farouk
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Great verse there!Worth repeating. “death swallowed up in victory.”
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Great verse there!Worth repeating. “death swallowed up in victory.”
You keep saying the saving of Israel which you think are only Jew's,(another subject)what about the rest of the people in the world
Jew's need Christ just like all others,and just like all other's they won't be saved just because.
How so??
There are those who count themselves Christians but are not born from above, sorry but that should not be a difficult stretch or controversial. It's in scripture.What the heck does truly saved mean?
Not in Your mind. Jehovahs witness ? correct?You mean it is what you "read INTO the scriptures", instead of "read in the scriptures", don't you?
There is no pre-trib rapture written of in God's Holy Writ. Furthermore, Christ made it plain that His second coming and gathering of His Church is on the last day of this present world.
Memory ain't what it used to be?Produce one example. Prove you have direct scripture quotes for what you say.
You're simply misguided. You think those born of Israel will have some 'special' salvation unto themselves.
You really don't know what you're talking about, because the ten northern tribes of Israel never were known... by the title of Jew.
It’s good to know the great tribulation is over
I'm sorry if I made your question into something it was not, that was not my goal at all...I was only attempting to answer the question as I saw it...sorry if I got it wrong.
If I now go on and do the same, forgive, again...not my intent.
I know most Dispensationalists agree that Jewish people still must call on the name of Jesus to be saved. However, it is there that they draw the line and say what it appears you have above, that "it applies differently to different people". The problem with that is that the NT systematically demolishes it. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. -Galatians 3:25–28
Paul takes away any notion of there being 'two systems in Christ', if I can put it that way. He says we are "all one in Christ". But...in case there are those (for indeed there are) who fear that the promises made to Abraham and the nation of Israel are therefore not being fulfilled by God in this manner, Paul goes on to say:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. -Romans 9:6–8
I just told you who they are.So...not all Jews are "Israel", right? It's the "children of the promise" who are "counted as offspring". Who are the "children of promise"?
ALL who are Christ's are either the spiritual seed of Abraham (Gentiles saved by the Blood of the Lamb) OR Abraham's physical seed as well as Abraham's spiritual seed, if they belong to Christ.And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:29
So, you can see why there cannot be a 'separate' plan, or a 'difference in application' of the salvational plan according to scripture. There is Christ, and there are those who are growing from him, either naturally, or by being grafted there. Jews who believe in Christ are grafted in, just as the Gentiles were, and become Christians, members of the church.
But nowhere in scripture does Christ, or Paul, give us any sort of leave to say that any of these Jews who come to believe in Christ, become anything other then members of the Church, fellow believers like you and I, children of promise.
Bible Search: Rapturescriptural instances of rapture"...I honestly have no idea of what references you are speaking of.
Have someone do it for you.Memory ain't what it used to be?
ok, and you also cannot connect harpazo and rapture either right, or I mean list a Scriptural link and lemme see it. Is violent men seizing it by force something literal, that can be seen with two eyes?...I just simply....can't talk with you
Spiritual death, rightWorth repeating. “death swallowed up in victory.”
It hasn't changed -->Bible Search: Rapture
well, they haven't changed
Then you might ask yourself why none of those are xlated rapture, but instead "caught up," and go ask a black guy what "caught up" really means I guess.It hasn't changed -->
Bible Search: caught up
Why continue to perpetuate that same lame strategy of ignoring the facts of the definition that the word & it's origins and useage as has been given multiple times?
The word is rapturo in latin, harpazo in greek and it means catching up. All this has been posted several times but you pretend you it doesn't exist.
Lol! it might be time to pretend you don't exist and block your posts.
Can't remember huh?Have someone do it for you.
Another one who can't keep track of his own statements, or have we gone back in time?Then you might ask yourself why none of those are xlated rapture, but instead "caught up," and go ask a black guy what "caught up" really means I guess.
Or go find me one "harpazo" translated "rapture" from Scripture, which we both already know you can't do, and pls stop tagging me unless you can do so, ty
Around and around we go!
You: "You! You cannot make 1000 years longer than 1000 years! You are bad and non-literal and will cause all of biblical inerrancy to cease to be with your spiritualizing and evilness!"
Me: "Then how come you get to make 24 hours into 1000 years?"
You: "Because!"