)

Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

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. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind.
The root sins of Lust and Intoxication were plenty available in the first century in the forms of prostitution and wine. And if you look at the Wikipedia article for "Erotic Art in Pompeii and Herculaneum" (I won't post the link), you'll see that pornographic statuary and such was available in the Greco-Roman world at the time, though probably not in Israel. But Lust begins in the heart anyway, so sexual temptation is available anywhere there are women, men, goats, or whatever you're attracted to.

Have we invented any "original sins"? Or have we only used our technical prowess to get really good at some of the classics?
 
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I think the biggest temptation Jesus had was not to allow himself to take the opportunity to be King of Israel or the world at that time.
That was the last temptation that the devil set before him in the wilderness. All these kindoms will I give unto thee if thou will bow down to worship me.
Even his disciples were seeking a Messiah to take back the kingdom at that time. If Jesus wanted to he could of had thousands upon thousands stand on his side.
I believe the kings which came from the east to honor him at his birth would of given him their armies to come against Rome.
It would of been the battle of armegheddon in that day.
And he knew he would win.

But Jesus stuck to his mission. He came to save the hearts of man and not the land that God had given them.
The flesh is temporary but the spirit is eternal, and his kingdom would be an everlasting kingdom that no man could take away.

People sell their soul to the devil for much lesser things than these. Fame, fortune, prestige, honor.
All these things the devil would give him if he only bowed to him.
And Jesus said no. I come to do the will of my Father.

And because he humbled himself, and made of himself no reputation...

Phl 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phl 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Satan thought he could give Jesus something that he couldn't recieve himself.
But Satan, maybe he didn't know who Christ was, the devils knew, that the Father had already given everything into his hand.
He believed in the promise his Father made, that if he lay down his life for the world, he would be able to take it up again.
And he also knew within himself that this was true, for it was for him and by him and through him that everything was made that was made, visible and invisible.

And I was thinking about another thread, Why didn't God remove Satan from the beginning?

Because Jesus the man had to be tempted as we are, so that through all temptations he could sympathise and console others who would go through the same trials.

1Co 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

I believe the biggest temptation man faces is the same temptation that Adam and Eve faced.
1Jo 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Jesus defeated all these after walking through the wilderness for forty days and forty nights without food or water.
Some men sell their souls for a little red pottage.
Heb 12:16
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Some men sell their souls for vanity and riches.
Ecc 2:17
Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

And some men sell their souls to rule the world. Pharaoh, Nebuchednezzar, Nimrod, Adam.

And we have trouble with drugs, pornography, new cars and toys, nice homes, delicate foods.
Positions of authority like President, Senator, Movie stars, Great scientists...
Everybody wants to be somebody more than what they already are.

But Jesus was content with who he was, and all these things were added unto him.

Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


Dan 4:34
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36
At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

Nebuchadnezzar learned the hard way. But in the end, he found the right path.

Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Just thinking..
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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.
I am sure there were all kinds of temptations when Jesus walked the earth. Probably a lot of prostitutes.
 

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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.
He is not just then, or now he is also 'will be'. And is still the same.
 
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Please take this seriously as I am not simply posting for the fun of it, but I’m truly trying to gain understanding. The Bible says in Hebrews that Jesus was tempted in all the ways we face. My conundrum is how this is a valid statement. I am not discrediting the Wird, but certain things were not opportunistic temptations 2000 years ago. The easy access to pornography and drugs are the first to come to mind. Admittedly, I seek understanding because I face these temptations. Please help me understand without judgement. Thanks.

Ya know?

I love the honesty of your inquiry. It's rare.

I think I saw my first Playboy and Penthouse magazines at my older brother's house when I was about 14 years old. I can still see some of those images in my head. Yes- it was a strong temptation to flip through those pages every time I was there babysitting his kids. And every time I would fall to it. Without exception. There was just something about going to his house that was connected to the availability of that material obviously, but also to the inevitability of falling to the temptation itself.

When I got older and no longer babysat for him- I stopped going to his house. And the addiction ceased.

One practical thing you can do is to limit your exposure by eliminating the environment you enter that causes you to fall to this particular temptation. If it's when you are home alone and in front of your computer-- limit the times that you are home alone in front of your computer. I mean -- if you are serious in your desire to stop. A serious person would toss out their computer if that's what it takes.

Oh-- and pray. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

Lastly-- give yourself a little grace. This is controversial, but it's true. You and your body are designed and built --by God. He knew what he was doing. Everything is within arm's reach.... that's how He made us, man and woman alike. I mean-- He could have made us so that you had to stick an elbow in an ear for sexual satisfaction.... but that's not what He did. By design.

It's natural to have urges and desires and among those a desire for the opposite sex is God-given and powerful. If you believe that Jesus was a man (he was) then he indeed had these same urges and desires-- common to man..... or he was no man at all.
 
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