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[VictoryinJesus]

first, thanks for the response. no, Christ is not for the fowls and beasts. note this VJ, the Lord Jesus just finish feeding the people with NATURAL Food and Drink. but what he was telling them instead of pursuing natural life, one need to acquire everlasting food. John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me". (HE JUST TOLD THEM WHAT TO EAT). Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life". how do one believe? scripture, Jeremiah 15:16 "Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts". TO EAT, OR THE ACT OF EATING, and DRINKING, here, is the consumption of the word of God. notice, the Lord Jesus used the Son of Man, who is Spiritual. listen, John 6:53 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you". Son of Man is spirit, not carnal. son of God is carnal, meaning NATURAL LIFE. understand Jesus the Christ is the WORD, and these, eating and drinking is not to be understood of a corporeal eating, or drink of them, but having a principle of spiritual life. see to eat, or eating is the consumption of spiritual things, the word of God, TO BELIEVE. the word of God is spirit, and LIFE. John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life". we digested the word of LIFE.

so, no, not natural flesh, nor natural blood, to eat, but spiritual food, and spiritual drink, which is the Lord Jesus, the Word of God. his flesh is meat indeed. and strong meat is an offense to a weak mind. meaning one cannot understand. scripture, 1 Corinthians 3:2 "I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able". Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat". see drinking NATURAL blood, and eating NATURAL flesh is an offense to those who don't UNDERSTAND. but we who are strong in the word of God understand the things of God.

1 Corinthians 10:2-4 "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ".

hoped this helped.

I can't believe you thought I was referring to natural meat and not spiritual. One gives insight to the other though.


Psalm 78:24-31 KJV

[24] And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. [25] Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. [26] He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. [27] He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: [28] And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. [29] So they did eat, and were well filled: for he gave them their own desire; [30] They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, [31] The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

Genesis 15: 11
And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.

Jeremiah 7:33-34 KJV
[33] And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away. [34] Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

I get spiritual food: The Word. Bread. Manna from heaven. The LORD in the flesh, Jesus Christ. I get we don't drink natural blood and ear natural flesh. But we do have a table to eat from. And He does give us meat. We are not walking around wearing natural blood, but we are drenched in His blood... spiritually cleansed. Fowls, Beast, and Fish ...can also have a spiritual meaning. The kingdom referred to as a net cast that draws in all manner of fish; means men not fish.

Numbers 11:31
And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth.

Do quails come from the sea?
Never mind.

 

[101G]

I get spiritual food: The Word. Bread. Manna from heaven. The LORD in the flesh, Jesus Christ. I get we don't drink natural blood and ear natural flesh. But we do have a table to eat from. And He does give us meat. We are not walking around wearing natural blood, but we are drenched in His blood... spiritually cleansed. Fowls, Beast, and Fish ...can also have a spiritual meaning. The kingdom referred to as a net cast that draws in all manner of fish; means men not fish.

VJ, I commend you, and encourage you. good work. his flesh is the veil into the Holy of Holies. Hebrews 10:19 & 20 "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh". the blood of Christ was spilled on the alter of sacrifice. his blood covers us, because he is our HEAD, remember 1 Corinthians 11:1-3.

Do quails come from the sea?

never mind?, well....... you might re-consider, scripture, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven". but never mind,,,,, (smile).

peace in Christ Jesus

 

[VictoryinJesus]

his flesh is the veil into the Holy of Holies.

Deserves a pause...

 

[101G]

Deserves a pause...

Hebrews 10:19 "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh". VJ no need to pause, his flesh is resurrected flesh, he is spiritual. and that flesh is his BODY. and we are his body, the church. the new LIVING way is no longer carnal but spiritual.
today we need no priest to go to we are apart of him, spiritually speaking. 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit".

peace in Christ Jesus

 

[VictoryinJesus]

never mind?, well....... you might re-consider, scripture, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven". but never mind,,,,, (smile).

I could argue Genesis can also be read spiritually, as well as a physical account of creation. Look, I ask you what may seem like silly questions but I have no one else to ask. You don't have to elude to an answer. True or false? God has a language (imagery)that is not of this world; yes, the physical of this world is a reflection of the spiritual but at the same time NO author can mimic the Word. It is authentic. A unique language. Once the Spirit teaches the imagery language of God, then the Word consistently speaks on another level. You know as well as I do that it is not making stuff up or forcing it, because there are patterns in the imagery that repeats and repeats and repeats. He speaks.

Spiritual or physical?
Isaiah 63:2-3 KJV
[2] Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

Physical or spiritual?
Revelation 14:18-20 KJV
[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Physical or Spiritual?
Revelation 19:17-18 KJV
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Physical or Spiritual? I say there is a reason the quail came up and covered the camp. same as the dew that lay round about the host.
Exodus 16:13 KJV
[13] And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.

There is a reason Gideon laid out the fleece. It wasn't only because he was fearful. God was demonstrating something through Gideon.
Judges 6:36-38 KJV
[36] And Gideon said unto God, If thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said, [37] Behold, I will put a fleece of wool in the floor; and if the dew be on the fleece only, and it be dry upon all the earth beside , then shall I know that thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said. [38] And it was so: for he rose up early on the morrow, and thrust the fleece together, and wringed the dew out of the fleece, a bowl full of water.

Before anyone freaks out. I am not saying the physical accounts or history is...a made-up story. I believe it all happened and will happen as the LORD says. But The LORD also speaks through the lives of His people and...He always speaks of the Lamb. Jesus Christ.

I am curious 101 because I am not good at looking up words in a concordance. How much does an concordance help understand Sun, Moon, Stars, dragon... does a concordance line up with the Spiritual meanings? I am serious. Because I am so confused. Am I insane, or does the WORD make sense more and more everyday???

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hebrews 10:19 "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh". VJ no need to pause, his flesh is resurrected flesh, he is spiritual. and that flesh is his BODY. and we are his body, the church. the new LIVING way is no longer carnal but spiritual.
today we need no priest to go to we are apart of him, spiritually speaking. 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit".

peace in Christ Jesus

The pause was to praise what He has done for us. I went back and read Hebrews last night and it brought such comfort. It is like reading it for the first time every time. Anew. I am left speechless.

Hebrews 10:17-23 KJV
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [21] And having an high priest over the house of God; [22] Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. [23] Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

 

[101G]

@VJ, "Look, I ask you what may seem like silly questions but I have no one else to ask".
the only silly question, is the one NOT ASKED. when it comes to the word of God we all come short, but if something is said that may help, thank God and no one else. we are to help one another to the best of our ability. and NO, I don't have all the answers, I'm learning as everyone else are. only God knows everything, and we can only asks for his guidance. now to your questions. I hope I can be a help. this is only by take on what you are asking, so nothing is set in stone ok.

Spiritual or physical?
Isaiah 63:2-3 KJV
[2] Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

both, because his garment was his venture, or the body he put on to work in. he had a dirty Job to do, deal with sin. scripture, Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God". Isaiah 59:17 "For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke". a "GARMENT" of vengeance?, where can you buy that at?. read your commentaries on these scriptures which can help you there also. but his body is real and the the winepress is the analogy of his overcoming his enemies, hence the warfare, which is spiritual.

Physical or spiritual?
Revelation 14:18-20 KJV
[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Physical, for this is The harvest of the world, the END, not at the sign at his coming, which is different. understand the sign of his coming, and (his actual G3952 παρουσία parousia) itself, is not the same event. these event are REAL, the "Sign" and his actual coming. here, it's the separation of the wicked from the remaining righteous,

Physical or Spiritual?
Revelation 19:17-18 KJV
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

the wording is spiritual, but of an actual event, as a analogy to what is physical. for the warfare is Spiritual. just keep on read from the 17 verse and see.

Physical or Spiritual? I say there is a reason the quail came up and covered the camp. same as the dew that lay round about the host.
Exodus 16:13 KJV
[13] And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.

Physical, with Spiritual implications.

Judges 6:36-38 KJV
[36] And Gideon said unto God, If thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said, [37] Behold, I will put a fleece of wool in the floor; and if the dew be on the fleece only, and it be dry upon all the earth beside , then shall I know that thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said. [38] And it was so: for he rose up early on the morrow, and thrust the fleece together, and wringed the dew out of the fleece, a bowl full of water.

signs and wonders, God had already told him that he would save Israel, but the thing was "by his hand". with men then, as now, belief not mixed with faith. so both

Before anyone freaks out. I am not saying the physical accounts or history is...a made-up story. I believe it all happened and will happen as the LORD says. But The LORD also speaks through the lives of His people and...He always speaks of the Lamb. Jesus Christ.

I agree.

I am curious 101 because I am not good at looking up words in a concordance. How much does an concordance help understand Sun, Moon, Stars, dragon... does a concordance line up with the Spiritual meanings? I am serious. Because I am so confused. Am I insane, or does the WORD make sense more and more everyday???

a concordance is good, as well as several dictionaries, but the final authority is God himself. see, a concordance, dictionaries are only aides. they help you get the general understanding, but it is the wisdom of God that "GIVES" you the answer. and since you are serious, scripture, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. BUT LISTEN, James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed".

hope this helps you.

 

[rstrats]

VictoryinJesus,
re: "If anyone else has scripture they want to present before the brethern for feedback yet they don't want to begin a new thread, this is the place. This thread is open to any topic; open to any scripture that causes questions."



In Matthew 12:40 the Messiah says that He will spend 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth". Is there any scripture that explains what He means by "heart of the earth"?

 

[101G]

VictoryinJesus,
re: "If anyone else has scripture they want to present before the brethern for feedback yet they don't want to begin a new thread, this is the place. This thread is open to any topic; open to any scripture that causes questions."



In Matthew 12:40 the Messiah says that He will spend 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth". Is there any scripture that explains what He means by "heart of the earth"?

Hell, or the place of the dead under the old covenant. This is in reference to Jonah in the great fish belly

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Question:
Zechariah 8:22-23 KJV
[22] Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord . [23] Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass , that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Him that is a Jew...is Jesus.
athority is in the hem of the skirt.
10 is the number of: perfect.
Why 10 men take hold of the skirt of him that Is a Jew?


Ruth 3:9 KJV
[9] And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.


Matthew 9:20-21 KJV
[20] And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him , and touched the hem of his garment: [21] For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.


Matthew 14:36 KJV
[36] And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

In Matthew 12:40 the Messiah says that He will spend 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth". Is there any scripture that explains what He means by "heart of the earth"?

Yes, 101 said it is a reference to Jonah in the fishes belly. But you asked about "the heart of the earth?" The "heart of the earth" is "the deep"


Jonah 2:2-5 KJV
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord , and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. [3] For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. [4] Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. [5] The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

Romans 10:7 KJV
[7] Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Ezekiel 26:19-20 KJV
[19] For thus saith the Lord God ; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; [20] When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;

 

[bbyrd009]

One gives insight to the other though.

indeed, yes.

 

[bbyrd009]

Do quails come from the sea?
Never mind.

i've seen you note this before, and at the risk of muddying the waters--because i think Gill was a religious scribe--i'll quote him here:

and brought quails from the sea;
the Red sea, from the coasts of it, not out of it. Josephus F20 says, there were great numbers of this sort of fowl about the gulf of Arabia; and Diodorus Siculus F21 says, near Rhinocalura, a place not far from those parts, quails in flocks were brought from the sea, which the people caught and lived upon. After Job Ludolphus, who has wrote a learned dissertation on locusts, many are of opinion with him, that locusts are intended here, and think that what is hereafter related best agrees with them

 

[bbyrd009]

10 is the number of: perfect.

um, don't think so, wadr. It is a "perfect number" according to the definitions of maths, yes, but prolly not God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

i've seen you note this before, and at the risk of muddying the waters--because i think Gill was a religious scribe--i'll quote him here:

and brought quails from the sea;
the Red sea, from the coasts of it, not out of it. Josephus F20 says, there were great numbers of this sort of fowl about the gulf of Arabia; and Diodorus Siculus F21 says, near Rhinocalura, a place not far from those parts, quails in flocks were brought from the sea, which the people caught and lived upon. After Job Ludolphus, who has wrote a learned dissertation on locusts, many are of opinion with him, that locusts are intended here, and think that what is hereafter related best agrees with them

1 Kings 4: 33
And he spake of trees, from the cedar tree that is in Lebanon even unto the hyssop that springeth out of the wall: he spake also of beasts, and of fowl, and of creeping things, and of fishes.

King Solomon spoke of these things and they came to hear? To hear what? A bunch of rambling about things they already understood and saw in their line of vision? To hear what: about trees and hyssop and beast and fowl, and creeping things and of fishes.

It is strange how discounted these things are when others came to hear Solomon's wisdom. In Ezekiel, the prophet speaks the parable of the cedar of Lebanon. I can't convince you. It is not about quail. It is about meat and fowls and beast and blood sacrifices, and God's passing through the cut pieces to establish a covenant; God's provision. There is a spiritual meaning there. Every word of God is Spirit.

I will leave you with this though: you tend to lean toward things having a meaning more spiritual than physical, am I wrong? For instance: regarding end times? Keep this in mind: Mark 13: 2 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." The stones were thrown down both physically and spiritually. One does not diminish the other. They both are evident.

 

[bbyrd009]

I can't convince you. It is not about quail. It is about meat and fowls and beast and blood sacrifices, and God's passing through the cut pieces to establish a covenant; God's provision. There is a spiritual meaning there. Every word of God is Spirit.

i agree there, i am just not grasping the intent of "quail from the sea" that you are seeing yet. The fact that many of the Wanderers died from this meat seems to be making a different point, although i might be misunderstanding that

 

[VictoryinJesus]

i agree there, i am just not grasping the intent of "quail from the sea" that you are seeing yet. The fact that many of the Wanderers died from this meat seems to be making a different point, although i might be misunderstanding that

No I don't think you are misunderstanding. It is me having trouble verbalizing what I see. Easier said...forget the quail. In some way; whether revealing the sin nature of man or the redeeming power of the LORD. It all points to Christ.

 

[Helen]

@VictoryinJesus

Ten = The Law and Testing.

Ten is the number shown ....as in the Ten Commandments , the law of tithe, the Ten talents, and 10 Virgins etc

7 is the number of perfection.... = 7 days of creation , etc etc

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus

Ten = The Law and Testing.

Ten is the number shown ....as in the Ten Commandments , the law of tithe, the Ten talents, and 10 Virgins etc

7 is the number of perfection.... = 7 days of creation , etc etc

Thank you:)

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, you gave yourself the answer, Romans 10:7 KJV.

Yes, 101 said it is a reference to Jonah in the fishes belly. But you asked about "the heart of the earth?" The "heart of the earth" is "the deep"

I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, but .......... scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:4 "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures". Psalms 16:10 "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption".
Ezekiel 26:19-20 KJV: that's a water depth, deep/abyss. see Genesis 1:2.