Re Spirit baptism

[David in NJ]

marks said:
Water baptism was something the gentile did to become a Jew.

@marks is correct, as I understand it.
Baptism was already a part of Judaism before John the Baptist began baptizing in the wilderness.
They had an indoor baptistry pool. Article link below.

BAPTISM - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

water baptism in Judaism is called a 'mikvah'

mikvah, also spelled Mikveh, or Miqwe, (“collection [of water]”), in Judaism, a pool of natural water in which one bathes for the restoration of ritual purity. The Mishna (Jewish code of law) describes in elaborate detail the requirements for ritually proper water and for the quantity of water required for ritual cleansing. In former times, a mikvah was so essential to each community of Jews that, if necessary, a synagogue could be sold to finance its construction.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I acknowledged that in my post.

Much love!

water baptism in Judaism is called a 'mikvah'

mikvah, also spelled Mikveh, or Miqwe, (“collection [of water]”), in Judaism, a pool of natural water in which one bathes for the restoration of ritual purity. The Mishna (Jewish code of law) describes in elaborate detail the requirements for ritually proper water and for the quantity of water required for ritual cleansing. In former times, a mikvah was so essential to each community of Jews that, if necessary, a synagogue could be sold to finance its construction.

 

[St. SteVen]

water baptism in Judaism is called a 'mikvah'

Good research point, thanks.
I couldn't remember what it was called. (should have Googled it - LOL)

I need to start a thread on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit to challenge this one.
What do the Acts of the Apostles tell us about the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit from the book of Acts
Why didn't the baptized believers in Samaria receive the Holy Spirit?
My question that was ignored on this thread.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[DJT_47]

Good research point, thanks.
I couldn't remember what it was called. (should have Googled it - LOL)

I need to start a thread on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit to challenge this one.
What do the Acts of the Apostles tell us about the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit from the book of Acts
Why didn't the baptized believers in Samaria receive the Holy Spirit?
My question that was ignored on this thread.

FYI, there are already threads on the subject of spiritual gifts that I started posted on the theology forum.

 

[St. SteVen]

FYI, there are already threads on the subject of spiritual gifts that I started posted on the theology forum.

New beachhead here? - LOL
This is a topic on Spirit baptism. To challenge this one.

Do you have titles or links?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[DJT_47]

New beachhead here? - LOL
Do you have titles or links?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

New Beachhead? No, just proper understanding of scripture as relates to the manifestation of the Spirit, or gifts of the Spirit as they are commonly referred to.

Spiritual gifts: unconfusing them. 2 Parts

 

[David in NJ]

Good research point, thanks.
I couldn't remember what it was called. (should have Googled it - LOL)

I need to start a thread on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit to challenge this one.
What do the Acts of the Apostles tell us about the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit from the book of Acts
Why didn't the baptized believers in Samaria receive the Holy Spirit?
My question that was ignored on this thread.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

We can call the Baptism of the Holy Spirit 'BOSS' for short.

 

[David in NJ]

Good research point, thanks.
I couldn't remember what it was called. (should have Googled it - LOL)

I need to start a thread on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit to challenge this one.
What do the Acts of the Apostles tell us about the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit from the book of Acts
Why didn't the baptized believers in Samaria receive the Holy Spirit?
My question that was ignored on this thread.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

When you're Baptized in the Holy Spirit yo can say - "the BOSS is in the House"

 

[St. SteVen]

When you're Baptized in the Holy Spirit yo can say - "the BOSS is in the House"

Or even, "the BOSS is on the House" - LOL (the Spirit came on them... Acts 2:3)

 

[Jim B]

Good research point, thanks.
I couldn't remember what it was called. (should have Googled it - LOL)

I need to start a thread on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit to challenge this one.
What do the Acts of the Apostles tell us about the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit from the book of Acts
Why didn't the baptized believers in Samaria receive the Holy Spirit?
My question that was ignored on this thread.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

Baptism, i.e., water baptism, doesn't bring the Holy Spirit to anyone. It is a symbolic ritual statement of burying the old (sinful) person and returning "resurrected" as the new creation in Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

Baptism, i.e., water baptism, doesn't bring the Holy Spirit to anyone. It is a symbolic ritual statement of burying the old (sinful) person and returning "resurrected" as the new creation in Christ.

I agree completely.

And Acts 2:38 is one of the most misunderstood verses in the Bible. (one of...)
The baptism Peter was calling them to was as you stated above. Then, and only then,
were they eligible to receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit just as he said.
The GIFT (the promise) of the Holy Spirit. With visible evidence!
(see my new thread - link above)

Acts 2:38 NIV
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you,
in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[St. SteVen]

Baptism, i.e., water baptism, doesn't bring the Holy Spirit to anyone. It is a symbolic ritual statement of burying the old (sinful) person and returning "resurrected" as the new creation in Christ.

Right. I call it a religious ceremony. Defined as an outward sign of an inward reality.

 

[gpresdo]

Baptism, i.e., water baptism, doesn't bring the Holy Spirit to anyone. It is a symbolic ritual statement of burying the old (sinful) person and returning "resurrected" as the new creation in Christ.

Then you do not believe repentance is effective....which is also required.

 

[DJT_47]

Then you do not believe repentance is effective....which is also required.

Actually JimBeam is wrong and contrary to scripture. Baptism, on the contrary, IS the means by which we all get the Holy Ghost/Spirit

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[St. SteVen]

Baptism, on the contrary, IS the means by which we all get the Holy Ghost/Spirit

So, you are claiming that unbaptized believers do NOT have the Holy Spirit?
Do you actually have more than one flimsy "proof-text" to support that nonsense?

 

[DJT_47]

So, you are claiming that unbaptized believers do NOT have the Holy Spirit?
Do you actually have more than one flimsy "proof-text" to support that nonsense?

The "one flimsy proof-text" is enough since it comes from God's word, penned by one of his inspired writers. It's in plain English and crystal clear.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[St. SteVen]

The "one flimsy proof-text" is enough since it comes from God's word, penned by one of his inspired writers. It's in plain English and crystal clear.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What do you make of this?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? (2)

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[St. SteVen]

The "one flimsy proof-text" is enough since it comes from God's word, penned by one of his inspired writers. It's in plain English and crystal clear.

This contradicts your "proof-text". Now what?

John 7:39 NIV
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

 

[St. SteVen]

The "one flimsy proof-text" is enough since it comes from God's word, penned by one of his inspired writers. It's in plain English and crystal clear.

This contradicts your "proof-text". Now what?

Acts 8:15 NIV
When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit,

 

[St. SteVen]

The "one flimsy proof-text" is enough since it comes from God's word, penned by one of his inspired writers. It's in plain English and crystal clear.

This contradicts your "proof-text". Now what?

Ephesians 1:13 NIV
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,