Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

“If Jesus envisioned his disciples to sometimes kill each other, why didn’t he talk about it?”

Should Christians Kill Each Other?

I talked to a brother the other day who was a conscientious objector in the 1960’s. I asked him why he refused to do military service. “Because I don’t want to kill a Christian br…

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[Matthias]

“The war making tactics of the carnal person only perpetuate evil. They overcome weaker evil with stronger evil, and so evil is present and flourishing. The meek are those who have learned how to war with God’s armor and come away victorious and overcoming. This whole idea revolves around the command, ‘Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good’ (Rom. 12:21).”

(Chuck Jones, Living Today The Kingdom Way, p. 22)

Killing brothers and sisters of Jesus / killing Jesus in war (or out of war) isn’t the act of a meek person.

“Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.”

(Matthew 5:5)

Our inheritance as followers of Jesus is at stake.

 

[Wrangler]

Funny how the over-spiritualized just ignore these posts and the questions and implications they contain

Tax the bad. Subsidize the good.

I look forward to my prayers being answered in reading your honest answers to these questions tomorrow:

1. What are the reasons FOR the Crusades?
2. What is your primary objection to the Crusades?
3. If attending to soulful, worldly and fleshy needs is inherently sinful, why is the Sabbath only 1 day/week?
4. What are we supposed to do the other 6 days of the week if only one day is reserved exclusively for spiritual matters?
5. Why do you not accuse Christ of having in his heart to kill people but do accuse me?
6. Is following Jesus commands to buy a sword (with the intent to use it for its intended purpose) and give to government what is the government sinful?
7. If killing people is inherently sinful, why did God command us to do justice, which always included killing people? See God’s judgement throughout the OT and Christ at Rev 19.
8. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is murder prohibited in the 10C while killing is not prohibited?
9. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is it the first order of business upon Christ’s return?
10. If killing people is inherently sinful, why will Christ ultimately condemn many to death in The Lake of Fire on Judgment Day, aka The Second Death?

Thank you for your attention in these matters.

And then you will be an apologist for Christians warring, including the Battle of Tours 732 and the Crusades? LOL This question reveals you have not read or understood Scripture at all. Ever read my signature?

1. He trains my hands for war. 2 Samuel 22:35
   • Do you suppose this training has no practical application? That God trains us to do a thing only for us NOT to do that thing?
2. Ex 5:3 Yahweh is a man of war; Yahweh is his name.
3. We are made in Gods image. Ge 1:27
   • Just who do you suppose we - being made in God' image, a man of war - should war against, if not our brothers and sisters that live in another Nation?
4. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. 1 Samuel 15:3
   
   • I look forward to the over-spiritualized engaging in mental gymnastics and rationalizations on this one.
5. Conquest of Canaan. Joshua 1:1-6
6. And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’ “One suggested this, and another that. 1 Kings 22:20

Many do not grasp why Jesus is NOT called the king of peace. A prince is in the waiting, his power yet to be In full effect. Christ's ministry is to show us a better way that is yet to come, which explains why he said the Kingdom of God is near, i.e., not here yet. And also why his 2nd Coming will began by Jesus waging war and defeating his enemies. In the meantime, we war. Pay attention his story, history, our story is the story of war.

For the over-spiritualized, there is no practical purpose to buy a sword, feed the hungry, heal the sick, give to Caesar what is Caesar's (in terms of military service, i.e., be prepared to kill). There is no soul left in these folks. It's all about spiritual allusion. They deny the soulful aspects of Christianity, which guide our practical living, such as the reasons FOR the Crusades. The over-spiritualized just can't bring themselves to speak on that topic.

 

[Matthias]

Listen closely, followers of Jesus.

”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

”Men in form not in substance.”

”There is no soul left in these folks.”

Those aren’t the words of a follower of Jesus who refuses to kill the brothers and sisters of Jesus. Those are the fiery darts of the devil hurled at the followers of Jesus who refuse to kill the brothers and sisters of Jesus.

The response prescribed in scripture for the followers of Jesus is putting on the armor of God.

 

[Wrangler]

Those aren’t the words of a follower of Jesus who refuses to kill the brothers and sisters of Jesus.

Your words are not the words of one in touch of the practical side of life, where there is a need for the Crusades and other killing. To you, it's all kumbaya. Not realistic. Not soulful. Over-spiritualized.

Christ told us to buy a sword for a practical reason, to kill. It wasn't for some spiritual allusion, prophecy fulfilling command with no practical application. You just want to deny it.

 

[Wrangler]

The LORD requires you to do justice. Micah 6:8 Sometimes doing justice means killing. Either bring criminals to justice or bring justice to them.

These are the words of a follower of Jesus and it explains why he commanded us to buy a sword. He didn't command us to buy a pen and write a strongly worded letter to the local constabulary. Faith becomes real when your Lord to tells YOU to buy a sword, knowing it's not to collect dust but to use in the last full measure of devotion.

 

[Matthias]

Your words are not the words of one in touch of the practical side of life …

The teachings of Jesus and the apostles are seen as impractical by the world.

It’s not only impractical, it’s demonic, to teach that the bothers and sisters of the Messiah in one nation should kill the brothers and sisters of the Messiah in another nation.

, where there is a need for the Crusades and other killing.

You own the atrocities of war in general, and of the Crusaders in particular.

To you, it's all kumbaya. Not realistic. Not soulful. Over-spiritualized.

You’ve repeated the lie so often that it has become a useful tool in my hands.

 

[Matthias]

The LORD requires you to do justice. Micah 6:8

See my post on the passage.

Sometimes doing justice means killing. Either bring criminals to justice or bring justice to them.

These are the words of a follower of Jesus and it explains why he commanded us to buy a sword. He didn't command us to buy a pen and write a strongly worded letter to the local constabulary. Faith becomes real when your Lord to tells YOU to buy a sword, knowing it's not to collect dust but to use in the last full measure of devotion.

Read the history of the first four centuries of Christianity.

 

[Wrangler]

The teachings of Jesus and the apostles are seen as impractical by the world.

No. That's the over-spiritualized talking point!

I'm not talking about "seen as" impractical. I'm saying the Bible IS extraordinarily practical and the over-spiritualized pretend their is no practical application to the soulful needs of God's children, for justice, for instance.

 

[Wrangler]

It’s not only impractical, it’s demonic, to teach that the bothers and sisters of the Messiah in one nation should kill the brothers and sisters of the Messiah in another nation.

Strawman. Your pacifism does rationalize why Christians should violate Scripture and NOT do justice.

 

[Matthias]

No. That's the over-spiritualized talking point!

You’ve been overcome by the spirit if the world.

I'm not talking about "seen as" impractical. I'm saying the Bible IS extraordinarily practical and the over-spiritualized pretend their is no practical application to the soulful needs of God's children, for justice, for instance.

You advocate the brothers and sisters of the Messiah in one nation killing the brothers and sisters of the Messiah in another nation and call it practical. Think about that.

 

[Wrangler]

You own the atrocities of war in general, and of the Crusaders in particular.

Someone has to. The book of Job is informative. God does not apologize or squirm from the unfolding atrocities he was a part of. As one Pastor put it, some Christians try to take God off the hook. He is perfectly comfortable on the hook and can take it.


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

 

[Wrangler]

You’ve been overcome by the spirit if the world.

No! You and the over-spiritualized have been overcome by the spirit of the world. Made yourselves irrelevant. Jesus said to pluck out our eye if it causes us to do evil. That is soulful. He's not talking some spiritual allusion but bodily commitment. This sort of violence offends your delicate sensibilities.

 

[Matthias]

Strawman.

Your teaching isn’t a strawman.

Your pacifism …

See the example set by Jesus, the apostles, and the earliest Christians.

… does rationalize why Christians should violate Scripture and NOT do justice.

They didn’t violate Scripture and they suffered injustice.

 

[Matthias]

Someone has to.

The true followers of Jesus don’t own the atrocities of war. They don’t commit them and they stand against them.

The book of Job is informative. God does not apologize or squirm from the unfolding atrocities he was a part of. As one Pastor put it, some Christians try to take God off the hook. He is perfectly comfortable on the hook and can take it.


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

 

[Matthias]

A word to my readers. Find teachers who will instruct you not to commit atrocities.

Jesus of Nazareth did not teach his followers to go to the nations and commit atrocities. He commanded them to go to the nations and make disciples.

 

[Matthias]

“By this everyone will know you are my followers, …” (John 13:35)

… the atrocities you commit against one another.

That’s antiMessiah, readers.

I’d like to know how many members approve of @Wrangler’s teaching.

 

[Wrangler]

Your teaching isn’t a strawman.

No but your argument against Scripture principles in practice, like doing justice, buying a sword and using it IS a Strawman.

 

[Matthias]

Someone has to.

I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to read your posts and honestly walk away thinking that you don’t.

You‘re the incarnation of the spirit of atrocity. The only thing I want to know is who else here is or wants to be.

 

[Wrangler]

See the example set by Jesus

Agreed. Like him slaughtering all his enemies as the first order of business upon his return. Do I have that Scripture correct?