Armour of God
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Pillaging, plundering, etc. These weren't things that only the Crusaders did. It was part of warfare long before them and long after them
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Pillaging, plundering, etc. These weren't things that only the Crusaders did. It was part of warfare long before them and long after them
Wick Stick
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Wick Stick
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Agreed.
Every army that undertook a long-distance march did that. It's necessarily logistically. The soldiers can't physically carry enough food for a 2,000 mile march.
The Roman legions had rules about what they could and couldn't do with the locals. The Assyrians built siege ramparts out of the corpses of the locals. The Crusaders fell somewhere between the two.
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Armour of God
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My ancestors reclaimed the land that was taken by the evil Muslim invasion.
I'm proud of it and nothing you say will change that.
Evil manifests itself in many ways and Paul tells us to stand firm and defend against evil.
That's exactly what my ancestors did and I'm greatful to them for doing so.
Thanks.
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Jesus didn’t teach his disciples to pillage, plunder, etc. Neither did Paul. Both Jesus and Paul provide explicit instruction on how followers of Jesus are to live and respond to evil. The Crusaders are not an example of that teaching.
Armour of God
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Your just a Muslim sympathiser
Ephesians 6:10-13
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
VIVA OS CRUZADOS
No, I’m not a Muslim sympathizer.
Talk to me about the full armor of God.
My 20th great grandfather on my mother’s side of the family is depicted in the movie Braveheart.
I’ll leave it to my readers to guess, if they care to: A. William Wallace or B. King Edward II.
Am I proud of him? No.
Why? He didn’t obey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
He chose not to respond. That’s fine. I’ll respond as if he had posed the questions to me.
Based on Islamic history, no.
Based on Christian history, no.
This one requires caution and thoughtful consideration.
Based on the teachings of the prophets, the Messiah and the apostles, yes.
Yes.
Armour of God
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You are a Muslim sympathiser. You say nothing about them but keep criticising Christians.
But your a hypocrite as well.
You admitted that you would defend yourself and your family from attack but you don't want others to do so.
Take the log out of your eye.
Armour of God
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Is it William Wallace?
If everyone just let others attack and invade them then the world would be full of evil powers.
Do you think Britain was justified in going to war with Nazi Germany? If not then all of Europe would of fell to the Nazis and there would be no Jews left in Europe.
Do you think America was justified in going to war with Japan? If not then North America would of been invaded by the Japanese.
We are called to stand against evil forces and that's what has to be done.
A review of my posts in this thread (not to mention other threads) is all that one needs do to evaluate and dismiss your accusation.
Without taking up the weapons of the world against the attacker.
I would like for others to defend themselves and their families in the same way that I would defend myself and my family.
My advice to all and sundry: obey the instruction of Jesus and the apostles in all circumstances.
No.
Post in thread 'What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God'
What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
The world is full of evil powers.
I have stated in this thread that it is the God-given responsibility of governments to protect and defend their citizens.
I agree. Let the government do its work and the church do its work, without confusing the two.
He chose not to. That’s fine. This is a conversation, not an inquisition.
The full armor of God doesn’t include the weapons of the world.
The response I received to this post didn’t address the point that I made. I’m open to changing my mind about what I wrote if someone would point out to me where in scripture Jesus and Paul taught the followers of Jesus to pillage, plunder, etc. their enemies.
I pointed out in this thread the “other things” the Crusaders did. The atrocities they committed rivaled the atrocities committed by the Muslims. I sympathize neither with the Muslims nor with the Crusaders.
He chose not to respond to my question. Again, that’s fine. Let the story remain untold.
When someone breaks away from the religion of his or her ancestors, there’s always a reason that they do. No one does that without seeing something amiss with that religion. It can be something major, it can be something minor. It can be few things, it can be many things.
That was the case with me. That was the case with my wife. That has been the case with everyone I‘ve ever spoken with who decided not to follow the religion of their ancestors.
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