The Light
Well-Known Member
I detect a pitiful note of disdain for the truth. Wise up brother, He is at the door for His bride. The time is very, very, very short.
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Not a drop of disdain but rather great rejoicing in Hebrews 9:28 which correlates to 1 John 3:1-3 which correlates with 1 Corinthians ch15,
which correlates with 1 Thess 4:13-18 which correlates with Matthew 24:29-31 which correlates with Daniel ch12
You better listen UP to the words of God - Revelation 10:7
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”
The more you look for a pre-trib rapture that God never promised, the more likely you will be in grave danger when the false raptures start occurring.
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.
“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Currently, you are believing a lie called pre-trib rapture.
Last edited:
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Always know that there is no disdain in my heart for you since we are Brothers in Christ.
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
You believe a lie called the post trib Second Coming.
Jesus and the angels will be on earth during the GT. It is called the final harvest in Matthew 13. The GT is the calling out of Israel from all Nations, per Matthew 25.
Did you not notice that Jesus and the angels are on the earth prior to all being dead? Those 10 virgins were not already dead and 6 feet under when the groom appeared. They all were alive on the earth, and 5 of them hanging out still on the earth after the Second Coming. (My hunch is that 5 represent the church, and 5 represent Israel. Some poster today want all 10 to be "Spiritual Israel" and half are backslidden) When the Lord came to hand out rewards all of them were still on the earth, not dead. When Jesus comes as King, he sits on His throne in Jerusalem. Thousands are still alive on the earth after that point.
All on earth are dead at Armageddon. Sorry but no one is hiding out in the Antarctica waiting to be rewarded after Armageddon. There is no one alive to reward or seperate between sheep and goats. Armageddon is not the Second Coming. The 6th Seal is the Second Coming, and then the GT starts.
If you think you will still remain alive at the battle of Armageddon, you will have the mark of the beast. Only those who literally chopped off their heads escaped the mark. No one is on earth still deciding who to serve, God or Satan, at that point. Even the 2 witnesses were killed, then resurrected, and ascended to heaven prior to Armageddon.
Even those who think that is the church alive and remain would still not be alive and remain at Armageddon. According to John and Revelation, without surgically moving all of Revelation around into some twisted pretzel, it is logically and physically impossible to be alive and redeemed on earth at Armageddon. So Armageddon is not the Second Coming. Paul said the rapture and Second Coming happen at the same time. John declares Jesus on earth at the 6th Seal. Those on earth see the Lamb physically present among them, and are trying to hide from the Lamb. John never uses the term Second Coming nor rapture. Probably because he is a witness to the over use, and misuse rampant in the church today.
You do realize John was doing the writing? After chapter 4, God was showing him the events, not telling him what to write. Many claim he used OT symbolism a lot. That does not mean he was plagiarizing OT prophecy. He was not seeing the same visions they did. He was literally seeing events happen, and the worse case scenario of those events. Then he wrote down these events in his style of explanation.
Last edited:
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
So you are saying that the LORD Jesus Christ is a liar................Matthew ch24
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Revelation 10:7
The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
Follow the WORD
Ignore human logistics
No Pre-TB
Well-Known Member
Don't you go off world for 7 years before anything bad happens? That doesn't seem like needing a light before the darkness comes.
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
I did, and do. Not the GT. After the tribulation of those days. The church has had tribulation nonstop for 1993 years, since Stephen was stoned to death. So, yes when that tribulation stops the church is no longer around.
You left out those next few words: of those days.
The Second Coming is the 6th Seal. Now you can change what John claimed, and then call him a liar if you want, but neither lied. They just don't go by your wrong interpretation.
It is your human logistics that I am ignoring for the Word of God.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
100% TRUE = the Second Coming is revealed in the 6th Seal
Make sure that you do not ignore or twist these words of God:
The actual Resurrection and Rapture takes place at the LAST TRUMP = Matt ch24 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , Revelation 10:7
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Not at the last trump in Revelation. The same trump can be heard more than once. You could claim the Cross happens at the last Trump as well by that logic. The Cross was part of the mystery of God.
The revealing of the Second Coming is the actual Second Coming. It is a thief in the night moment. Not a moment that is at the end of a bunch of announcements.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Keyword - "finished"
We have progressed past the actuation/fulfillment of the Cross.
Revelation is looking Forward to =
"in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound,
the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets." - Rev 10:7
What OT Prophets/Prophecy comes to your mind when we look forward to the Mystery of God being FINISHED?
Last edited:
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Yes, Daniel's 70 weeks are finished when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.
Yes, Adam's 6,000 years of punishment are finished when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
What OT Prophets/Prophecy comes to your mind when we look forward to the Mystery of God being FINISHED?
Hint = Daniel chapter 12
Also, there are no more 70 weeks = only the remainder of the 70th week
This is why the Last Trumpet is the 7th
Last edited:
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
CORRECT
Exodus 35:1-3
Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord.
Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”
We are in the 70th week where no man can work = the Day of REST has come = Salvation = Yashua HaMoshiach
the mystery of God will be finished in it at the 7th and Last Trumpet = Daniel 12:1-3 = Resurrection Time
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
The 70th week is Jesus Christ the King. It is not the Day of the Lord. It will not even be a full 7 years, much less a thousand years. The 70 weeks end, and then the Millennium starts, the Day of the Lord.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
The 70th week began with the Lords Ministry which lasted 3.5 years.
The remainder of the week is on hold until the Gospel is preached throughout the world in accordance with the Father's Will in Heaven being done on earth.
When that is accomplished, and according to the Will of the Father, the Antichrist will be revealed.
When the LORD Returns HE Resurrects the dead in Him followed by the Rapture and HE destroys the Antichrist and the kings of the earth and their armies = 2 Thess ch2 , Zechariah ch14
The 1,000 literal Year Reign Begins with the Resurrection of His Transformed Glorified Saints ruling with Him.
Last edited:
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Now if you only accepted Jesus comes at the 6th Seal, you would be on target with Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 25:31-46 . Matthew 25 being the Trumpets, and Matthew 13 being the Thunders.
Similar threads
