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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Enow, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 6:
    14 β€œFor if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
     
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    That's the problem people have by believing what is written but not in context. You are not reading what is written previous to your verses, nor what comes immediately after. Romans 7 is the stumbling man does with only the Law of Moses before Christ gives us His Spirit.

    Romans 7:13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. Why the stumbling? Sin in them.

    Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
     
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    21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
    23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
    1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    Why, according to this text, is there now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus?

    Much love!
     
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    I just told you. The difference is THE SPIRIT frees us from sin. THE LAW was weak through the flesh with sin still in it.
     
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    Once again, running that race which is what discipleship is all about is not about obtaining salvation but the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be received by the Bridegroom as a vessel unto honor in His House.

    Luke 21 chapter is to be taken as Matthew 24 chapter where you have to use discernment to know which answer Jesus is giving to the 3 questions His disciples had asked of Him. #1 When that temple they were seeing will be thrown down, the signs of these shall come to pass in Luke 21 but in Matthew 24, there are 3 questions. #1 When the temple will be thrown down #2 what sign shall there be of His coming & #3 the end of the world.

    Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

    Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    Once again, you have to confer with all of His words regarding His answers to His disciples to know what He is talking about, and I believe Luke 21:33-36 is a warning to believers to be ready because there is no way a Jew, let alone a Christian would be ensnared by the cares of this life, the temptation to surfeit and drunkenness in the time of the great tribulation when you need the mark of the beast to be able to do those things.

    So no. Luke 21:33-36 is for the times we are living in when those things can ensnare us to a point that we prefer this life than to give it up for the King's Supper as demonstrated in Luke 14:15-24. There are other warnings to believers including Luke 12:40-49 about being cut off from Him for not being ready and they will get stripes for the measure of knowledge for why they were not ready. 1 Corinthians 9:24-26 has Paul citing becoming a castaway is also a risk he is under if he did not bring his body under subjection and so there is more than the loss of rewards of crowns there.

    Jesus said those not abiding in Him & His words will be cut off; John 15:4-8 So this is about discipleship in running that race.

    You lost me there in expounding on Luke 21 of what Jesus has said.

    That passage of Luke 21:33-36 is about being ready for the rapture in being willing to go by not having your treasure down here where your heart is.

    in Christ's Love,

    Enow
     
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    It is not about justification but about running that race; about discipleship in abiding in Him and His words to be found not in iniquity to be ready to go.

    The fact that 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 mirrors what Jesus will do literally to the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2:21-23 to cast them into the bed of the great tribulation when Satan will wage war on the saints should give you pause.

    And the Marriage Supper in Heaven? If we are not to eat with a brother living in sin or unrepentant sin, for why the church should excommunicate, what do you think God is going to do with those saved believers living in sin or unrepentant sin as 1 Corinthians 5:8-13 ?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Actually . . . what I said was, when we walk in the Spirit we don't commit sins.

    I mean Any sins.

    A walk in the Spirit does not produce sin.

    You are the one who separates sins into catagories, I do not.

    Much love!
     
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    I know what you said, and I understood your meaning, but how is it that the person walking in the Spirit in 1 John 1:7 who was already cleansed of all their sin, Jesus is still cleansing sin that you believe is not being committed? It is because he was cleansed of all WILLFUL sins of LAWLESSNESS, not unintentional trespasses. John has already told us in 1 John 5:16-17 that there are two kinds of sin - take it or leave it.
     
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    There are the works we do as a result of our faith, and there are the works of the flesh.

    And all sin is of the flesh, and is not of faith.

    When we walk in faith we walk in grace and we do not sin.

    When we fail to walk in faith, failing to walk in the Spirit, then the works of the flesh result.

    All that is from the flesh is sin.

    Yes, I'm very "binary" on this. There is what is of the Spirit, and the rest is sin. Because if it's not from the Spirit, through the New Creation, then it is from the old creation, the corrupted child of Adam.

    You also teach a very binary view, in your case, that we are either one or the other, either we are wicked and bent toward evil in our depravity, or we are sinless in all we think and do, with the exception of what you call unintentional sins, trespasses commited unknowingly, such as walking across an unmarked property line.

    By your definition, I'm not born again. I am bent towards evil, and nothing I do is of God, or accepted by Him. So there ya go! At the end of the day, your definition rules out as born again anyone who admits that they sin.

    Now . . . I don't dispute or object to the life experience you are talking about, living without any consciousness of sin. And I don't mean just being ignorant to what I'm doing, I mean living life spontaneously moment by moment doing what is good, and without the interuptions of sin in thought, word, or deed.

    But I take away a very different understanding, which I believe is closer to what the Bible teaches, is more the heart of God, and very illuminating to the life I've experienced up to now.

    I think most people grow into that faith, but I also believe that in times of specific need, God simply grants that faith.

    Much love!
     
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    What I'm saying is that there are different ways to understand what this cleansing is. It might be understood to be cleansing from sin so that we are not sinning. It can be cleansing from the results or effects of sins we do commit.

    Towards the "sin unto death" that we are to not pray for, while I understand your argument of what that means, I don't find it compelling, and I don't find it agreeable to much that seems to me to be plainly and emphatically stated.

    I wonder that the sin unto death is something different, something not related to being a child of God. Much like in Hebrews where it says something like, I'm thinking different things of you, things that accompany salvation. Something like that. Your answer makes as much sense as any I've heard on that passage, but it seems to be against everything I read about our salvation.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Let's go back. I'm posting the context. There is therefore now no condemnation . . .

    Therefore . . . therefore why? Why is there now no condemnation? The answer is not what comes after, but what comes before "therefore".

    Much love!
     
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    Sorry! I think I misunderstood the way you were using "hoping", I re-read what you wrote and it clicked into place.

    Anyway, gotta run, spent all my time on other posts, but I'm looking forward to reading the rest of yours in the morning.

    Great discussions!

    Much love!
     
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    Yes, Paul wrote of the Spirit before in Romans 7:6, and then went on to explain why the law kept only with our carnal flesh had problems. The verses in from 14-23 is the problem with only the law. And 13 tells us why - SIN.

    6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
     
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    Thank you for the kind response where we can discuss without arguing.

    Okay with that said,what is sin?It's the transgression of the law,correct?

    I John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

    Did you get that? "Sin is the transgression of the law." Many churches teach that the law is done away with, but that is not what John nor Jesus said. That is dangerous talk. Then there are others that spiritualize this, and say that someone in Christ doesn't chose to do anything that isn't righteous.

    Sin is the transgression, or breaking of the law. The church world today goes from some that totally disregard the law, to those that place a strict bondage of the law to where there is no freedom in Christ. However those that are the most spiritual sick are those that label things that are natural as a sin. God created man and woman, and God made man for woman, and woman for man, and God made each of them attractive to each other. The woman is God's gift to man, and to admire the beauty of a attractive lady is not a sin. That is a natural thing in what God has created, and it is part of the plan of God.

    My friend, when you become baptized and go under the water, when you come up from that water, those natural instincts that God has placed in all men and women will still be there, and that is why we study God's Word so we can keep our emotions under control and disciplined. God's Word sets the standards that God accepts, not some board of deacons. When you falter, repent and get back on course. As long as you live in the flesh, you will have the emotions and temptations of the flesh. Learn from God's Word what is sin, and not sin and don't let others put a guilt trip on you, when it is uncalled for.

    It is not alright to sin. The law was given as our schoolmaster, and when Christ came to earth He did not destroy the law, but He fulfilled it. Christ was the capstone on the old, and just as it was the schoolmaster, it is still the schoolmaster. The law tells you what will get you into trouble, while you are living in the flesh. So because transgression against the law is sin, obviously the law cannot be done away with. All of God's laws are in effect, accept those blood ordinances that are not laws. They are statutes that have to do with those ordinances. Christ's blood fulfilled all those requirements, and in and through repentance to the Father in Jesus Christ's name, the blood of Christ blots out the Father's judgment of you for those sins. Christ's blood takes the place of those blood sacrifices.

    Many of the laws are warnings to the dangerous things that can happen to you when these laws are disregarded. One who turns his back to Sodomy these days, generally finds himself with a incurable disease. Even though repentance is sought for those wicked acts, the person still must pay the price for his actions in them. When a person sets out to rob another person, many times the victim has a weapon and wounds or kills that attacker. This is right according to God's law, yet the robber is sent to the heavenly Father to account for his actions in the flesh body. What I am drawing attention to is the fact that when you break God's laws, there is a price to pay, in most cases, even if there is repentance for that act at a later date.

    Now lets review this verse; When you sin, you are breaking the law, because sin is the breaking of the laws of God. If there was no law, there would be no sin, because you simply can not transgress that law that doesn't exist. It is only a fool that would say that we have no sin in this mixed up world today.

    I John 3:5 "And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin."

    Why did Jesus Christ the Son of God come to this earth in the flesh? Our answer is right here in this verse; "to take away our sins." Jesus paid a very heavy price for your sin, however to you it is free upon repentance.

    I John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him."

    If you don't watch it, this verse can put you on quite a guilt trip. You could say, I sin all the time, every day, does that mean I don't know Him? No, My Friend, this word for sin is the word for habitual sinning. One that just does not care for God, or any part of His laws, love or salvation. The habitual sinner could care less about the things of God, His Word, or any desire to seek after the ways of our Lord.

    I John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous."

    You keep people from deceiving you by staying in the Word, and placing it in your mind. Righteousness is to do those things that are right, and according to God's Word. As long as you want to try to do that which is right, though you fall short, when you have Christ, and the Spirit of God within you, and you repent you will be righteous. The heavenly Father will accept you as righteous, for your credentials is the blood of Christ, our advocate with the Father.
     
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    Riddle me this.Who but Christians can be deceived?

    I mean you think satan is in whore or drug houses?No ,he already got them!!!
    Christians will go from the virgin to a whore,why do you think it is written,come out of her my people? You all keep looking for this rapture and you will,not maybe,but you will be deceived.Not my words but as written ,you wanna believe the lie,He's gonna send you a strong delusion

    That's why judgement starts at the pulpit.
     
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    Yes, we run that race by the same grace of God that we have been saved by our faith in Him as our Savior, by running that race by our hope in Him as our Good Shepherd to understand and discern by His words to abide in Him as His disciples so we can bear fruits so that our joy may be full.

    We run that race by hoping in Jesus Christ thus living by faith in Jesus Christ and all His promises to us as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him.

    This is not done by keeping a commitment or promise to Jesus in following Him.

    1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

    Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

    Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

    Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

    Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

    John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? .......

    John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

    2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

     
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    It is all about how you run that race, brother.

    We run that race by hoping in Jesus Christ thus living by faith in Jesus Christ and all His promises to us as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him.

    This is not done by keeping a commitment or promise to Jesus in following Him.

    1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

    Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

    Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

    Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

    Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

    John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? .......

    John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

    2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    There is therefore now no condemnation . . .

    Therefore . . . therefore why? Why is there now no condemnation? The answer is not what comes after, but what comes before "therefore".

    Much love!

    I'm sorry, I don't mean to be badgering you . . . just the same, there is something significant here I think, and it's brought out in this word "therefore".

    With the mind I serve the law of God, and with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore no condemnation.

    These two sentenced are linked into cause and effect by "therefore".

    Much love!
     
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    Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.... 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

    There is no condemnation to those who do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit...

    If a saved believer sows to the works of the flesh, they will reap corruption and be worse than they were as sinners before they were saved.

    2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    So there will be condemnation to those who walk after the flesh instead of walking after the Spirit for that is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House.

    Added Doug's quote and my response as it does tie in with this truth.

    There are 2 ways for Him to confirm us unto the end, as a vessel unto honor in His House for those abiding in Him and His words or as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not abiding in Him & His words. Walking in darkness runs the risk of not being part of the firstfruits of the resurrection as vessels unto honor to be received when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride of Christ, but cut off and left behind to be resurrected later on after the great tribulation, but both are in His House and that depends on how we build on that foundation which Jesus will judge.

    So there is a terror of the Lord to take heed of for why Jesus warned believers to be ready or else in "when" & "how" we will be received, brother.

    2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    Believers will be cut off for not abiding in Him, but in spite of the weeping and gnashing of their teeth over being left behind, this is why God will wipe the tears from their eyes since a miracle will be needed to get past that great loss for being damned forever as that vessel unto dishonor In His House, but that is the Lord confirming them unto the end. Why are there vessels unto dishonor in His House? To testify to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him, even in His name as that is God confirming the least in the kingdom of God.

    Matthew 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    So does a believer feel "lucky" to continue to live in sin?

    Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Hebrews 12: 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
    4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

    The prodigal son is still son in spite of giving up his inheritance for wild living, but the loss is still there for he can never get that first inheritance back just like Esau could not.
     
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    So you are saying as long as you serve God in your mind, it doesn't matter what your flesh does because there is now no condemnation? I know some believe that, but you don't do you?
     
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