RAPTURE....DENIERS

[Dave L]

Another Fabricated Lie. I said no such thing.

It's part of your scheme whether you mention it or not. Many sell the goods without making full disclosure of all that their theory involves.

 

[Taken]

Capitalizing the Part that You Had to Add does not make it Truth tho, ok

It does not have to be YOUR TRUTH...but it is MY TRUTH.

Noah was saved and lifted up above the earth, And destruction was upon the earth.

Jesus was lifted up above the earth, and He is my example of what to expect.

I am saved and shall be lifted up above the Earth, And destruction shall come upon the earth.

And as in the day of Noah, many will be unprepared and oblivious to how or why they are in the middle of the destruction.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

It's part of your scheme whether you mention it or not. Many sell the goods without making full disclosure of all that their theory involves.

Dave...try being honest and stop speaking your crap for other people.

You do this over and over and over and it does nothing but reveal you are a Fabricator.

 

[Taken]

SIX pages.....and not one Denier has accomplished...

Please give your Scriptural evidence of WHERE you will be, WHOM you will be with, WHAT you will be seeing, and WHEN and WHY.

Not surprised...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

But you need scripture to teach scripture. You have none teaching what you teach except passages you engineer to fit your theory.

You have a lot of verses presented to you and all you can say is no no no no no.

 

[CoreIssue]

In the New Heavens and Earth forever. Not for a measly 1000 years in germ infested earth.

The exacting land in that covenant is laid out in the Old Testament. It is not in eternity.

You just keep revealing more and more are you study is doctrine, not the Bible.

 

[Naomi25]

1 First Resurrection for the saints, 2nd for the damned. Stated in Rev

Seriously? Just, "in Rev"....
It's no wonder you don't quote actual scripture to back yourself up...

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. -Revelation 20:4–6

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:14

“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. -John 5:25–29

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins...
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— Ephesians 2:1, 5

The second death is the Lake of fire. The first resurrection is avoiding the Lake of fire...it is 'coming to life and reigning with Christ'. John 5 and Eph 2 tell us that when we accept Christ...hear his voice...we 'live'...he 'makes us alive in him'. And when we come alive in him, we avoid the second death. The first resurrection.

The bible doesn't specifically mention a "second resurrection". This is because the "first resurrection" is not a bodily resurrection at all...it is a spiritual one of believers. All mentions, therefore, of "the resurrection", in scripture, are, in fact, talking about this 'second' resurrection...the resurrection from the dead of all, some to everlasting life, some to everlasting torment:

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:11–15

 

[CoreIssue]

Seriously? Just, "in Rev"....
It's no wonder you don't quote actual scripture to back yourself up...

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. -Revelation 20:4–6

The second coming. Just before the millennial kingdom.

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:14

The great White throne judgment after the millennial kingdom and after the destruction of the heavens and earth. 1000 years after the second coming.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. -John 5:25–29

The rapture just before the Tribulation Period.

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins...
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— Ephesians 2:1, 5

Being born again.

The second death is the Lake of fire. The first resurrection is avoiding the Lake of fire...it is 'coming to life and reigning with Christ'. John 5 and Eph 2 tell us that when we accept Christ...hear his voice...we 'live'...he 'makes us alive in him'. And when we come alive in him, we avoid the second death. The first resurrection.

The first resurrection last on the for rapture just before the Tribulation Period and goes until the end of time.

The bible doesn't specifically mention a "second resurrection". This is because the "first resurrection" is not a bodily resurrection at all...it is a spiritual one of believers. All mentions, therefore, of "the resurrection", in scripture, are, in fact, talking about this 'second' resurrection...the resurrection from the dead of all, some to everlasting life, some to everlasting torment:

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:11–15

Revelation 20:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theya]">[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) The second resurrection This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I have posted numerous verses to you and you always avoid them, wander off into unrelated subjects and constantly repeat yourself.

After a while it becomes futility and a waste of time.

 

[historyb]

I deny the Rapture, Dispensationalism, and all the silliness that goes with it.

 

[Naomi25]

Revelation 20:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theya]">[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) The second resurrection This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I have posted numerous verses to you and you always avoid them, wander off into unrelated subjects and constantly repeat yourself.

After a while it becomes futility and a waste of time.

Well, if you quote scripture like this...by adding words to try and prove your point, then it's no wonder I "avoid" them.
Except, I debate that conclusion. Your actual use of scripture is scant, and when you do use scripture, I reply with scripture of my own to debate your conclusion. If I "wander off into unrelated subjects" then I wonder why it offends you so? Surely such nonsensical replies should be easy to laugh off?
No...I think if you look back my replies and scriptural posts are on topic. And, unlike yourself, they attempt to support my opinion with more than just posturing.

 

[CoreIssue]

I deny the Rapture, Dispensationalism, and all the silliness that goes with it.

Catholic

 

[CoreIssue]

Well, if you quote scripture like this...by adding words to try and prove your point, then it's no wonder I "avoid" them.
Except, I debate that conclusion. Your actual use of scripture is scant, and when you do use scripture, I reply with scripture of my own to debate your conclusion. If I "wander off into unrelated subjects" then I wonder why it offends you so? Surely such nonsensical replies should be easy to laugh off?
No...I think if you look back my replies and scriptural posts are on topic. And, unlike yourself, they attempt to support my opinion with more than just posturing.

And you make no point and reach no conclusion

 

[historyb]

Catholic

Nope. Charismatic Episcopal Church

 

[Naomi25]

And you make no point and reach no conclusion

Oh, I've made plenty of points and conclusions! I'm sorry if you missed them, but they're all still there if you care to go back and work through the scriptures I gave to back them up. One of them is that you have no argument because you have no way to support it.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. -Hebrews 4:12

We do not just use scripture to support our argument, we do so for other reasons. The Word of God is living and breathing! Even if my conclusions are wrong, if I post his word, it will not return void. Some good will come of it. And I show that my hope is to bend my opinion to the shape of scripture, not the other way around.
When you post nothing but your opinion you do no benefit to your argument because it is not supported, and you do not show you are hoping to submit your opinion or argument to a higher authority. You say 'this is what I think and its good enough because I think it'.
I'm not sure if it's indicative of being too lazy to put together the scriptures to back your ideas, or if you just can't because they aren't there...

 

[CoreIssue]

Oh, I've made plenty of points and conclusions! I'm sorry if you missed them, but they're all still there if you care to go back and work through the scriptures I gave to back them up. One of them is that you have no argument because you have no way to support it.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. -Hebrews 4:12

We do not just use scripture to support our argument, we do so for other reasons. The Word of God is living and breathing! Even if my conclusions are wrong, if I post his word, it will not return void. Some good will come of it. And I show that my hope is to bend my opinion to the shape of scripture, not the other way around.
When you post nothing but your opinion you do no benefit to your argument because it is not supported, and you do not show you are hoping to submit your opinion or argument to a higher authority. You say 'this is what I think and its good enough because I think it'.
I'm not sure if it's indicative of being too lazy to put together the scriptures to back your ideas, or if you just can't because they aren't there...

You just said a lot without saying anything.

 

[Phoneman777]

RAPTURE

Christ's Church being caught up to the Lord in the Clouds, Above the Earth;

1 Thes 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Before the 7 year Tribulation Begins, As John revealed where he Was when he Saw what was to come.

John- a man in Christ.
John- a man in Christs Church
John- a servant of Jesus, the man
John- a servant of God
John- a man given testimony
John- a man given a preview of things to come.

Rev 1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 4
[1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2] And immediately I was in the spirit:

Rev 5
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

No man IN Heaven, IN Earth, Under the Earth.........WAS there to OPEN the BOOK of the SEVEN SEALS......

TO BEGIN the 7 year Tribulation...
....which BEGINS with the OPENING of the SEVEN SEALS....
....which BEGINS the WRATH of the LAMB.

So...WHERE IS THIS MAN...(not in Heaven, not in the Earth, not under the Earth)....?

Scripture already TOLD US...
He is IN THE CLOUDS/AIR...with HIS CHURCH.

And WHO is THIS MAN, who is NOT in Heaven, Not In Earth, Not Under the Earth, and descended from the Heaven, to the Clouds?

John 1:
[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

I submit, John's testimony is true.
I submit, Jesus' testimony is true...
I shall be called up to Jesus, in the clouds,
I shall be lifted UP, whole, body,soul,spirit
I shall SEE the Angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
I shall be forever with the Lord, the Christ
....AND all others who are IN Christ.


RAPTURE DENIERS

WHEN the 7 year Tribulation BEGINS...

Please give your Scriptural evidence of WHERE you will be, WHOM you will be with, WHAT you will be seeing, and WHEN and WHY.

Glory to God,
Taken

There is no "7 years of tribulation" in Scripture. The last week of Daniel's 70 have been fulfilled by Christ.

When Christ comes "as a thief in the night", Peter says every single element on the periodic table will be incinerated...which means those of you who insist that life will continue another 7 years down here are as messed up in your science as are those of the Flat Earth Society.

 

[Naomi25]

You just said a lot without saying anything.

I said that God's word is essential. It's essential to our doctrines, it's essential to forming them and it's essential to proving them. How is that saying nothing?
Of course...if you disagree with me....?

 

[Taken]

There is no "7 years of tribulation" in Scripture.

Okay. Thanks for your testimony.

The last week of Daniel's 70 have been fulfilled by Christ.

Okay. Thanks.


9:27
[27] And "he" shall "confirm the covenant" with "many" for one week: and in the midst of the week "he" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations "he" shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the "desolate."

WHO is "he" who shall confirm a covenant?
WHAT is "the Confimed Covenant"
WHEN "was" this covenant confirmed?
WHO is "many"
WHEN was DID "the Covenant" cease?
WHO is "he" who shall make desolate?
WHEN did "he" already make it desolate?
WHO are the "desolate"?
WHEN was "poured" upon the "desolate"?
WHAT was "poured" upon the "desolate"?

IF you could copy the questions, and simply give your direct on point brief answers, that would be very helpful in making your understanding clear.

When Christ comes "as a thief in the night", Peter says every single element on the periodic table will be incinerated...

When Christ "comes"....
FROM WHERE?
TO
WHERE?

which means those of you who insist that life will continue another 7 years down here

I can not answer for what you say.

are as messed up in "your science" as are those of the Flat Earth Society.

Why are you making an accusation toward me? I Didn't say...

that life will continue another 7 years down here...
Didn't mention science.
Didn't mention a flat earth

Try to stick to exactly what another person DOES SAY, instead of what YOU THINK they said.

Can you answer the questions IN YOUR WORDS?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

The exacting land in that covenant is laid out in the Old Testament. It is not in eternity.

You just keep revealing more and more are you study is doctrine, not the Bible.

Jesus says Israel's restoration takes place in the New Heavens and earth, not before.

 

[Dave L]

You have a lot of verses presented to you and all you can say is no no no no no.

Verses severed from their context are not being used truthfully by you and other "Dispies".