"Please read the OP before posting" is a wonderful general piece of advice.Tex said:
I am not talking about my church (which I do not have) ... I am talking in general.
Reasons why you are very unwise to trust your church’s doctrines
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I am not talking about my church (which I do not have) ... I am talking in general.
@Evangelist-7
I did read your post. You are telling other people that their church isn't really good enough. I'm saying that odds are, their church is fine. I'm not saying house churches are worse or traditional churches are better. Some of the world's largest cults started as house churches, and some of the worlds most traditional settings as equally godless.
My point is that faith is what matters. Meet in a faithful community, regardless of the setting.
I did read your post. You are telling other people that their church isn't really good enough. I'm saying that odds are, their church is fine. I'm not saying house churches are worse or traditional churches are better. Some of the world's largest cults started as house churches, and some of the worlds most traditional settings as equally godless.
My point is that faith is what matters. Meet in a faithful community, regardless of the setting.
It doesn't surprise me that you don't go to church, John, and it's frightening how accurately I've described your type in my last post. Instead of repenting from your rebellion, you're seeking recruits on this thread, those who will validate your self ostracization from the Christian church. I could point you to Hebrews 10:25, but I'm sure you have it worked out in your mind that you're not really shunning fellowship. And some day it will hit you like an epiphany, for God doesn't allow those he loves to linger forever in ignorance, that it isn't all these churches who have gone astray.evangelist-7 said:
It's you.
Sorry late as busy in two hospitals as slowed down now, and thank you for your response again!StanJ said:
Take another look at the the syllogism again in Lk.11:22, "conquers him." Our Lord rendered him innocuous, stripping him in his person of his cruel power, ie, vanquishing him even at Jesus' last tempation. No inexactness here. At the Cross, Satan in his person cast into hell (Rev.20:2, etc.)
Old Jack
Did I say all churches have gone astray? ... No, there are many good ones in the world.This Vale Of Tears said:
What I am saying is that all churches should be like God's original NT churches!
I.E. Men-run (instead of Spirit-led) churches are a complete travesty!
So, get into some kind of home-group (or whatever) where the Holy Spirit is welcomed to be in control.
That's all I am saying!
Understand now?
Ok, John. Since you haven't addressed the fact that you don't go to church, I'll assume you missed the whole point of my post.evangelist-7 said:
'Tis all a tad bit similar to being obedient to your governing authorities.This Vale Of Tears said:
If you discern that they are Satanically-inspired, are you going to blindly follow their lead?
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For everyone ...
It is an incredible shame that ...
Almost everyone has NO idea just how pathetic the Christian church is now in America!
This was emphatically emphasized again last night by several Spirit-filled BACs on internet radio.
The focus was on the leadership who are NOT properly preparing the sheep, but instead are just fleecing them!
This will be all too evident when the antichrist and his great tribulation arrives.
The sheep will NOT be prepared for this is any way, shape, or form!
And many will fall away from the faith because of it.
But odds are, they're not satanically inspired. Your discernment is likely inadequate. Do not treat your spiritual gifts to infallibility, even the apostles made poor judgment calls, and we both are certainly less than they.
Also, Christ was a man. Should the apostles have ignored Him? Because according to you, "Men-lead churches are a travesty!". Jesus will always be the leader of the church, and Jesus is a man. Finally, every "spirit-lead" church I've been to has been nothing more than an emotional blunder. People get all hyped up. The only spirit that leads that church is human ecstasy. Organized worship is often much more meaningful and powerful than "spirit-lead" because it goes beyond the emotion to the intellect.
Also, Christ was a man. Should the apostles have ignored Him? Because according to you, "Men-lead churches are a travesty!". Jesus will always be the leader of the church, and Jesus is a man. Finally, every "spirit-lead" church I've been to has been nothing more than an emotional blunder. People get all hyped up. The only spirit that leads that church is human ecstasy. Organized worship is often much more meaningful and powerful than "spirit-lead" because it goes beyond the emotion to the intellect.
Thank you for your response again!StanJ said:
Only a head's up. Hell = hades = Gehenna = Lake of fire (both Gehenna & the "Lake" are Jewish terms for where the body and soul are cast into hell at the final judgment). "Lake of fire" = Tartarus = Sheol depending on the context.
Old Jack that takes Mk.9:43-48 seriously.
Let's try to stick to the Greek Jack, as the NT was never written in Hebrew. Hell is where dead unbelievers are now. AFTER the great judgement, they will be thrown into the lake of fire, NOT back into hell/hades. Rev 20:14shturt678 said:
Is it my fault that you've never been to a Spirit-filled and Spirit-led church?Tex said:
I advise you to find one ... as there are a few here and there!
The intellect has absolutely nothing to do with the spiritual.
Proof: God can reveal spiritual truth to the least of us.
In fact, most believers are below average humans (1 Cor 1:26-29).
Say, John, what's the requirement to be a "spirit filled and spirit led church?" What hoops do we have to jump through? I'm sure that the senior pastor at my Catholic parish is completely unaware that he's been presiding over a church that falls short of this accolade and I want to get that list to him as soon as possible so we can get on track being a "spirit filled and spirit led church." Also, is there an inspector that verifies that we've made changes sufficient to be a "spirit filled and spirit led church", and more importantly, can he be bribed?evangelist-7 said:
Come on Stan...lightin up............you are gettin out of the herd.....its ok buddy....you can laugh once in awhile its ok.StanJ said:
Jesus loves you more than you know.
I have no problem with being funny or laughing Randor. I have a problem with self righteous people.RANDOR said:
RANDOR knows better than to laugh at this ...This Vale Of Tears said:
unless he knows that you are way beyond able to understand what I am referring to!
He could have said:
The church was (and is today) supposed to be a total replica/duplicate of the NT church! ... Hello!
But, then he would have been mimicking me!
Razbeerishlee? ... Bulgarian for: Dost thou understandeth what I am saying?
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